Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: **** off. A title was taken away from someone on the final lap and given to another driver because of regulations getting broken Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 So basically it was Mercedes vs Red Bull in the stewards’ room, and the stewards gratefully agreed with Red Bulls interpretation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, WarksRobin said: So basically it was Mercedes vs Red Bull in the stewards’ room, and the stewards gratefully agreed with Red Bulls interpretation Makes a nice change At least LH can blame something else for him not winning 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, WarksRobin said: So basically it was Mercedes vs Red Bull in the stewards’ room, and the stewards gratefully agreed with Red Bulls interpretation Yep Horner said “the rules that you made up on the spot to let us win were fair” and the stewards said “Gosh, you agree, that’s great, that’s 2:1 in favour of Max, so majority rules. Case dismissed.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 The wording is an interesting point on how Red Bull argued that 'any' cars for underlapping doesn't have to mean 'all' cars, ie Masi being right to remove cars which would influence natural racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Super said: Get over it. If the title had been decided on track without anything else, I'd have been fine with it? Why are you happy for a blatant screwjob? answer that one instead of acting a *** 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: Christ, Red Bull arguments weak as piss "Any does not mean all" yeah OK, lads. Basically stewards call even if incident isn't in the spirit of the rules... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, TomF said: So sounds like there is a get out of jail card for Massi where what he decides overrides any other rule Which I think Masi should be able to do for safety reasons or concerns but not in order to try and create a race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: The wording is an interesting point on how Red Bull argued that 'any' cars for underlapping doesn't have to mean 'all' cars, ie Masi being right to remove cars which would influence natural racing. Yeah, but they’re being disingenuous, if they were really interested in natural racing, LH would have 11 seconds and new tyres to go back to the equivalent position before the safety car. Or not have the safety car and have carnage. Giving MV an 11 second leg up and a tippity top set of soft tyres wasn’t anything to do with natural racing (not saying you’re saying this btw), just kicked LH twice and then 3 times with the 5 lapped cars. Reasonably extraordinary decision making all round, has a whiff of the F1 owners thinking more money to be made going WWE style, maybe they’re right, but pretty unsavoury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) Once the safety car came out and Mercedes didn't pit due to duff info, there was only one possible result, which meant the guy twelve seconds behind won. Really weird. Edited December 12, 2021 by cidercity1987 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: If the title had been decided on track without anything else, I'd have been fine with it? Why are you happy for a blatant screwjob? answer that one instead of acting a *** Max did nothing wrong and the abuse he is getting is pathetic. Making him wait so long after was a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Makes a nice change At least LH can blame something else for him not winning I can understand not wanting Lewis to win because he's won 7 in a row and it can get stale, or perhaps because of his extra-curricular activities, but I don't think you can say he blames others? Did you watch the interviews with Button after the race? And see him on the podium? And did you see Max last week on the podium? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Super said: Max did nothing wrong and the abuse he is getting is pathetic. Making him wait so long after was a disgrace. No one has said Max has done anything wrong? It's the FIA. Your views towards Mercedes and Hamilton are a little weird to be honest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Super said: Max did nothing wrong and the abuse he is getting is pathetic. Making him wait so long after was a disgrace. Who has blamed Max? Twice now youve said that but everyone is blaming Masi, not Max Either answer with honesty or **** off and stop trolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, grifty said: I can understand not wanting Lewis to win because he's won 7 in a row and it can get stale, or perhaps because of his extra-curricular activities, but I don't think you can say he blames others? Did you watch the interviews with Button after the race? And see him on the podium? And did you see Max last week on the podium? Sorry but when LH wins its all about him When he gets beat its the cars fault Wrong tyre choice from the team Wrong pit stops Blames every body and everything bar himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Super said: Max did nothing wrong and the abuse he is getting is pathetic. Making him wait so long after was a disgrace. Hamilton was 12 seconds up the road, keeping pace with Verstappen on much older hard tyres. Courtesy of a yellow flag and some mysterious ruling on the restart MV is suddenly, through no skill of his own, right behind Hamilton on fresh soft tyres. If you think that is fair or a good look for F1 you are deluded. Max may well have done nothing wrong but the real disgrace is allowing that situation to occur. Fastest car / driver lost the race because of stupid rules. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, grifty said: No one has said Max has done anything wrong? It's the FIA. Your views towards Mercedes and Hamilton are a little weird to be honest. Don't have any problem with Hamilton. His team however.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Maltshoveller said: Sorry but when LH wins its all about him When he gets beat its the cars fault Wrong tyre choice from the team Wrong pit stops Blames every body and everything bar himself That's not true though. Literally every race he's won this season he's said about how good a job the team has done, including the people back at the factory. So why do you, as well as Super continually tell lies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Sorry but when LH wins its all about him When he gets beat its the cars fault Wrong tyre choice from the team Wrong pit stops Blames every body and everything bar himself That is completely wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Super said: Don't have any problem with Hamilton. His team however.. You're an Audi driver aren't you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Yeah bloody Mercedes. Got completely cheated out of winning the title. Should just throw their arms up and say ‘never mind’, and allow Verstappen to celebrate. Bloody Mercedes. As for criticising Hamilton, I thought he was remarkably calm and restrained after the race. Can confirm I’d have carried on like a right *****. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Sorry but when LH wins its all about him When he gets beat its the cars fault Wrong tyre choice from the team Wrong pit stops Blames every body and everything bar himself That's funny, cus all last weekend, this week and even during the race today, all I've heard from Verstappen is about how everyone is out to get him and he never gets any rulings go his way. Comes across as Alex Ferguson on wheels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Horner giving “let them race” to Masi - would have been fairer to red flag and let them both change tyres and if MV won from there, unlucky for LH, but fair enough. The sequence of events that Masi allowed was nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, grifty said: That is completely wrong ok Happy to say i exaggerated some what but its not completely wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Was it fair for Lewis to lose 11 seconds ? I don’t normally watch it, was very good however you can see Lewis was the faster driver. Was it fair to lose how he did ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Horner giving “let them race” to Masi - would have been fairer to red flag and let them both change tyres and if MV won from there, unlucky for LH, but fair enough. The sequence of events that Masi allowed was nonsense. Masi shot himself in the foot as he was asked essentially about the exact scenario that came up and said there would be no red flag, I agree it would have been the fairest. I think rules need to be reviewed, not the biggest of watchers but a couple of ideas ie no changing tyres in the pits under a safety car (or a very minimum no changing to a different type) perhaps give authority to decrease the speed under safety car even further to allow cars to unlap easier and have an instruction that no unlapping between turns x and y so that no danger is in place. That way today you could have got all cars unlapped on the other side of the track to the incident where it would be safe to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted December 12, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 One loser here, F1. Myself and Mrs Maesknoll have been following F1 for years, she is a Hamilton fan, I never really had a Driver I followed, but was at Barcelona when Verstappen won his first GP - followed his career and wanted him to win the Championship since then. Today, he was unable to keep pace with Hamilton’s car, doubt there is much between them in driving ability, Mercedes have really sorted their car in the last few races, I thought it was over. The Drivers have done nothing wrong, the FIA and Micheal Massi have potentially undone a lot of the good work in garnering interest and new support for F1, terrible way to end the season, not sure what the outcome can be now, maybe voiding the race is one option, Max keeps his title, even Mrs M the Hamilton fan thinks the result shouldn’t be overturned and she is talking about not following the sport anymore, after many years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: ok Happy to say i exaggerated some what but its not completely wrong Looking forward to the evidence supporting your point, which I’m sure you will find easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 I’m genuinely struggling to think of a bigger sporting robbery. The only two events that come close is when the judges scored Canelo that win against the Eastern European chap and when Bobby Reid scored a 90th minute equaliser against Brentford to get us a 2-2 draw a few years ago. Still… it’s funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Horner giving “let them race” to Masi - would have been fairer to red flag and let them both change tyres and if MV won from there, unlucky for LH, but fair enough. The sequence of events that Masi allowed was nonsense. The same Horner who wanted the rules applied like it was any other race and had they been there wouldn’t be any controversy 34 minutes ago, Super said: Max did nothing wrong and the abuse he is getting is pathetic. Making him wait so long after was a disgrace. Its not that he won but the way he won and had it been the other way round it would’ve been just as unfair. It was meant to be an F1 title decider rather than a WWE entertainment show and that leaves a bitter after taste 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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