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19 minutes ago, petehinton said:

More offside than Weimann was away at Villa

As was discussed on here at the time, Assombalonga was in an offside position but not gaining an advantage as per Law 11.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

My recollection is that we had a letter from PGMOL to the effect that Weimann's goal should not have been disallowed and that Villa should not have been awarded a penalty.

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3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

As was discussed on here at the time, Assombalonga was in an offside position but not gaining an advantage as per Law 11.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

My recollection is that we had a letter from PGMOL to the effect that Weimann's goal should not have been disallowed and that Villa should not have been awarded a penalty.

Robbed on two counts in that April game then!

My interpretation at the time and possibly even still now, was that Weimann goal quite marginal so some you get, some you don't - error within standard ranges if you like. Interesting to hear it was definitely wrong however.

Penalty though was shocking! At 0-0, given our counterattacking style away from home, it opened up the game and that blunder had a major impact on us! 

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17 hours ago, weepywall said:

Not sure that LJ is working on a shoestring budget to be honest, glad we have wound them up though ??

The inability of our fans to praise or allow praise of our manager astounds me. 

As Danny Cowley had it right after the Huddersfield game. LJ is the only top top level talent we have here. 

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9 minutes ago, J-mat said:

The inability of our fans to praise or allow praise of our manager astounds me. 

As Danny Cowley had it right after the Huddersfield game. LJ is the only top top level talent we have here. 

I'm a fan of LJ and think he is doing a good job, I just pointed out he is hardly working on a shoestring  budget, not the biggest spenders or wage payers in this league but not the lowest either.

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3 minutes ago, weepywall said:

I'm a fan of LJ and think he is doing a good job, I just pointed out he is hardly working on a shoestring  budget, not the biggest spenders or wage payers in this league but not the lowest either.

It was a Fulham fan who referred to a shoestring budget. I imagine their point was that our budget is a lot less than theirs and in that respect LJ is doing a better job than Parker.

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11 minutes ago, weepywall said:

I'm a fan of LJ and think he is doing a good job, I just pointed out he is hardly working on a shoestring  budget, not the biggest spenders or wage payers in this league but not the lowest either.

More of a general point than aimed directly at you. There's a common theme within the fanbase and has been for years. 

Facts are, most clubs in this division would take our manager off our hands on a heartbeat. He's absolutely class and when he moves on, we will be poorer for it. 

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12 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

They have a really outdated forum with a handful of members creating not a lot of threads, surprised at that.

 

Most of us remember they were an average 2nd to 3rd division side (historically like ourselves) for many years before AlFayed pumped the dosh in. 

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12 minutes ago, TomF said:

Most of us remember they were an average 2nd to 3rd division side (historically like ourselves) for many years before AlFayed pumped the dosh in. 

True.

But they did once have George Best, Rodney Marsh, Alan Mullery, and Bobby Moore play for them in the mid-late 70s. 

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9 minutes ago, TomF said:

Most of us remember they were an average 2nd to 3rd division side (historically like ourselves) for many years before AlFayed pumped the dosh in. 

Just reading Micky Adams biography , got to the time he was at Fulham, I'd forgotten how shite they were .
Just seen that when Adams got them promoted in 2nd place, they missed out on the Championship as (thanks to their own Chairman Jimmy Hill) goals scored replaced goal difference (thanks Wiki).

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20 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

True.

But they did once have George Best, Rodney Marsh, Alan Mullery, and Bobby Moore play for them in the mid-late 70s. 

I remember watching those guys at the Dell where Best got sent off..........We were so close to the action that we heard the exchange between Best and the referee..................:rofl2br:

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3 hours ago, Olé said:

Did anyone else enjoy the posh student in a gilet right alongside the away section losing his **** and storming out with 5 minutes left, offering out City fans as he went. Weird how passionate he was for someone with a ticket amongst the plastics in the overflow section.

He is good on Countdown though. 

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29 minutes ago, Olé said:

They don't like it up 'em.

I think it was the penalty decision that set them off (it looked stone wall to me at first, not so sure after viewing it a few times from other angles) and maybe our general high level shithousery towards the end (take a bow Messrs. Hunt, Diedhiou, and Bentley). But they do seem to have a sense of entitlement - we were obviously supposed to turn up and show them a bit of respect whilst applauding their brilliance and inevitable win - same for the referee apparently.

