Red Army 75 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 This topic constantly pops up maybe it needs its own thread. But just watching sky sports news revisit the weekends decisions with an ex premiership referee. Decisions are getting more confusing. How was the Man City penalty not given and the Spurs one yesterday. The ex premiership referee seemed confused himself with the ruling. Has it got to the stage where referees will not give a decision and let VAR sort it . VAR clear and obvious not for me . It’s confusing the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Didn’t think ether were pens yesterday so thought the ref and var both right for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Didn’t think ether were pens yesterday so thought the ref and var both right for a change Surely the Man City one was a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Surely the Man City one was a penalty Well, the ball was hitting Stokes' leg stump, but the Aussies had burned their review. We are talking about the same thing, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Well, the ball was hitting Stokes' leg stump, but the Aussies had burned their review. We are talking about the same thing, right? Sorry mate don’t get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Surely the Man City one was a penalty 100% a penalty. What made me laugh was later on in the game a similar incident happened but outside the box and it was a free kick! That pisses me off as a foul is a foul no matter where it is on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 On the spurs one, think it was souness said no penalty but was then asked what Kane would have done if Lascells hadn't taken him down, 'he'd have got a shot away', so why isn't it a penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Sorry mate don’t get that Neither did the Aussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: This topic constantly pops up maybe it needs its own thread. But just watching sky sports news revisit the weekends decisions with an ex premiership referee. Decisions are getting more confusing. How was the Man City penalty not given and the Spurs one yesterday. The ex premiership referee seemed confused himself with the ruling. Has it got to the stage where referees will not give a decision and let VAR sort it . VAR clear and obvious not for me . It’s confusing the game VAR is dreadful, it's killing the excitement of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Andy082005 said: VAR is dreadful, it's killing the excitement of the game Totally agree. Rather a referee made a mistake than being referred to VAR and still get the wrong decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Neil Swarbrick explains the position on penalties as follows: “The ref will make the decision,” Swarbrick says. “He will explain why he’s given a penalty or not. He’ll put the meat on the bones for the VAR so then when the VAR looks it, if what the referee is saying is replicated on the screen then it doesn’t matter what the VAR’s opinion is – whether he thinks its a penalty or not is irrelevant. So if everything matches up, then the referee’s opinion sticks.” https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/aug/24/inside-the-var-bunker-a-test-for-my-irrational-suspicion-of-referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Totally agree. Rather a referee made a mistake than being referred to VAR and still get the wrong decisions. It should be used as an aid. The Man City disallowed late equaliser vs Spurs for example No Spurs player claimed a handball. VAR shouldn't have got involved It's getting to the point where you can't celebrate a goal now as it may get disallowed If getting a few key decisions wrong is the cost of keeping the game exciting, then so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangle Foot Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 It was suggested - I think on 606 last night - that the VAR ref was less experienced than the ref (Mike Dean), in the Spurs vs N’castle match. So he chose not to overrule him. I’m not sure I buy this, but thought I’d put it out there. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 What I don't understand is both Man City and Spurs had penalty shouts turned down because they wasn't clear and obvious errors. Yet the Laporte Handball against Spurs was a clear and obvious error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 In my opinion VAR should not make contact with the referee. I think the ref should be in full control and if there is something that the ref is not sure about, he can call on VAR to help him. If the ref misses something I think it should stay missed. If its an incident that would involve a carding then retrospective action can still be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quedgeley Exile Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 You have to blame the tv pundits for VAR. If they never scrutinised, every decision the ref, and linesman made, to see if they hot it right, it would not have been brought in. Now the pundits are are doing the same with VAR. Trying to justify there existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, Up The City! said: What I don't understand is both Man City and Spurs had penalty shouts turned down because they wasn't clear and obvious errors. Yet the Laporte Handball against Spurs was a clear and obvious error? That decision was baffling. Rule it out for handball, but if it was a Spurs player who done exactly the same it wouldn't have been a foul the other way. I get the offside part of the game and fouls that are missed but if they are not overruling refs when they are wrong decisions in the first place then what is the point? If Man City would have been given that penalty yesterday then VAR would have ruled it not to be a penalty on review? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 I`d love to know what refs actually think about it generally - not what they have to come out with for the cameras but what they really think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 I believe the Man City pen was reviewed by VAR but because the ref didnt give it VAR sided with that decision as it (allegedly) wasn't a clear and obvious error. I think they are trying to back the ref's by only over ruling their original decision in exceptional circumstances. Had the ref given it I am sure VAR would have supported him for the same reason (it wasn't a clear and obvious error). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Basically they're sticking with the referee's on-field call unless there's a case where he's clearly wrong (ie, gives a penalty when there's absolutely no contact etc). They've said that their aim is to try not to interfere when it comes to subjective calls, which is why even though some of the probably could've been penalties, they chose not to overrule. Only thing VAR is really doing is the black and white of offsides or if there's been a handball in the build up to the goal. They've used it almost perfectly so far this season, and yet people still want to moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Roe said: Basically they're sticking with the referee's on-field call unless there's a case where he's clearly wrong (ie, gives a penalty when there's absolutely no contact etc). They've said that their aim is to try not to interfere when it comes to subjective calls, which is why even though some of the probably could've been penalties, they chose not to overrule. Only thing VAR is really doing is the black and white of offsides or if there's been a handball in the build up to the goal. They've used it almost perfectly so far this season, and yet people still want to moan. And the loudest voices are from those who were calling for its introduction the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Andy082005 said: It should be used as an aid. The Man City disallowed late equaliser vs Spurs for example No Spurs player claimed a handball. VAR shouldn't have got involved It's getting to the point where you can't celebrate a goal now as it may get disallowed If getting a few key decisions wrong is the cost of keeping the game exciting, then so be it It has taken the lifeblood, the immediacy out of the game! Pre VAR at least you knew within a second or two if the goal was struck off........you didn't have to stand around like spare pricks at a wedding until the judiciary put down their cup of tea and find their glasses to make a ruling . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Cracker today against Villa. Grealish bursts in to the box. Is brought down, ball runs to Villa player who puts it in. Ref has already just blown for a Grealish dive. VAR shows there was contact and to me appears a pretty clear penalty. However, because the decision is not laughably tragic, the ref is supported, no goal, no pen, yellow stands. On the one hand, I would be spitting if it was my side. Not going to lie, it’s Villa, so I just laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyhutchscurlymullet Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, cityexile said: Cracker today against Villa. Grealish bursts in to the box. Is brought down, ball runs to Villa player who puts it in. Ref has already just blown for a Grealish dive. VAR shows there was contact and to me appears a pretty clear penalty. However, because the decision is not laughably tragic, the ref is supported, no goal, no pen, yellow stands. On the one hand, I would be spitting if it was my side. Not going to lie, it’s Villa, so I just laughed. Kevin friend, city fan, the referee. Revenge for the atrocious referee display against us last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 City fan or not, you have to say that Kevin Friend is definitely one of the worst "top" refs in the country. And this isn't not going to change many people's opinions either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said: City fan or not, you have to say that Kevin Friend is definitely one of the worst "top" refs in the country. And this isn't not going to change many people's opinions either. Yep. Watched it again and this is on him not VAR. He blows the whistle before the play is finished, so VAR could never give the goal. Could have given a penalty I suppose but it’s not clear and obvious. Just a really bad call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 You have to hand it to the Premier League really. To take a system that is already fatally flawed and make it even worse when you implement it takes a special level of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Grealish was not happy at the end and understandably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCFC Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 26/08/2019 at 11:54, Red Army 75 said: Surely the Man City one was a penalty Was right in front of me, as blatant a penalty as can be. VAR is a joke. All we have seen happen, is those in front of the screens, being scared to say their mate got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 31/08/2019 at 17:24, cityexile said: Cracker today against Villa. Grealish bursts in to the box. Is brought down, ball runs to Villa player who puts it in. Ref has already just blown for a Grealish dive. VAR shows there was contact and to me appears a pretty clear penalty. However, because the decision is not laughably tragic, the ref is supported, no goal, no pen, yellow stands. On the one hand, I would be spitting if it was my side. Not going to lie, it’s Villa, so I just laughed. Not sure if it was for ‘a dive’ but if so, Grealish’s endless amount of times of hitting the deck for very little reason has caught up with him! Personally, I thought he’d been done for throwing himself at Cahill & fouling him, either way, as you said, it’s Villa so not upset with decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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