Davefevs Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, SBB said: I really like Paul Warne and think he’s done a fantastic job at Rotherham. I hope he doesn’t go to Derby or Cardiff though because I’d be duty bound to wish to see him fail. Kinda how I feel from my post above 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 In respect of Warne and Derby, well 16 months is a long time covering the final game of 2020-21, 2021-22 and this season to date, Warne had this to say in May 2021. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Warne is a good manager, boost for Derby and big loss for Rotherham- they've had a great start and doubt they will get anyone better to replace him with their resources etc. They have been more attack minded too at home anyway this season. Think they had 20 shots v Birmingham, 11 v Blackpool and 11 v Reading. Not vs top sides but that is quite good, vs sides who are likely to be similarly lower midtable and below. Possession in those 3 games also averaged 51-52 pct. Edited September 21, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) .....Derby! Is he the first Captain to swim towards a sinking ship? Apologies, I didn't realise this was old news, feel free to delete it. Edited September 22, 2022 by Curr Avon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 He left a really heartfelt resignation letter to the millers fans which are split in their feeling towards him now he has left. I wonder who they would be able to bring in there? Mark Robins if he gets the boot at Cov? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Amazing that he has had to go to league one to move to what he obviously considers up the ladder in management. Should have been able to get a good championship job. Good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Warnock has been suggested by a few online but he has retired for good now..hasn't he? Ainsworth has been mentioned. Edited September 22, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Will be someone not currently in work I reckon. Can’t see Rotherham paying compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 So Derby couldn’t pay their debts but can pay compensation for a manager when they already had someone competently getting on with the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Warne would have been very high up my list for our next manager. Brilliant, honest, motivational boss. Derby are huge but tough to turn around. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: He left a really heartfelt resignation letter to the millers fans which are split in their feeling towards him now he has left. I wonder who they would be able to bring in there? Mark Robins if he gets the boot at Cov? He played for them for three years - in fact he was there when we had him on loan. Michael O`Neill perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 HMRC accepted 25p / £1. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: HMRC accepted 25p / £1. Disgusting. It sets a dangerous precedent too. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 37 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Disgusting. It sets a dangerous precedent too. So why should the rest of the EFL clubs pay their taxes in full if a crooked club like Derby can get away with this? Indeed, why should I pay my taxes if it's optional for them? 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, chinapig said: So why should the rest of the EFL clubs pay their taxes in full if a crooked club like Derby can get away with this? Indeed, why should I pay my taxes if it's optional for them? It’s the old saying. If you owe the bank/revenue a £1,000, it’s your problem. If you owe them a £1,000,000, it’s there problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 22/09/2022 at 19:02, GrahamC said: Derby are huge but tough to turn around. Sounds like my mother in-law ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, chinapig said: So why should the rest of the EFL clubs pay their taxes in full if a crooked club like Derby can get away with this? Indeed, why should I pay my taxes if it's optional for them? HMRC just send me a tax code every year and tell me what they're taking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 We all saw this coming. But given the state of the public purse and the economy in general this sets a hugely dangerous precedent by HMRC and not just in football. Nothing to stop the owner of a limited company that is struggling to not pay taxes then put the company into administration,buy it back from the administrators at a highly discounted price and pay HMRC 25% of what was originally due. There are more than enough business owners that would take this course of action. Madness, and a real kick in the teeth to individuals and businesses that do pay their dues. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 6 hours ago, ScottishRed said: We all saw this coming. But given the state of the public purse and the economy in general this sets a hugely dangerous precedent by HMRC and not just in football. Nothing to stop the owner of a limited company that is struggling to not pay taxes then put the company into administration,buy it back from the administrators at a highly discounted price and pay HMRC 25% of what was originally due. There are more than enough business owners that would take this course of action. Madness, and a real kick in the teeth to individuals and businesses that do pay their dues. I totally agree. I`ve just sent my paperwork to my accountant and am now nervously awaiting notification of how much tax is due at the end of the year. I`m already trying to work out various options for paying it when I know what it will