Berkshire Red Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Dare I say it but I think we missed Weimann today. I'm by no means his biggest fan, nor am i his biggest critic, but we looked stationary, weak and uninterested today. Think we missed weimanns energy and grit to chase lost causes. While not the most exciting player to watch, certainly adds energy to the team and appreciate he always gives 100%. Cant say I saw that from anyone else today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 Just now, City18 said: Dare I say it but I think we missed Weimann today. I'm by no means his biggest fan, nor am i his biggest critic, but we looked stationary, weak and uninterested today. Think we missed weimanns energy and grit to chase lost causes. While not the most exciting player to watch, certainly adds energy to the team and appreciate he always gives 100%. Cant say I saw that from anyone else today. If Weimann is the saviour then we really are f*cked. Decent lower end champ player but if we want promotion then we need to get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 I agree with OP to a degree but it’s a classic example of somebody’s reputation improving by not playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, City18 said: Dare I say it but I think we missed Weimann today. I'm by no means his biggest fan, nor am i his biggest critic, but we looked stationary, weak and uninterested today. Think we missed weimanns energy and grit to chase lost causes. While not the most exciting player to watch, certainly adds energy to the team and appreciate he always gives 100%. Cant say I saw that from anyone else today. I seen massengo, paterson, odowda, eliasson pressing and chasing and closing down which is pretty much all weimann really does. I admit weimann probably does it a little better, but that doesn’t stop our relentless passing around the back. Not convinced the result changes with him on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 We always seem to miss X player when they are injured etc. But when X player does play, they contribute square root of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Plage Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 To be honest, today we missed ODowda, Eliasson, Paterson, Dave, Rowe etc cant wait to have all them back fit and healthy. Should never of started with Palmer in front of wells and Afobe, what an utter disaster that was. Oh wait, hang on, sorry I was dreaming for a minute not having AW was an opportunity today to have a go and as usual it was ROYALY bottled and the only plan B was to bring them on when the game was beyond us, shocking game management yet again, managers like Mowbray are not the best, but more experienced than LJ and time after time out do him and his predictable tactics and selections. Rant over, happy Father’s Day all, oh and even he said how poor it was post match as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen ninetyfour Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 If weimann was playing yesterday this thread would still exist but only be about how he ran about for 90 mins without achieving anything. I feel like the problem is deeper than weimann not able to play yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubStixx Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 I don't think this is about bringing in player a) or dropping player b). The problems lie deeper than that. This squad has cost millions to assemble. We should be doing a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Eighteen ninetyfour said: If weimann was playing yesterday this thread would still exist but only be about how he ran about for 90 mins without achieving anything. I feel like the problem is deeper than weimann not able to play yesterday. It's not like he just runs around though, he's got 10 goals in the league this season, that's 1 more than Fam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen ninetyfour Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: It's not like he just runs around though, he's got 10 goals in the league this season, that's 1 more than Fam Oh i agree, hes a decent player with qualities and i like his work rate. But i honestly dont feel that with him in the squad yesterday would be a lot of difference and i feel the problem lays deeper that a couple individuals not making the selection. Hopefully those issues can be sorted for the remainder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 I really dont think we did... the clue is in the scoreline 3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 To a degree I would agree we did, if we don't try and play our way out one of our favoured exit routes from the defence is to hit channels and try and recover the ball high if it doesn't get received by a player, Weimann does excellently at chasing down these balls and at least pressuring the opposition player, yesterday Diedhiou up top alone is never going to chase balls as quickly/regularly as Weimann, Paterson behind him isn't coming to support to make it a front 2 out of possession so easily to play around and Eliasson/O'Dowda ineffective as wide men pushing forward to pressure either. It was a bit better once we went to 2 upfront, but still think Weimann at least gives us a spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: It's not like he just runs around though, he's got 10 goals in the league this season, that's 1 more than Fam Not strictly true, Fam has 10 league, Andi 9. But Fam’s includes 1 pen. But seeing as Andi rarely plays as the main striker, I feel his goal return is undervalued. He is so much more than just runs around. Imagine if O’Dowda, Eliasson, Paterson and Fam “just ran around”.....instead of standing still half the time. But harsh on Fam, but Andi does a lot of his pressing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 Weimann is one of our few players with Premier league experience. He Is one of those unspectacular players whose contribution is often undervalued until he is absent. It’s not just his work rate but his ability to read the game better than many of the other players and create space for others. He also IMO makes our midfield less vulnerable when he plays than the likes of Pato or Callum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 To state the obvious, the more the ball is up their end, the more