Hampshire Red Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Firstly, congratulations to another young hopeful signing up for our beloved club. Secondly, a question of how much we have really missed an out and out winger this season? We know CoD and Pato can play there, we know Semenyo can be dangerous cutting in but it seems a while since we had someone hugging the touchlines, a la Dave Smith, Scott Murray, Junior Bent, Albert Adomah etc. Ok, those examples arent many people's favourites but do we know if NP likes an out and out winger? Thirdly, its been a few years since i used to watch academy games before the Main Event at BS3 so these names mean nothing to me. Has anyone been watching Marlee in his 2 years with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 It looked like DH recruited last summer for 5-3-2 and when he needed to switch it up the personnel was limited. Eliasson being the obvious miss, but I wonder if he wanted gone as much as we may have decided he was surplus to requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Yeah I feel we have missed wingers times. We set up to play that 5-3-2 at the start of the season and it felt we didn't have the... 'clubs in the bag'.. to really play with wingers. COD & Semenyo the only real options we have. Pato better inside for me and not convinced Adelakun is the answer. Obviously injuries to COD & Adelakun have limited our options to play with more traditional wingers anyway. Love seeing Semenyo go at people and would welcome an addition this summer so we have another player who can do similar and get us on the edge of our seats a bit, just for entertainment as much as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Alessandro said: It looked like DH recruited last summer for 5-3-2 and when he needed to switch it up the personnel was limited. Eliasson being the obvious miss, but I wonder if he wanted gone as much as we may have decided he was surplus to requirements. Pretty much accepted we sold Eliasson because he wasn't going to sign a new contract so got what we could for him, there was probably hope Diedhiou would sign a new contract as to why he wasn't sold last summer or that would couldn't get what we deemed a good fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: Pretty much accepted we sold Eliasson because he wasn't going to sign a new contract so got what we could for him, there was probably hope Diedhiou would sign a new contract as to why he wasn't sold last summer or that would couldn't get what we deemed a good fee. He was treated badly by Johnson - was clearly our best and most exciting player but was not allowed to develop by being dropped, subbed and used as a bit part player - what a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: Pretty much accepted we sold Eliasson because he wasn't going to sign a new contract so got what we could for him, there was probably hope Diedhiou would sign a new contract as to why he wasn't sold last summer or that would couldn't get what we deemed a good fee. Yeah absolutely - but as always we don’t know what offer we gave Eliasson - if Holden thought he wouldn’t be playing him, we probably didn’t push the boat out with the offer. The club have stated publicly Fam has had pretty much the best the club can offer, so if he goes, so be it. Hands are tied there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Top Robin said: He was treated badly by Johnson - was clearly our best and most exciting player but was not allowed to develop by being dropped, subbed and used as a bit part player - what a waste. I'm not so sure about that - he made 84 appearances for us over 3 seasons. For me he had plenty of chances and despite his ability to win games for us, he was still developing his all round game, especially his defensive duties - which is probably why he remained a bit of a luxury player, hence in and out the starting 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Firstly, congratulations to another young hopeful signing up for our beloved club. Secondly, a question of how much we have really missed an out and out winger this season? We know CoD and Pato can play there, we know Semenyo can be dangerous cutting in but it seems a while since we had someone hugging the touchlines, a la Dave Smith, Scott Murray, Junior Bent, Albert Adomah etc. Ok, those examples arent many people's favourites but do we know if NP likes an out and out winger? Thirdly, its been a few years since i used to watch academy games before the Main Event at BS3 so these names mean nothing to me. Has anyone been watching Marlee in his 2 years with us? CoD, Pato & Semenyo couldn't beat their own appendages let alone any full back. Even if they could their delivery (I'll not limit to crosses as they're signally unable to complete those,) is woeful. None are worthy Brylcreem Skirton's barnet. Of the rest of that list the only genuine wingers are Adomah & Smith (amazed his name crops up without mention of his equally excellent partner in tandem 'Marco Van Gavin' - now those were exciting seasons raiding both wings.) Oh for the likes of Walshy and his shuffle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I'm not so sure about that - he made 84 appearances for us over 3 seasons. For me he had plenty of chances and despite his ability to win games for us, he was still developing his all round