be, What I should do is take the route you have detailed above and just say **** it, if it`s OK for Derby it`s OK for me but I`m not a cheating, tax-avoiding crook like some football club owners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I totally agree. I`ve just sent my paperwork to my accountant and am now nervously awaiting notification of how much tax is due at the end of the year. I`m already trying to work out various options for paying it when I know what it will be, What I should do is take the route you have detailed above and just say **** it, if it`s OK for Derby it`s OK for me but I`m not a cheating, tax-avoiding crook like some football club owners. "Cheating, tax avoiding crook" sounds like football's interpretation of a "fit and proper person? Edited October 29, 2022 by downendcity 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Big day for Derby today - a turning point, some might say..! After several years of turmoil, it must be days like today that their supporters dreamt of, to get them through those hard times. It's a bit like if we'd had a friendly against Real Madrid, back in 1982/83..! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 19:02, Davefevs said: HMRC accepted 25p / £1. So those who all along stated Derby were lowlife, cheating scumbags were proven right. So come on EFL. You said there were mechanisms to ensure, should Derby fail to repay HMRC in full thus giving them an £18m+ advantage in their accounts, that non-payment would be penalised such they would NOT gain an unfair advantage over their peers. What are you going to do? (I won't hold my breath.....) 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: So those who all along stated Derby were lowlife, cheating scumbags were proven right. So come on EFL. You said there were mechanisms to ensure, should Derby fail to repay HMRC in full thus giving them an £18m+ advantage in their accounts, that non-payment would be penalised such they would NOT gain an unfair advantage over their peers. What are you going to do? (I won't hold my breath.....) There is, I believe the EFL post admin Business Plan. No transfer fees, no loan fees apparently, heavily restricts remuneration...have read to £8m on players, dunno whether that's per year or how it is distributed. All incoming transfers must be approved by the EFL. Whether it's tough enough is a different matter, would be interested to see how othet clubs react to this- I expect that they are or will be interested to say the least.. Remember the EFL is made up of the clubs and the clubs comprise the EFL. Couple of the key details although how exactly they align? £12k per week averaged across say a 25 man squad is a £15m annual wage bill yet the article states £8m per year?? Edited November 4, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: So those who all along stated Derby were lowlife, cheating scumbags were proven right. So come on EFL. You said there were mechanisms to ensure, should Derby fail to repay HMRC in full thus giving them an £18m+ advantage in their accounts, that non-payment would be penalised such they would NOT gain an unfair advantage over their peers. What are you going to do? (I won't hold my breath.....) By the same token, when accused of doing sweetheart deals HMRC issued a statement insisting they always recover the full amount due. Or, as it turns out, not. As to the EFL, there are sanctions for failing to pay taxes but are there sanctions for failing to pay 100% of the amount due? Derby will argue that they have paid the reduced amount agreed by HMRC in full so no action should follow. Kieran Maguire said this week that he had spoken to some owners of Championship clubs who had to borrow to meet their tax liabilities and they are furious. But of course we know from Derby fans that they are special so there is that to take into account. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: There is, I believe the EFL post admin Business Plan. No transfer fees, no loan fees apparently, heavily restricts remuneration...have read to £8m on players, dunno whether that's per year or how it is distributed. All incoming transfers must be approved by the EFL. Whether it's tough enough is a different matter, would be interested to see how othet clubs react to this- I expect that they are or will be interested to say the least.. Remember the EFL is made up of the clubs and the clubs comprise the EFL. Couple of the key details although how exactly they align? £12k per week averaged across say a 25 man squad is a £15m annual wage bill yet the article states £8m per year?? Didn’t stop them poaching another teams manager though.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: There is, I believe the EFL post admin Business Plan. No transfer fees, no loan fees apparently, heavily restricts remuneration...have read to £8m on players, dunno whether that's per year or how it is distributed. All incoming transfers must be approved by the EFL. Whether it's tough enough is a different matter, would be interested to see how othet clubs react to this- I expect that they are or will be interested to say the least.. Remember the EFL is made up of the clubs and the clubs comprise the EFL. Couple of the key details although how exactly they align? £12k per week averaged across say a 25 man squad is a £15m annual wage bill yet the article states £8m per year?? £12k per week in Div 1, Preston in the Championship at £9k? Where's the levelling up? They also appear to have little trouble in signing anybody with a pulse. Some embargo that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: £12k per week in Div 1, Preston in the Championship at £9k? Where's the levelling up? They also appear to have little trouble in signing anybody with a pulse. Some embargo that. I mean, what is not clear is how the £8m costs align with £12k per week. If it's up to £12k each and every week over 2 years them they are potentially spending up to twice their allowance. 