Tin pot on a par with the Pikeys up the road.

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1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

True.

But they did once have George Best, Rodney Marsh, Alan Mullery, and Bobby Moore play for them in the mid-late 70s. 

One season, 76/77. They finished 17th, two places below Few Rovers, scoring one more goal than Smashie and Grabbie and co. Utterly hopeless comedy pantomime/"showbiz" football. Best tackling his team mate Marsh being a standout moment; if you like that sort of thing.

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1 hour ago, Olé said:

EMBARRASSED FOR THEM 61 people have signed it! LMFAO!

I thought he had a very good game personally! They are just fed up because they lost to us at home AGAIN!

For the pen i kept replaying it and Odowda seem not to make any attempt to do anything and the forward hit his leg after changing his direction slightly. The guy tried to buy the penalty but the ref wasn’t sold end of...Mind you if that had been Weimann going down I would have said stone cold penalty...?

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40 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

I might sign it as he didn't hand out enough yellows to them or send any of their players off.

Agreed.

That Knockeart (whatever) was luck to have just the one yellow. He was at it all the game.

He twice lashed out in a punching motion, both times at Eliasson including an attempted kick at him as well.

Cairney was lucky to just get one yellow in the penalty incident where he got booked then gave the ref another mouthful as he walked away - should have got another yellow. 

They don't like it up 'em.

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I bet Simpson was nowhere near as hopeless Trevor Kettle.........:facepalm:

He’s the worst ref I can remember seeing at AG - twice! and crap both times.

:shocking:.......I just found him on the FIFA list of international referees.........jeez..........

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12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

He twice lashed out in a punching motion, both times at Eliasson including an attempted kick at him as well.

I think he did actually connect and kick him, was reckless and even though he did get booked for it a few refs would have gave him a red I reckon (even though I do think a red for that would be harsh). Any footballers love playing against players like that (mitrovic the same) as he is a liability. On the home game just go straight for him and wind him right up imo from the kick off.

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17 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tbh wooden rattles old school football,  think 1950s maybe. From a certain era though.

These seem to be clappers! Worse,  much worse!!

The original rattles were those used by the Home Guard to make people aware of danger in bombing raids in WW2.

They were very heavy and made a helluva noise. Then much lighter ones although made of wood were sold in sports shops. It hurt if one caught you and really were quite lethal. Disappeared around early sixties as far as I can remember.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

I bet Simpson was nowhere near as hopeless Trevor Kettle.........:facepalm:

He’s the worst ref I can remember seeing at AG - twice! and crap both times.

:shocking:.......I just found him on the FIFA list of international referees.........jeez..........

Made you boiling mad did he?

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https://cottagersconfidential.sbnation.com/2019/12/8/21001287/cottage-talk-post-match-show-fulham-vs-bristol-city

listened to this. 
 

all the Fulham fans said City outplayed them. 
 

one guy says not a pen one says they are normally given another says there was contact so therefore a pen....Football is still a contact sport right?....if contact was automatically a foul WBA would finish the game with four men every week

anyway regardless they are complimentary about us  

oh and the referee was a ***. I thought he was decent, but hey ho!

 

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On 07/12/2019 at 23:16, robin_unreliant said:

COD put his hands up but seemed to catch the back of the bloke's legs with his boots. Although  it looked a nailed on pen to me from the TV pictures the ref had a much better view. Maybe he got it right?

Suppose the penalty had been given, there's a good chance Bents would have saved it given the form he's in at present

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15 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

The original rattles were those used by the Home Guard to make people aware of danger in bombing raids in WW2.

They were very heavy and made a helluva noise. Then much lighter ones although made of wood were sold in sports shops. It hurt if one caught you and really were quite lethal. Disappeared around early sixties as far as I can remember.

Actually in WWI, to warn of poison gas attack in the trenches, and used before that by the police instead of a whistle

I happened to look them up on Wikipedia yesterday

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19 hours ago, Robbored said:

I bet Simpson was nowhere near as hopeless Trevor Kettle.........:facepalm:

He’s the worst ref I can remember seeing at AG - twice! and crap both times.