game, especially his defensive duties - which is probably why he remained a bit of a luxury player, hence in and out the starting 11. For all his skill, sweet left foot and assists, his all-round contribution was lacking imho. His contribution to wins and losses was no different to any other player. There is an argument that at least he was exciting, which is true. But I often felt frustrated that for all the oohs and aahs from his crosses, we became one dimensional with him on the pitch, and if he was getting no joy, we suddenly had no other way of playing. Ultimately the contract situation forced the issue, and at least we got £2.25m for him. But you wonder whether there was scope / desire to improve his all-round game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Nic was a pretty limited footballer. Yes he had a step over in him and moved it on his left for a cross, but you need more than that at this level. He didn’t score enough and his all round game just wasn’t quite good enough imo. Was the right move to let him go. 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: For all his skill, sweet left foot and assists, his all-round contribution was lacking imho. His contribution to wins and losses was no different to any other player. There is an argument that at least he was exciting, which is true. But I often felt frustrated that for all the oohs and aahs from his crosses, we became one dimensional with him on the pitch, and if he was getting no joy, we suddenly had no other way of playing. Ultimately the contract situation forced the issue, and at least we got £2.25m for him. But you wonder whether there was scope / desire to improve his all-round game? This. But you’ve made your point much better than me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, Lew-T said: Nic was a pretty limited footballer. Yes he had a step over in him and moved it on his left for a cross, but you need more than that at this level. He didn’t score enough and his all round game just wasn’t quite good enough imo. Was the right move to let him go. Not a necessary requirement given the amount he assisted in his last season, if he had stayed here and contributed that many assists again then goal scoring would be overlooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Top Robin said: He was treated badly by Johnson - was clearly our best and most exciting player but was not allowed to develop by being dropped, subbed and used as a bit part player - what a waste. I agree with the first half he was a talent but not the second, he played 37 games for us last season. At Nimes this season he has played 20 games and been subbed in most, so I guess there is an argument that maybe Johnson was right but Nimes situation is very different to ours as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 14 hours ago, BTRFTG said: CoD, Pato & Semenyo couldn't beat their own appendages let alone any full back. Even if they could their delivery (I'll not limit to crosses as they're signally unable to complete those,) is woeful. None are worthy Brylcreem Skirton's barnet. Now there’s a blast from the past. A West Country boy, who first starred for Arsenal, I remember him as a fast, strong winger who destroyed City one year whilst playing for Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Now there’s a blast from the past. A West Country boy, who first starred for Arsenal, I remember him as a fast, strong winger who destroyed City one year whilst playing for Blackpool. Forget his silky skills for, as Warren Devon sang,"...his hair was perfect...." He didn't get the career breaks he deserved as was the fashion at the time sides tended to play no more than a single winger and more often were begining to adopt the 'wing-back' midfielder of which Arsenal had a few good 'uns, including Tommy Doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awbb Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Forget his silky skills for, as Warren Devon sang,"...his hair was perfect...." Werewolves of Tiverton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 Future looks good lets hope we will now see the end of these Journeyman coming to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 21 hours ago, Lew-T said: Nic was a pretty limited footballer. Yes he had a step over in him and moved it on his left for a cross, but you need more than that at this level. He didn’t score enough and his all round game just wasn’t quite good enough imo. Was the right move to let him go. This. But you’ve made your point much better than me! Same as COD then? Nic offered a lot more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Redpool said: Same as COD then? Nic offered a lot more Different players. COD is fortunate as he has that burst of pace in him to get away from tight situations. He’s also better defensively than Niclas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, awbb said: Werewolves of Tiverton? Sodding spell checker again, 'Devon' indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 I recall going to Alan Skirton`s testimonial at Yeovil - must have been when he retired as commercial manager down there in 2002. I think it was against an Arsenal X1. I`ve just seen he died in 2019, I must have missed that announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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