likely we are to score and they cannot score. Andi is much better than O'Dowda at keeping the ball and getting into dangerous positions. Although he rarely has much product, he's a tireless runner and will run with the ball to bring it forward. We definitely will have missed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Not strictly true, Fam has 10 league, Andi 9. But Fam’s includes 1 pen. But seeing as Andi rarely plays as the main striker, I feel his goal return is undervalued. He is so much more than just runs around. Imagine if O’Dowda, Eliasson, Paterson and Fam “just ran around”.....instead of standing still half the time. But harsh on Fam, but Andi does a lot of his pressing for him. I got the stats from this site which I use regularly: https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/goalscorers?page=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Eighteen ninetyfour said: Oh i agree, hes a decent player with qualities and i like his work rate. But i honestly dont feel that with him in the squad yesterday would be a lot of difference and i feel the problem lays deeper that a couple individuals not making the selection. Hopefully those issues can be sorted for the remainder of the season. The big problem yesterday was the defence, we could have had Harry Kane up front and still would have lost, not just the goals but other errors like that Kalas backpass thet they should have put away, yesterday was just down to individual mistakes in defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I got the stats from this site which I use regularly: https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/goalscorers?page=2 I believe they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: The big problem yesterday was the defence, we could have had Harry Kane up front and still would have lost, not just the goals but other errors like that Kalas backpass thet they should have put away, yesterday was just down to individual mistakes in defence I think they’ve got to tell Smith and Massengo to bugger off if they’re gonna launch it. If they’re gonna play out, then Smith or Massengo can get involved but then Kalas and Baker need to split and be prepared to drive into space. Basically we got it all wrong yesterday and you’re right, Kane wouldn’t have got any service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: I think that is actually Weimann's biggest weakness. He does not like to keep the ball at all. I have seen him so many times isolated in attacking areas where needs to hold it up and he will shoot from unrealistic positions outside the box instead of keeping hold of it. Even crossing to no one because of a player closing him down as he has the ball. But him giving it early can also be a big benefit too. Would be ideal if he did both. I am wondering if going back to what we saw away at Stoke would work. Weimann in behind 2 strikers. But with Wells and Afobe and not Fam. That pressing from Weimann in that area may work very well imo. I know Palmer is the obvious one to go for but I think the work rate of Weimann could add a lot in that position. In Johnson's time here he has shown pressing to be his best way of attacking teams. Imagine winning the ball back and having Afobe and Wells to play it through to. Very different to building from the back when teams have everyone in their defensive positions. Do you mean Hull (a)? In the 5212 I posted earlier, you are right Weimann would give us a real interesting option in the “hole”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 I think Weimann could have made a difference yesterday for sure. Central on one hand, but drifting out on the other maybe- possible overload vs the out of position inexperienced LB? It's purely hypothetical of course but I wonder about a Hunt-Weimann combo on that side, could that have been interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: I think that is actually Weimann's biggest weakness. He does not like to keep the ball at all. I have seen him so many times isolated in attacking areas where needs to hold it up and he will shoot from unrealistic positions outside the box instead of keeping hold of it. Even crossing to no one because of a player closing him down as he has the ball. But him giving it early can also be a big benefit too. Would be ideal if he did both. I am wondering if going back to what we saw away at Stoke would work. Weimann in behind 2 strikers. But with Wells and Afobe and not Fam. That pressing from Weimann in that area may work very well imo. I know Palmer is the obvious one to go for but I think the work rate of Weimann could add a lot in that position. In Johnson's time here he has shown pressing to be his best way of attacking teams. Imagine winning the ball back and having Afobe and Wells to play it through to. Very different to building from the back when teams have everyone in their defensive positions. He might release it too often, but he is less easily dispossessed in my view than Callum. But yes, centrally is where he has always make his best impact. Out wide he's wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: He might release it too often, but he is less easily dispossessed in my view than Callum. But yes, centrally is where he has always make his best impact. Out wide he's wasted. How about something between wide and central- thinking e.g. wide forward in a 3? On the right of course- could be Weimann-Afobe-Wells, or Weimann-Afobe-Eliasson, looking right to left. An example of this might be his goal vs Leeds- Eliasson was inside and passed it to him having drifted- can get up the phase of play minutes wise, then out to Weimann who came inside and got the goal- albeit deflected but quite well taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 I’m also not his biggest fan but he’s got energy and is a ever willing runner and we need his endeavour . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 13 hours ago, shelts said: I’m also not his biggest fan but he’s got energy and is a ever willing runner and we need his endeavour . I thought you were talking about Matty Taylor for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, E.G.Red said: I thought you were talking about Matty Taylor for a moment. It could well be z about Taylor for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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