54-46 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 There's also some shit there... lampshades, aprons, dart flights, mirrors, rosettes. Can't imagine them being big money makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54-46 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, TBW said: There's also some shit there... lampshades, aprons, dart flights, mirrors, rosettes. Can't imagine them being big money makers. I’d love to deck my whole house out in BCFC gear Cook my tea in my apron, wash it down with a cuppa out my mug. Then down the pub for a game of arrows using my BCFC flights, back home to brush my teeth using my BCFC mirror then slip into my BCFC PJs and get into bed with BCFC bedside lampshade reading the massively reduced History of Bristol City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 50p for a cap, 25p for darts flights... Replica shirt for a tenner.... Sports retail... hardest game in the world. #FastShow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, 54-46 said: I’d love to deck my whole house out in BCFC gear Cook my tea in my apron, wash it down with a cuppa out my mug. Then down the pub for a game of arrows using my BCFC flights, back home to brush my teeth using my BCFC mirror then slip into my BCFC PJs and get into bed with BCFC bedside lampshade reading the massively reduced History of Bristol City You forgot use the bathroom before bedtime remembering to use your Bristol Rovers toilet paper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I wonder at what point they changed the pyjamas to rosettes, and more importantly, did anyone complain? You can just imagine the scenes on here if it happened now! #mischief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudyThatchers Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I like it the official club shop is selling unofficial badges! Who would sell the official badges then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Whatever happened to the silk scarf only £1.20. Lettering guaranteed to disappear before the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, CHIPLEY RED said: Whatever happened to the silk scarf only £1.20. Lettering guaranteed to disappear before the end of the season. Season? During the rain you were lucky it lasted till the end of the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Love seeing old stuff like that OP. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I'm old enough that I should know the answer to this but why does everything have a postage price? Did people call up and order or send a form? If it was in the programme surely the supporter was at the ground and could just call in the shop and buy? I've no idea why I'm asking questions about this. But equally not sure I can sleep without the answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, 54-46 said: ... back home to brush my teeth using my BCFC mirror Not sure who taught you to brush your teeth but with a mirror sounds dangerous. Try using a brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Our shop maybe more upmarket now, from that builders hut with windows, but you got the human touch there and a warm welcome. Going down there getting the programe from the saturday away game on a monday i always liked as a kid. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I used to absolutely love that shop as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, 54-46 said: I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day Are you saying, nostalgia isn't nostalgic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, 54-46 said: I’d love to deck my whole house out in BCFC gear Cook my tea in my apron, wash it down with a cuppa out my mug. Then down the pub for a game of arrows using my BCFC flights, back home to brush my teeth using my BCFC mirror then slip into my BCFC PJs and get into bed with BCFC bedside lampshade reading the massively reduced History of Bristol City Reminds me of this classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Last week, myself and the boy went “groundhopping” round London and visited five grounds in the day. We went in the various club shops and by god, some tat is available: - In Fulham’s club shop you can get a Scott Parker bobble head - about a foot tall - In Spurs shop they sell Tottenham bra and panties sets, embossed with the cockerel logo (although disappointingly “To Dare is to do” is not across the gusset) - Loftus Road. You can buy a QPR HGV truck. Just bizarre. - Spurs also sell half and half scarves... What were the more impressive items were in Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. All had reasonable “retro” ranges, some score draw stuff but some not, example of Chelsea had commodore shirts (from the Robbie Turner game!) and 60’s/70’s kit. What was also done, which I think could be done here was a scale puzzle of the ground for £25-£30. Example below of the Emirates. Now Ashton has a fairly unique and recognisable look, could be a seller? (I’d also love to see a version of the Memorial Ground for sh!ts and giggles...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Used to love the City Shop back in those days. IIRC it was always open on a Sunday in the 80s when they had the market in the car park behind the Williams. You'd have boxes of old programs on the counter at something like 3 for 20p. Most were old City 1st Div ones but there were older ones and other teams. I used to have quite a collection of randoms. I also STILL have BCFC Dart Flights, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The auotgraph book i still got somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: - In Spurs shop they sell Tottenham bra and panties sets, embossed with the cockerel logo Spurs fans will do anything to get their hands on a couple of cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, CHIPLEY RED said: Whatever happened to the silk scarf only £1.20. Lettering guaranteed to disappear before the end of the season. 