JamesBCFC Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nige said he wanted an extremely fit and reliable squad, this signing simply doesn't make sense in that regard. Anyone really believe Baker will make 25 - 30 starts next season, and even if he does, how many games will he finish? He's played less than 30 games a season for us twice. He gets subbed off early a handful of times at most. So yes, I fully expect that he would make 25-30 starts in the season and he would finish the vast majority of those. The bizarre need on here to exaggerate so many things is a bit pathetic (not aimed at yourself specifically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 Seems like a sensible signing to me. Decent defender with a lot of experience at this level. Imagine he's on less money than he was and no transfer fee. Still think we need another centre back mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: He's played less than 30 games a season for us twice. He gets subbed off early a handful of times at most. So yes, I fully expect that he would make 25-30 starts in the season and he would finish the vast majority of those. The bizarre need on here to exaggerate so many things is a bit pathetic (not aimed at yourself specifically). How many seasons has he been with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nige said he wanted an extremely fit and reliable squad, this signing simply doesn't make sense in that regard. Anyone really believe Baker will be fit enough to make 30+ starts next season, and even if he does, how many games will he finish? Yes,,, if baker doesnt stay fit then nige will have fingers pointed at him for this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basshead Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, Robbored said: I just can’t see how Nige can assess what NB is about when he’s not seen him play. Didn't he play last game if not last 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: He's played less than 30 games a season for us twice. He gets subbed off early a handful of times at most. So yes, I fully expect that he would make 25-30 starts in the season and he would finish the vast majority of those. The bizarre need on here to exaggerate so many things is a bit pathetic (not aimed at yourself specifically). I suggest you examine previous Baker threads James, the figures of games started and finished by Baker are all on there, and it looks like they'd surprise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rob k said: How many seasons has he been with us? 5 including his loan. 34 league appearances twice, and 36 in the league for the three seasons where he played more than 30. Some of the games missed will also include suspensions and being dropped from form too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I suggest you examine previous Baker threads James, the figures of games started and finished by Baker are all on there, and it looks like they'd surprise you. Well aware its more than other CBs, that doesn't justify the ridiculous exaggerations of some posts on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saturday Boy Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, CodeRed said: There seems to be a notion that Dave Rennie is some kind of witch doctor who can heal the sick, raise the dead, repair pulled hamstrings instantly, and - the ultimate task- keep Baker fit. The facts are Baker was a sick note at Villa, and throughout his time at City even before Rolls arrived and LJ said a lot of his problems were in his head. He went off in one game because he had a headache - how does Rennie prevent that? Plus Ca change For a headache you'll find that Anadin will be better than Rennie, they'll help indigestion though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Yes,,, if baker doesnt stay fit then nige will have fingers pointed at him for this signing. I don't know about that. Looks to me like Kalas may be off, our intended CB signings have mostly turned us down, and we've found ourselves in a fairly desperate situation where the very strange and risky re-signing of Baker is seen as our best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 He's probably a vegan as well, the bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 Il trust Nige on this, we will see next season what happens. He does play more games than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 Good signing if he can /we can keep him fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I don't know about that. Looks to me like Kalas may be off, our intended CB signings have mostly turned us down, and we've found ourselves in a fairly desperate situation where the very strange and risky re-signing of Baker is seen as our best option. So total supposition on your part. Pearson stated he wants 2 centre backs….there’s one, expect another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, RedRaw said: So total supposition on your part. Pearson stated he wants 2 centre backs….there’s one, expect another Good point but how much could have changed since he said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 I would like to know what the mitigation is for him being sidelined for long periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Rob k said: Played less than 90 games since 2017 - can’t see how this is a good move, and yes i know he’s decent on his day but that day isn’t very often I know what you mean, but he's averaged 31 league games per season from 17/18 to 19/20 then got the injury that kept him out of all but 2 games of last season. For a player like him, chucking himself into tackles, that isn't bad, not great, but not bad. As I said in another thread, I wanted him gone, but last season showed we actually missed him a lot and, if he's got some competition at LCB, whats not to like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Northern Red said: He's probably a vegan as well, the bastard. Ha ha, with such a strong - almost maniacal - opinion like that I could point you to another thread you'd enjoy wading in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, RedRaw said: So total supposition on your part. Pearson stated he wants 2 centre backs….there’s one, expect another Do you think a Nathan Baker on reduced wages was our initial target? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 When Bakes is good, he is good, indeed very good. When Bakes is bad, he literally disappears off the pitch. With the new era, I thought, it was time to reduce injury absenteeism. Time for at least one centre back to start notching goals on a regular basis (ala Flinty style), time for stable effective partnerships - the key being the centre back two. Is that what Bakes is going to bring to the party? Odd one for me. Does make a bit more sense if Kalas is on the move or, possibly, using him as part of a back three, or - dependent on wages - Bakes being the ‘first reserve’ for a new CB pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: Yep and I suspect this will be quite commonplace all over the EFL this summer, players seeing what's out there for them but ultimately realising that they might be better off staying where they are on reduced terms. And I suspect some of them will find the offer that was on the table is no longer there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Yes,,, if baker doesnt stay fit then nige will have fingers pointed at him for this signing. You should send him a very strongly worded letter or e-mail………. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, Northern Red said: He's probably a vegan as well, the bastard. If he was we'd know about it already as he'd have told us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcdc Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon bristol said: Yep, dave rennie will find it easier to walk on water and turn water into wine than keep baker fit, id be surprised if hes not injured by the time the season starts. Sorry, Simon, but you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Do you think a Nathan Baker on reduced wages was our initial target? I doubt it. Probably not but I was responding to a post that assumed that just because we signed baker, kalas is off and every centre back we were going for has turned us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: His contract ends on Wednesday. We've just taken him off the released list and put him on the retained list!! Yes. But with a different contract that is almost certainly considerably less lucrative. Anyway getting away from being captain obvious I would really like to know the ins and outs of this.. Big Nige doesn’t strike me as the sought of bloke who gives out second chances, so I can only guess the contract negotiations have been ongoing with him and the threat of being OOC was a part of the negotiations. Or There is an offer for Kalas and the club are covering their bases double quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 It’s a case of what’s the value for money, for me. The last couple of years, we can safely say we’ve not got VFM from Baker on his rumoured £25-30k per week. If we’ve got him down to around £10k pw and we get 25+ games out of him, then it’s VFM. We know he’s a good defender. It’s the fact we’ve overpaid and he’s underplayed for the last couple of years. And there’s the crux - if he plays and the wages are realistic, fine. If he doesn’t, hindsight will show that many were right to criticise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 It's a much reduced deal. It is similar to the deal I had at Nicholas Wanderers. Free sausage and chips at The Lord Raglan and a yard of ale if he's man of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Jacki said: This is a strange one for me. Baker is a decent player when fit but we all know how injury prone he is. He started a grand total of 1 game throughout the whole of last season and he’s been in and out with injury ever since he joined us. Even on a pay as you play deal I’d say this is a huge risk. Hopefully we’ve done a stringent medical on him and he can stay fit, but history says that seems unlikely. I’m sure he made three appearances last season which included two starts ... but your point still stands. I think that when he’s on song he’s the best defender at the club ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, bcdc said: Sorry, Simon, but you know this how? That id be surprised if hes not injured by the start of the season? I dont know it, but its my opinion based on his availability for us over the last 5 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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