frenchred Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Now call me distanced, part timer anything you want but after reading the on line evening post I am certainly confused. Steve Phillipps is quoted as saying he though he had a better last season than the one before (This I agree with) he stated he always aims to get better each season but that there was nothing specific he concentrated on because he thought the season before was good anyway. ermm, how about crosses Steve? commanding your box more even? but the most confusing part is the misconception that his kicking is bad. Stating that he is a very good kicker of the ball and was renowed for it in the western league. Granted I do not get to see that many matches (About 5-8 a season) but EVERY game I have seen his kicking is absolutly dreadfull. I do not see in a million years that he is even at best an everake kicker of the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-0 Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Now call me distanced, part timer anything you want but after reading the on line evening post I am certainly confused. Steve Phillipps is quoted as saying he though he had a better last season than the one before (This I agree with) he stated he always aims to get better each season but that there was nothing specific he concentrated on because he thought the season before was good anyway. ermm, how about crosses Steve? commanding your box more even? but the most confusing part is the misconception that his kicking is bad. Stating that he is a very good kicker of the ball and was renowed for it in the western league. Granted I do not get to see that many matches (About 5-8 a season) but EVERY game I have seen his kicking is absolutly dreadfull. I do not see in a million years that he is even at best an everake kicker of the ball! ← part timer you told me to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 part timer you told me to ← It usualy takes a few defeats, not agreeing with everyone and about half the season to pass before I get that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I thought the same about his kicking, he usually messes up a kick once each game. apart from that though he's quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Rich Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Kicking? What a load of toss. His kicking is second to none. Not only that, he is a tremendous kicker of the ball with both feet. I just don't understand the critism he gets. The fact that no manager has ever seen the need to bring a replacement in over the past 3 years should show something. This topic is really p!ssing me off now.... :Fume: :Rage: EDIT: You might want to think about spelling him name right before you start slagging him off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Players have weaknesses and as I said before Steve Phillips is a quality keeper and thats why he is never dropped. But his kicking can sometimes be poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Sorry but like you said you are distanced...Steve is a excellent keeper. Yes i to have seen his kicks bend out of play or be scuffed on occasion, but compare that to how many times player "x" gives the ball away with a bad pass and i think you will have to agree, Steves kicking ability is not bad, you just dont see enough of him to put it into perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezey Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Sorry but like you said you are distanced...Steve is a excellent keeper. Yes i to have seen his kicks bend out of play or be scuffed on occasion, but compare that to how many times player "x" gives the ball away with a bad pass and i think you will have to agree, Steves kicking ability is not bad, you just dont see enough of him to put it into perspective. ← Trouble is for keepers is that they are encouraged to play the ball out to the wings as often as possible. This reduces the chance of the ball coming straight back at you. This does mean that one or two will slice out of player especially if he is being charged down by a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Kicking? What a load of toss. His kicking is second to none. Not only that, he is a tremendous kicker of the ball with both feet. I just don't understand the critism he gets. The fact that no manager has ever seen the need to bring a replacement in over the past 3 years should show something. This topic is really p!ssing me off now.... :Fume: :Rage: EDIT: You might want to think about spelling him name right before you start slagging him off? ← Oh well lets stop talking about it now because Big Red Rich dont agree with it. Perhaps you should be a moderator then anything you dont agree with you can stop being posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Trouble is for keepers is that they are encouraged to play the ball out to the wings as often as possible. This reduces the chance of the ball coming straight back at you. This does mean that one or two will slice out of player especially if he is being charged down by a striker. ← Exactly, hope Frenchred reads some of these responces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Exactly, hope Frenchred reads some of these responces. ← I've read them all actually. I still find it amazing that goalkeepers scuff so many clearances, they are supposed to be professional footballers the same as outfield players. My thread was not so much a critism of Steve, just an observation that maybe the guy should realise a few weaknesses he has so it gives him something to work on. Obviously touched a nerve with a few but that was not the intention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I'm not defending anyone here, and I haven't read the article in question. But maybe Steve is being slightly misunderstood? Maybe he is coming across as arrogant/overly confident if he seems to be saying he feels he is good enough and has nothing much more to learn/improve on? Personally I feel he took his chance when it came. Things were always against us regarding Mercer. Steve was suddenly into the 1st team 'before his time' and has rightly become the No 1 'keeper. He badly needs competition though. We have been lucky with his lack of injuries and for many games played without having a sub keeper on the bench. The thing that annoys me about him, if I had to pick one, is his lack of accepting some of the blame when necessary. He sometimes makes a mistake and instead of holding his hand up he will let rip into the defender. Ok the defender may have played a part but often doesn't deserve to be bellowed at by an angry phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Would'nt say he is coming accross as over-confident or anything, its just that he's saying that his kicking is a strong point, when Id say its his weakness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I've read them all actually. I still find it amazing that goalkeepers scuff so many clearances, they are supposed to be professional footballers the same as outfield players. My thread was not so much a critism of Steve, just an observation that maybe the guy should realise a few weaknesses he has so it gives him something to work on. Obviously touched a nerve with a few but that was not the intention ← Your quite right to raise the topic Frenchred, and it is annoying when you see that happening, i just think Steve has developed naturaly over the last few years, but i will say when he first broke into the team his kicking was his weakest part of his game and although its still not his stongest he is perfectly capable these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 The fact that no manager has seen the need to put in a susbstantial bid for him during the past 3 years should show something. Dodgy Keeper. Improved? yes, but excellent? don't make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 team of the year last season............