10 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Season? During the rain you were lucky it lasted till the end of the game! That's not 100% correct and the later ones were slightly better. 1 hour ago, Unan said: Are you saying, nostalgia isn't nostalgic? Well, it's not what it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Dung Spreader Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 11 hours ago, TBW said: There's also some shit there... lampshades, aprons, dart flights, mirrors, rosettes. Can't imagine them being big money makers. BCFC dart flights s***? Sacrilege. I loved the 80s: football training / darts matches mid week and playing footy / watching City at the weekends. I had hardly any money and only purchased essentials - remember receiving my first wage packet and delightfully going to the shop, where I decadently bought City darts flights. I was really proud to use them in my local - where they were admired. The items described as s*** would not have appeared as such to many people back in the day. Conspicuous consumption was less common in the 80s - different times. Loved my flights so much that I've still got them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcshorey Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Couldn't buy a Bristol City embossed suitcase by in those days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, bcfcshorey said: Couldn't buy a Bristol City embossed suitcase by in those days! That was my old mans business idea back in the 80s (not embossed), but nobody took him up on it. There were no clubs in the country with them back then, think that could’ve made any investor a very rich person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Bristol city football was a £10 Still is a £10 ish What inflation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Champion Dung Spreader said: BCFC dart flights s***? Sacrilege. I loved the 80s: football training / darts matches mid week and playing footy / watching City at the weekends. I had hardly any money and only purchased essentials - remember receiving my first wage packet and delightfully going to the shop, where I decadently bought City darts flights. I was really proud to use them in my local - where they were admired. The items described as s*** would not have appeared as such to many people back in the day. Conspicuous consumption was less common in the 80s - different times. Loved my flights so much that I've still got them. I also had the dart flights, but the white version. Wouldn't say they were s***, they were well made, but I found them too thick and heavy and never got on with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, bengalcub said: Bristol city football was a £10 Still is a £10 ish What inflation ? Think you'll find that the £10 is for Bristol City Football Shirts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: Think you'll find that the £10 is for Bristol City Football Shirts Yes ! and reading glasses only 70p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Was that the portacabin behind the Williams Stand? I remember they sold a whole load of old programs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miser Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Still got my "I'm a little Robin" babies bib. Fastest selling range ever - sold out before kick-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 13 hours ago, TBW said: There's also some shit there... lampshades, aprons, dart flights, mirrors, rosettes. Can't imagine them being big money makers. I played for a pub darts team at that time. Always extra needle playing against a Rovers fan and added satisfaction to beat him using my City dart flights. Remember one was so annoyed to lose to a City supporter he went straight outside the pub and booted his own motorbike! Still got the flights, although like my old tungstens they haven't seen the light of day for many years. Everything was about BCFC in those days and the more ways you could show your colours the better - I wore a bright red City belt out and about for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesM Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Still remember going down with my dad to get my first city tracksuit. It was a black, white and red bukta effort. Its still my favourite bit of city clothing after all these years. I can’t find an image of it online but it was quite distinctive. Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, WesM said: Still remember going down with my dad to get my first city tracksuit. It was a black, white and red bukta effort. Its still my favourite bit of city clothing after all these years. I can’t find an image of it online but it was quite distinctive. Loved it. The shellsuit ? They were nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I wore a bright red City belt out and about for years On it's own? That must've been quite the sight! Bit like a BCFC Stan the Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: The shellsuit ? They were nice Weirdly enough they only sold the tops, not the bottoms. At least they did when I got mine, I just got some plain black similar bottoms from elsewhere. I cringe now, but everyone had at least one shellsuit back in the day. I still got it somewhere, will never wear it again but couldn’t bare to throw it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Xiled said: I'm old enough that I should know the answer to this but why does everything have a postage price? Did people call up and order or send a form? If it was in the programme surely the supporter was at the ground and could just call in the shop and buy? I've no idea why I'm asking questions about this. But equally not sure I can sleep without the answers. There was often a big queue to get in. One in one out. Maybe postage was for those who didn't have the time to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: On it's own? That must've been quite the sight! Bit like a BCFC Stan the Man That’s a blast from the past! Is he still around??