25 man squad, £8m x 2 years would still only leave £16m in 2 years on wages yet with up to £12k per week it approached that in Year 1 alone?? Embargo wise, it looks like more of a 'soft' one whereby no transfer fees, loan fees, remuneration within specific parameters, EFL approval required for each signing. Annualised, the average wage would be £6,153 per week. Dunno if that's inclusive or exclusive of NI etc. Edited November 4, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, East Londoner said: Didn’t stop them poaching another teams manager though.. If it was included within the allowed numbers all good although there is something rather objectionable about a compensation fee for a manager beìng in a separate category to one for a player in this context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Annualised, the average wage would be £6,153 per week. Dunno if that's inclusive or exclusive of NI etc. Moot given they've history in not paying NI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Moot given they've history in not paying NI. Think that was a perfect storm of circs that got them over the line but now it would be an instant embargo, don't recall if any other sanctions tied to this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Goodee..........I can't afford my tax bill so I'll just pay a quarter of it and promise not to make any signings ! Jobs a good'un, what can go wrong ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Apparently. No precedent is set by this ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) Further, a good listen here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dcqz9d Log in then listen, seems that as expected Mel Morris was not passing this on. Quantuma used it as a bargaining chip 'If we have to pay the full amount, we cannot sell the club' kinda thing. Or if more has to be paid, it'd be a price whereby the Unsecured Creditors get <25p in the £...we can't sell the club at a price because a points deduction would follow Mel Morris declined the chance to take the loan Kieran Maguire said, Derby a year or so ago said it was the EFL who refused. Derby used the Covid delays etc to the max and went into administration as these came to an end. Edited November 4, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 No surprises here. Another great roll of the dice by Quantuma, was clearly going to fly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: No surprises here. Another great roll of the dice by Quantuma, was clearly going to fly. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: No surprises here. Another great roll of the dice by Quantuma, was clearly going to fly. They might appeal. I think if they do it goes to CAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: They might appeal. I think if they do it goes to CAS. Ssuppose they could in theory but on what grounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 What are the odds on Quantuma getting any work in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said: What are the odds on Quantuma getting any work in the future? I'd be stunned if a football club going into admin took them on...they were hilariously incompetent for most of their tenure despite having at least one with experience of the football Insolvency industry (Andronikou- although his record at Portsmouth when they were in admin wasn't exactly competent. Unsure of his time at Swindon). Some of their tactics might have merit in regular Insolvencies but they were badly out of their depth as far as football related Insolvency regs etc went. Otoh in a regular insolvency I doubt they get tax bill reduced by 2/3 or however much it was. Edited November 19, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Chris Kirchner, yes the once great saviour, has been charged with fraud by the FBI. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Hxj said: Chris Kirchner, yes the once great saviour, has been charged with fraud by the FBI. I'm shocked I tell you shocked! I wonder what his former cheerleader Alan Nixon has to say about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 34 minutes ago, Hxj said: Chris Kirchner, yes the once great saviour, has been charged with fraud by the FBI. Bullet dodged, the evidence seems pretty strong. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/local-companies/2023/02/14/feds-charge-dallas-tech-companys-ex-ceo-in-67-million-fraud/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I presume the Derby fans are right now putting together a huge banner thanking AML checks and the EFL O&D test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I presume the Derby fans are right now putting together a huge banner thanking AML checks and the EFL O&D test. Just had a look at DCFC fans and @Mr Popodopolouswill be surprised to see that they knew he was dodgy all along and never wanted him at the club. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 26 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Just had a look at DCFC fans and @Mr Popodopolouswill be surprised to see that they knew he was dodgy all along and never wanted him at the club. Presumably they are also now raising funds for a statue of Kieran Maguire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Never trust a man who says that Derby reminded him of Kentucky….unless he meant Fried Chicken! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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