Bassomylord Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 By not getting any wide players.....we have ODowda, thats it.....the only proven wide player in our squad and even then his stats are dreadful. We needed 2 wide men before Eliasson went.....to not replace him was criminal.....we are now stuck with square pegs in round holes AGAIN......FFS Palmer, Massengo etc playing on the wing? What a joke. Holden you put all your eggs in your 352 basket and now we have nothing....making it up as you go along. You sign Chris Martin the master of crosses and yet we don't have a singer player in the squad who can cross a football. Our summer recruitment has been dire, and now we are paying the price....when you need a goal in tight games your wingers can make all the difference.....and all we have in semenyo who is unproven and learning. Not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Recruitment hasn’t been great since Cotterill left, IMO, and that doesn’t bode well going into a summer when a lot of players will be OOC. Semenyo will never be an out-an-out winger, I think very few of them exist in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 I imagine Roman Abramovich sacking Lampard and announcing the outstanding candidate... Jody Morris That's how ridiculous it is. No, this is all due to SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Losing to Derby FFS - absolute shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Stop your worrying we got Lansbury in ,6 years to late but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Neither Holden or Ashton are the problem. They are simply symptoms of the problem. The problem is Steve Lansdown. No end of OTIB threads is going to change his controlling attitude and lack of ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Stop your worrying we got Lansbury in ,6 years to late but hey ho Hopefully Barry Bannan will be old enough for us to sign in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Thank God this is a free season for s/t holders. They would have been ripped up and thrown on the pitch by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, marmite said: Thank God this is a free season for s/t holders. They would have been ripped up and thrown on the pitch by now. Genuinely think this is Lansdowns saving grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Signed the cheap yes man option as a coach Who is clearly inept and from a failed regime and he is quickly turning us into a team full of overpaid past it journeymen And clubs in the bag like years gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 We were stitched up for sure. If SL and MA had openly said this season was just about surviving as a club due to Covid, we may have been more forgiving. But the appointment was lauded as a new bright beginning with fast attacking football. B*ll*cks. Well and truely conned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, marmite said: We were stitched up for sure. If SL and MA had openly said this season was just about surviving as a club due to Covid, we may have been more forgiving. But the appointment was lauded as a new bright beginning with fast attacking football. B*ll*cks. Well and truely conned. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 5-3-2 or 3-5-2, all eggs, one basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 We were lied to by the man himself Steve was quoted on the radio interview that we were after someone with a decent managerial record. And we get Deano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: We were lied to by the man himself Steve was quoted on the radio interview that we were after someone with a decent managerial record. And we get Deano He was to be a breath of fresh air , how sl thought this would happen by employing the assistant to the other failed manager is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, marmite said: We were stitched up for sure. If SL and MA had openly said this season was just about surviving as a club due to Covid, we may have been more forgiving. But the appointment was lauded as a new bright beginning with fast attacking football. B*ll*cks. Well and truely conned. Stitched up? Really? I'm amazed that people are saying this based on what SL said. Have people lost the ability to make their own decisions and look at the wider picture, e.g. COVID, lack of income, Dean's appointment? Thats just a few examples that sould have been a clue to people about how our season was going to pan out - i've not even included the impacts of the injury crisis. Did people honestly still believe him and think that we were on for a top 6 spot? I dont have a problem with him saying what he said - my expectation was firmly set at the start for a mid table finish and I'm happy with that this year (possibly next too if things don't change) and with the squad/coaching set up we have. Had COVID not existed, Landsdown appointed an experienced, top class manager with promises of funds which enticed ST holders to spend their money AND then he'd gone back on his promises then yeah, I can understand the feeling of being stitched up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Malago said: Neither Holden or Ashton are the problem. They are simply symptoms of the problem. The problem is Steve Lansdown. No end of OTIB threads is going to change his controlling attitude and lack of ambition. How could he show more ambition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, marmite said: We were stitched up for sure. If SL and MA had openly said this season was just about surviving as a club due to Covid, we may have been more forgiving. But the appointment was lauded as a new bright beginning with fast attacking football. B*ll*cks. Well and truely conned. Bang on the money. That - and other blatant lies, bullshit or contradictions - is exactly why I’m fed up with this regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: How could he show more ambition? By employing an experienced successful manager (Manager mind, not coach) who is given total control of all matters relating to the football club and who is beholden (no pun intended) to nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Malago said: By employing an experienced successful manager (Manager mind, not coach) who is given total control of all matters relating to the football club and who is beholden (no pun intended) to nobody. Who was available at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Malago said: By employing an experienced successful manager (Manager mind, not coach) who is given total control of all matters relating to the football club and who is beholden (no pun intended) to nobody. Or, like Reading and Barnsley, two of the more entertaining sides, the imagination to employ a foreign coach instead of going for more of the same dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Who was available at the time? Further, who was available and able to get their head around the prevailing economic climate and impact on football at this level right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Further, who was available and able to get their head around the prevailing economic climate and impact on football at this level right now? Wasn’t that Ashton’s job , as you know he’s being paid serious money, he came up with dean , sadly it’s looking like he’s failed to find the right man . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Further, who was available and able to get their head around the prevailing economic climate and impact on football at this level right now? Paul Cook did a pretty good job at a "financially stressed" club for example. He was a candidate but presumably not as good a human as Holden. But in any event don't most coaches at our level have to deal with the prevailing economic climate? Or are you suggesting we are unique in that respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, glen humphries said: Wasn’t that Ashton’s job , as you know he’s being paid serious money, he came up with dean , sadly it’s looking like he’s failed to find the right man . My critique is more of the managers who might have at that stage, been looking at "Business as Usual" in the market- I suspect a few might have had that mindset in summer 2020. 11 minutes ago, chinapig said: Paul Cook did a pretty good job at a "financially stressed" club for example. He was a candidate but presumably not as good a human as Holden. But in any event don't most coaches at our level have to deal with the prevailing economic climate? Or are you suggesting we are unique in that respect? Cook I would have been very happy with- that said Wigan's costs seemed to escalate last season, mooted that they made a £20m loss though I'm only going on the Hong Kong figures- assuming wage bill and amortisation pushed up. After the administration he galvanised them brilliantly- but actually Wigan were superb from well you can pick different starting points but they rallied really well from maybe early February, or early stages ie early December. Would Cook or Hughton have accepted financial constraints on recruitment which are at this time necessary? I'm unsure about that. I believe they might have wanted a bigger recruitment budget than we could offer, remember too there was uncertainty over a) Salary cap b) Squad sizes c) How FFP would be reworked. Talking of Cook and again I rate him highly, it is mooted that he has turned down 6 month deals at both Sheffield Wednesday and Cardiff- bur then in summer 2020 there was doubt as to whether he would get released from his contract at Wigan without compensation being due, being deemed a financial asset or somesuch- how long could we have waited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My critique is more of the managers who might have at that stage, been looking at "Business as Usual" in the market- I suspect a few might have had that mindset in summer 2020. Cook I would have been very happy with- that said Wigan's costs seemed to escalate last season, mooted that they made a £20m loss though I'm only going on the Hong Kong figures- assuming wage bill and amortisation pushed up. After the administration he galvanised them brilliantly- but actually Wigan were superb from well you can pick different starting points but they rallied really well from maybe early February, or early stages ie early December. Would Cook or Hughton have accepted financial constraints on recruitment which are at this time necessary? I query it. My guess is Cook yes, Hughton no. But that neither of them would have accepted having as little authority as Holden has. You know, the man who told us today that he had no idea if any more players would be coming in as that was out of his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, chinapig said: My guess is Cook yes, Hughton no. But that neither of them would have accepted having as little authority as Holden has. You know, the man who told us today that he had no idea if any more players would be coming in as that was out of his hands. That tells you all you need to know, he’s a puppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, chinapig said: My guess is Cook yes, Hughton no. But that neither of them would have accepted having as little authority as Holden has. You know, the man who told us today that he had no idea if any more players would be coming in as that was out of his hands. My conspiracy theory on that is we are walking a bit of a tightrope ahead of March- perhaps we're under some sort of soft embargo or require EFL approval for acquisitions etc (along with much of the League), pre-emptive measures for FFP can and do kick in. Would you be vastly surprised? EFL can do that, require a club to work to a budget- they stopped Reading loaning Riquelme (not that one) I believe. I will have to see the post match comments in full though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggyRed Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Malago said: Neither Holden or Ashton are the problem. They are simply symptoms of the problem. The problem is Steve Lansdown. No end of OTIB threads is going to change his controlling attitude and lack of ambition. Don’t be so stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Stitched up? Really? I'm amazed that people are saying this based on what SL said. Have people lost the ability to make their own decisions and look at the wider picture, e.g. COVID, lack of income, Dean's appointment? Thats just a few examples that sould have been a clue to people about how our season was going to pan out - i've not even included the impacts of the injury crisis. Did people honestly still believe him and think that we were on for a top 6 spot? I dont have a problem with him saying what he said - my expectation was firmly set at the start for a mid table finish and I'm happy with that this year (possibly next too if things don't change) and with the squad/coaching set up we have. Had COVID not existed, Landsdown appointed an experienced, top class manager with promises of funds which enticed ST holders to spend their money AND then he'd gone back on his promises then yeah, I can understand the feeling of being stitched up. Sorry but you are argueing against your own point here. You admit that you knew what he was saying was bullshit, but you don't think he was trying to con us. If we all knew the truth beforehand, then why did they try to spin the promise of something different to us. all it needed was a bit of honesty from the club., not misleading spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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