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 17 hours ago, 54-46 said: I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day Beryl so beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, Mendip City said: That’s a blast from the past! Is he still around??? God I very much doubt it - he was getting on a bit in the 80s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: God I very much doubt it - he was getting on a bit in the 80s! I dunno I’d like to think he was roller skating around in his hot pants aged 95! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mendip City said: I dunno I’d like to think he was roller skating around in his hot pants aged 95! That would be a sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 hours ago, redcityman said: You forgot use the bathroom before bedtime remembering to use your Bristol Rovers toilet paper! I still don't know why the club shop doesn't sell Blue & White quartered toilet paper. By omitting their badge, no Royalties to pay either. I agree with 5 hours ago, Wanderingred said: Was that the portacabin behind the Williams Stand? I remember they sold a whole load of old programs too. 8 hours ago, CyderInACan said: Used to love the City Shop back in those days. IIRC it was always open on a Sunday in the 80s when they had the market in the car park behind the Williams. You'd have boxes of old programs on the counter at something like 3 for 20p. Most were old City 1st Div ones but there were older ones and other teams. I used to have quite a collection of randoms. I also STILL have BCFC Dart Flights, thank you very much. I miss the cardboard box on the counter which contained programme from previous seasons of many clubs. Gillingham v Sarfend, Liverpool v Arsenal or Arbroath v Albion? "Got one 'ere somewhere mate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, CyderInACan said: On it's own? That must've been quite the sight! Bit like a BCFC Stan the Man Not just a City belt, a denim jacket with BCFC badges and a silk scarf tied round each wrist too. My long hair covered the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CyderInACan said: God I very much doubt it - he was getting on a bit in the 80s! He was mentioned on one of the local Bristol FB groups recently and it seems he's long gone unfortunately. Not sure he was that old judging from some of the replies - think he was so well tanned/weather beaten he may have appeared older than he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Here he is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 19 hours ago, 54-46 said: I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day Even accounting for inflation, the SIXTY QUID I was quoted for postage of my City shirt last season (that’s postage alone, not inclusive of the purchased item) is a far cry from 16p. I had it sent to a UK address and wired the kind soul the actual £8 it cost to post instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Park Reds Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 stan The man from Hungerford Rd in briz- he was always skating about when I was young. As for the shop and super Beryl well not for me.She wouldn’t let me buy a ticket for the train to Plymouth back in 85 because I wasn’t 16 .Fortunately my mate Nigel who was 14-15 as well but looked older than me got me one and we went to the Rising Sun for a 2 pints of Hofmeister.we slagged her right off. And as for the special train to Plymouth!!!! I’m still awaiting for the compensation from trainline Those were the days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Last week, myself and the boy went “groundhopping” round London and visited five grounds in the day. We went in the various club shops and by god, some tat is available: - In Fulham’s club shop you can get a Scott Parker bobble head - about a foot tall - In Spurs shop they sell Tottenham bra and panties sets, embossed with the cockerel logo (although disappointingly “To Dare is to do” is not across the gusset) - Loftus Road. You can buy a QPR HGV truck. Just bizarre. - Spurs also sell half and half scarves... What were the more impressive items were in Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. All had reasonable “retro” ranges, some score draw stuff but some not, example of Chelsea had commodore shirts (from the Robbie Turner game!) and 60’s/70’s kit. What was also done, which I think could be done here was a scale puzzle of the ground for £25-£30. Example below of the Emirates. Now Ashton has a fairly unique and recognisable look, could be a seller? (I’d also love to see a version of the Memorial Ground for sh!ts and giggles...) They would give you a box of matches and some skidmarked undercrackers...do your best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 hours ago, 54-46 said: I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day I remember going into the shop/portacabin