:shocking:.......I just found him on the FIFA list of international referees.........jeez..........

Kettle is bad, granted, but come on RR.....  You're old enough...you must remember Lester Shapter, Vic Callow and Gurnam Singh, surely?!?  Compared to those three he's bloody amazing!

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16 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

Kettle is bad, granted, but come on RR.....  You're old enough...you must remember Lester Shapter, Vic Callow and Gurnam Singh, surely?!?  Compared to those three he's bloody amazing!

Now that you mention them........ :facepalm: I guess time diminishes the memory over time.

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1 minute ago, bcfc01 said:

6 yellows for Fulham - they'll be up before the beak for that.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they get done for their players surrounding the referee after the penalty incident.

 

What was shocking was that the ref lost control of the match though Fulham’s misbehaviour .

Their manhandling of Famaral could have caused injuries to him or themselves.

There was also the Hunt incident ( :laughcont: ) as he strolled off .

Fulham should be charged for failure to control their players.

 

12 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I don't know why Hunt was booked when it was the Fulham player who started the fracas by shoving him off the pitch. 

Timewasting perhaps ? 

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29 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

6 yellows for Fulham - they'll be up before the beak for that.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they get done for their players surrounding the referee after the penalty incident.

How did Cairney stay on the pitch after he was booked. I don't know what he "screamed" at the referee, but it shouldn't matter what words were used, that action should have been enough. The referee looks like he is considering it here.

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17 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

What was shocking was that the ref lost control of the match though Fulham’s misbehaviour .

Their manhandling of Famaral could have caused injuries to him or themselves.

There was also the Hunt incident ( :laughcont: ) as he strolled off .

Fulham should be charged for failure to control their players.

 

Timewasting perhaps ? 

possibly but the Fulham players were aggressive and showing dissent :punish:

He wasn't even that slow in walking off, the Fulham players ended up wasting more time by getting arsey :pacifier:

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I didn't think it was a penalty; What I find interesting is the comments made by Cairney, their captain in saying that he could see what was about to happen in that he could see the clip occurring. How would you know that unless of course simulation was involved.

I find it quite hilarious that he of all people got booked by the ref.

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6 minutes ago, Swede said:

I didn't think it was a penalty; What I find interesting is the comments made by Cairney, their captain in saying that he could see what was about to happen in that he could see the clip occurring. How would you know that unless of course simulation was involved.

I find it quite hilarious that he of all people got booked by the ref.

The only thing that makes it look bad to my mind is, where is CO'D going? He doesn't appear to be chasing the player or trying to get between him and the goal, he would have been better off staying out to the edge of the box once he was taken out of the game with the pass. I think there is a clip, but the referee is closer than the camera, so presumably there is no contact. If he had booked the player for diving he would have made his life easier in some ways, because it would have made it clear he thought there was no contact. As he left it, it looks like there was contact but not enough to get a penalty, which is a grey area to say the least.

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I'd be screaming penalty if it happened against us down the gate and at first watch I thought it was as clear a penalty as you can get.

After watching it a few times, I think the ref made a very good call in tough circumstances. You can see their attacker slowing down and moving in COD's direction rather than charging towards goal with the ball. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref didn't buy it. Simple as that. 

All in all, it's a lot of fuss over a penalty that Bentley probably would have saved anyway.

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5 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

The only thing that makes it look bad to my mind is, where is CO'D going? He doesn't appear to be chasing the player or trying to get between him and the goal, he would have been better off staying out to the edge of the box once he was taken out of the game with the pass. I think there is a clip, but the referee is closer than the camera, so presumably there is no contact. If he had booked the player for diving he would have made his life easier in some ways, because it would have made it clear he thought there was no contact. As he left it, it looks like there was contact but not enough to get a penalty, which is a grey area to say the least.

I think you are right about that being a grey area. The Fulham fans around me made the point over and over that he either dived or there was contact. I could not really argue too hard with my red socks on and as they all stand up for any action on the other side behind the goal, I could not see the incident at all. 