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 3, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I've read them all actually. I still find it amazing that goalkeepers scuff so many clearances, they are supposed to be professional footballers the same as outfield players. My thread was not so much a critism of Steve, just an observation that maybe the guy should realise a few weaknesses he has so it gives him something to work on. Obviously touched a nerve with a few but that was not the intention ← I wouldn't read too much into it. Steve obviously knows he has weaknesses as in other interviews he has highlighted them and if he didn't he'd be in the Premiership and England's recognised #1 right now. Of our players, Steve appears to be one who is most committed to eradicating the deficiencies from his game. For instance, I believe Steve returned to pre-season training earlier than his team-mates in each of the previous two seasons with the express desire of concentrating on improving his weak areas with a specialist coach. Yes he still has problems with crosses and commanding his area but there has been a distinct improvement in both these areas over the last year and it's fair to say he is a much more rounded keeper now than even 12 months ago. If this progression continues over the forthcoming season, should City do the unspeakable and fail to get promoted, it won't just be Coles and Doherty departing in big money moves next Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 3, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 The fact that no manager has seen the need to put in a susbstantial bid for him during the past 3 years should show something. Dodgy Keeper. Improved? yes, but excellent? don't make me laugh ← City rejected a £500k bid from Crewe a few years ago. £500k is "substantial" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Wes Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Kicking? What a load of toss. His kicking is second to none. Not only that, he is a tremendous kicker of the ball with both feet. I just don't understand the critism he gets. The fact that no manager has ever seen the need to bring a replacement in over the past 3 years should show something. This topic is really p!ssing me off now.... :Fume: :Rage: EDIT: You might want to think about spelling him name right before you start slagging him off? ← He never used to be able to kick but he has improved loads over the last few seasons and is quite good now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedUn Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Yes he still has problems with crosses and commanding his area ← Spot on Madger, in full agreement with all you've said. On the bit I've quoted, the trend towards lighter balls (which are less predictable in-flight) has caused problems for all keepers so more keepers elect to punch these days. I can't help thinking that a lot of the "command his area" type criticisms fail to take this into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I have just re-read thgis whole thread and have lost count of the number of times where 'PRO'-Phillips posters have said this is poor, this aint great, that is poor Quotes (word for word) 'he usually messes up a kick once each game' 'But his kicking can sometimes be poor!' 'Yes i to have seen his kicks bend out of play' 'its just that he's saying that his kicking is a strong point, when Id say its his weakness' 'his kicking was his weakest part of his game and although its still not his stongest' 'Yes he still has problems with crosses and commanding his area' Right, so that's questionmarks over his kicking, catching and communication. I see now how you think he is amazing, 'one of the best outside the premiership'. 'England's, England's number 1 (clown)' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 3, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 I have just re-read thgis whole thread and have lost count of the number of times where 'PRO'-Phillips posters have said this is poor, this aint great, that is poor Quotes (word for word) 'he usually messes up a kick once each game' 'But his kicking can sometimes be poor!' 'Yes i to have seen his kicks bend out of play' 'its just that he's saying that his kicking is a strong point, when Id say its his weakness' 'his kicking was his weakest part of his game and although its still not his stongest' 'Yes he still has problems with crosses and commanding his area' Right, so that's questionmarks over his kicking, catching and communication. I see now how you think he is amazing, 'one of the best outside the premiership'. 'England's, England's number 1 (clown)' ← I forgot that 3rd division goalkeepers aren't allowed to have ANY weak areas without being written off as "rubbish", sorry, my bad. Perhaps we should go out and see if Chelsea will accept a £5m bid for Carlo Cudicini, one of the highest rated keepers in the Prem, now that they have Peter Cech. Oh no, that wouldn't be any good either, he punches 90% of the crosses he deals with and is prone to the odd blunder too. Who do you suggest we sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Thankyou...nail head hit, yep he is third rate. Why some feel the need to paint him as a world beater is beyond me. Perhaps they feel disloyal to the club if they arent seen to big up average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 3, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Thankyou...nail head hit, yep he is third rate. Why some feel the need to paint him as a world beater is beyond me. Perhaps they feel disloyal to the club if they arent seen to big up average players. ← Just as some feel the need to paint him as the worst keeper in the World is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openEnd Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Just as some feel the need to paint him as the worst keeper in the World is beyond me. ← All I did was quote others, that stated he was dogy at this, dodgy at that. If the truth be told I didn't have to look far, the pro-phillips brigade did all the work for me. Heres a hypothetical question for you then. If Phillips played for another side in our division, would Ashton Gate echo to the sound of 'dodgy keeper, dodgy keeper' once a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 3, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 All I did was quote others, that stated he was dogy at this, dodgy at that. If the truth be told I didn't have to look far, the pro-phillips brigade did all the work for me. Heres a hypothetical question for you then. If Phillips played for another side in our division, would Ashton Gate echo to the sound of 'dodgy keeper, dodgy keeper' once a season? ← No, all you did was take the one point made by each poster when they all actually believe the good outweigh the bad. That would be like me selecting 20 random wins from last season to show how amazing Wilson was (not my view as you'll well know but I know you'll appreciate the comparison). As for the question you then pose, I wouldn't know....."yes Phillips has dodgy moments" (there I even quoted it for you ) but these DON'T occur in every match and in the vast majority of cases the opposing keeper will have more 'dodgy moments' than Phillips does in each game. It would depend on the individual match I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 His kickings come on heaps and bounds over the years as has his all round game. Admittedly he does need to work on coming off his line but he is getting better. It is really hard for keepers mind because every mistake is scrutinised whereas if a midfielder were to misplace a pass it would go un-noticed. Lay off him- He's a great young keeper and we're lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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