and it was rammed every time you just had to go with the flow, I used to buy photos of the players and got my very first scarf! Remember seeing the Hirerite striped shirt and really wanting one but my Dad never taking the hint! Different times, although the new shop isn’t much bigger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 This mug came from the shop in the 80,s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, sticks 1969 said: This mug came from the shop in the 80,s Wow! A robin on a football with the Suspension Bridge in the background. There's an idea the next time City decide to have a new badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 £10 for a City shirt was a mental price back then. I started work in 79 and my first monthly wage was £180. Makes today's shirt prices seem really cheap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesM Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: The shellsuit ? They were nice 9 hours ago, RedM said: Weirdly enough they only sold the tops, not the bottoms. At least they did when I got mine. Yeah the shell suit. It was well smart. They did do the matching bottoms, I had the full suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS15_RED Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 04/09/2019 at 21:24, 54-46 said: I know nostalgia isn’t what it used to be but I was looking through some old programmes the other day and noticed the quality items you could buy off the lovely smiling Beryl back in the day One Easter Holidays, I was 11 I think, I remember getting my Dad to take me down to that old shop so I could spend the money I’d had in lieu of Easter Eggs. Even though it was 10 years after this photo was taken, it brings back memories, to 11 year old me, with £20, it seemed like an Aladdin’s Cave! I wonder if the kids go in the new shop and feel the same? Or, has the world changed too much in the last 25 years or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: The shellsuit ? They were nice Haha I had one of those. I've never been so scared of a naked flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Here he is: As a kid I remember him skating around West Torn Lane school. Seemed strangely normal back then...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 In the 70s there was also a display of City products , if not a shop? In Broadwalk Shopping Centre IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make a Sub Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I can remember when I was a kid looking down into the glass cabinets and nagging my old man for pin badges etc went into the club shop today and must admit it’s a lot better but the quality of the stuff on sell is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Bugging yer mother to sew your latest purchase onto your denim jacket ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 05/09/2019 at 23:57, Mendip City said: As a kid I remember him skating around West Torn Lane school. Seemed strangely normal back then...... He used to drink in the Hollybush in Briz. Leopard skin leggings was his choice of evening wear . A real character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Southstandoriginal said: He used to drink in the Hollybush in Briz. Leopard skin leggings was his choice of evening wear . A real character! Pretty sure he was called Stan. He was always skating along West Town Lane / Hungerford Road area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 21 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: In the 70s there was also a display of City products , if not a shop? In Broadwalk Shopping Centre IIRC I think it started out as a shop and later became more of a display (until the lease ran out ?). Located In the far corner next to Macfisheries Supermarket. Opened sometime after the '76 promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Stan used to make the till girls in fine fare on north street swoon. I think he used to do shopping for old folks back in the day. Stan should have been gracing south beach miami with his atire and skating skills. Proper legend was always helping others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Stan used to make the till girls in fine fare on north street swoon. I think he used to do shopping for old folks back in the day. Stan should have been gracing south beach miami with his atire and skating skills. Proper legend was always helping others. https://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/44269731725 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Blimey i remember the jilted bride too. She used to put the willies up me. Cyder my mates ex neighbour gone done for stalking ken dodd. You met a better class of person around bemmy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Blimey i remember the jilted bride too. She used to put the willies up me. Cyder my mates ex neighbour gone done for stalking ken dodd. You met a better class of person around bemmy then. I wonder how the new breed of BS3 inhabitants would view all these old characters!? Click on the pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: I wonder how the new breed of BS3 inhabitants would view all these old characters!? Click on the pic Ah the Firkin chain - a much better version of today’s Wetherspoons. Ruined by Punch buying them then flogging a load off to Bass Leisure as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 it is amusing that our club shop back then is still better than the shop Rovers have got in the modern day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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