But accidental contact or light contact as players are moving in different directions doesn’t mean it’s a foul - although usually given in the box. Moreover going down after light contact is so normal now you could excuse the ref for accepting it wasn’t a no contact dive but not a foul either so not a bad enough “tumble” to be trying to fool the ref and thereby no booking. I like this approach but have to admit it is rare and grey and quite a thin line between the two.

Great game from what I could see. Will watch this one back  for the full 90 mins

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5 hours ago, InCyder said:

I'd be screaming penalty if it happened against us down the gate and at first watch I thought it was as clear a penalty as you can get.

After watching it a few times, I think the ref made a very good call in tough circumstances. You can see their attacker slowing down and moving in COD's direction rather than charging towards goal with the ball. He knew exactly what he was doing and the ref didn't buy it. Simple as that. 

All in all, it's a lot of fuss over a penalty that Bentley probably would have saved anyway.

In basketball you “draw a foul“ by trying to get your marker to make contact beyond the ball/hand. I think football has been slowly heading that way for a long time. I think that’s wrong and like this approach  but I also agree at the other end I would expect to be awarded what is often awarded in similar circumstances 

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6 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

The only thing that makes it look bad to my mind is, where is CO'D going? He doesn't appear to be chasing the player or trying to get between him and the goal, he would have been better off staying out to the edge of the box once he was taken out of the game with the pass. I think there is a clip, but the referee is closer than the camera, so presumably there is no contact. If he had booked the player for diving he would have made his life easier in some ways, because it would have made it clear he thought there was no contact. As he left it, it looks like there was contact but not enough to get a penalty, which is a grey area to say the least.

I think he's going for the ball, then realises he won't make it so pulls out & goes behind the player instead 

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32 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Yes and clips his heels I reckon. I agree that if it happened to us at AG then I would definitely want a penalty.

I've watched it a few times, to me it looks like COD is jumping trying to avoid the player. What also makes me think it may not have been as nailed on as some think. Have a look at the Refs position, couldn't be better, and no hesitation as he turns away , never gives it a thought let alone a second one.

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7 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

The only thing that makes it look bad to my mind is, where is CO'D going? He doesn't appear to be chasing the player or trying to get between him and the goal, he would have been better off staying out to the edge of the box once he was taken out of the game with the pass. I think there is a clip, but the referee is closer than the camera, so presumably there is no contact. If he had booked the player for diving he would have made his life easier in some ways, because it would have made it clear he thought there was no contact. As he left it, it looks like there was contact but not enough to get a penalty, which is a grey area to say the least.

Perhaps the ref thought Kebano changed his run to ensure contact.

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On 08/12/2019 at 10:28, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thought the Weimann at Aston Villa was somewhat marginal.

However, to get that and that joke of a penalty go against you same game...certainly unfortunate. That's one word for it anyway, unfortunate.

Can add the numerous yellow cards we had given to us to that list, players and coaching staff. Yet when a Villa player did similar 9/10 times we didn’t even get a free kick. The Villa players antics, that Lino, and that absolute bastard of a Ref still boils my piss now. :angry:

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Watched it a few times, he actually goes down with his legs part which makes it look like a dive, if there had been contact on is left foot it would have been pushed across his right making him fall, maybe he felt upper body contact and thought it was enough to fall, I can't see how his trailing leg could be clipped by someone running at a 45 deg angle across him and those legs to be 2 ft apart when he took his swallow dive.

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3 hours ago, Whitchurch1966 said:

Watched it a few times, he actually goes down with his legs part which makes it look like a dive, if there had been contact on is left foot it would have been pushed across his right making him fall, maybe he felt upper body contact and thought it was enough to fall, I can't see how his trailing leg could be clipped by someone running at a 45 deg angle across him and those legs to be 2 ft apart when he took his swallow dive.

Absolutely correct.

The only thing the ref got wrong was not booking the flying Dutchman for panto  he's BEHIND YOU! [& a yellow card for simulation]

We won

They lost

Move on

 

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55 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Not a bad watch if you can get past the couple of minutes from 0:36...........WHAT????

 

 

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Not a bad watch if you can get past the couple of minutes from 0:36...........WHAT????

 

They were so annoyed they were wringing their cravats and having to take regular sips of their Pimms to cool down.

 

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