Red Army 75 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: He can concentrate on taking them up now …. Not yet, due back in court for another episode very soon. Then after that he can concentrate on winning the guaranteed promotion. Unless he gets found guilty . Toe rag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Beeb coverage…https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-59513011 5 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: Then promptly gave all the jurors a free season ticket on Row M..... Apparently they were all Fleetwood fans who were delighted he’d left them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) Anybody who spends anytime in a Courtroom will know the bizarre decisions that come from a Jury. As part of the summing up process. Teh defence always goes second; and comes up usually with the biggest load of rubbish in interpreting the evidence. It is then up to the Judge to correct the wrong impression given by the defence, during his "Route to Verdict" speech to the Jury. I'm guessing that the QC (never mess with them in the box). Would be saying in his closing speech. "Stendal didn't see who pushed him, he just turned around and saw Barton, how can you be sure it was my client". "The assistant saw Barton swerve and do it, but can you be sure as a Jury, he wasn't just sticking up for his boss, plus how do we know there wasn't someone else that could have done it? You have to be 100% sure, can you be?" "There is no CCTV, and no evidence to prove beyond doubt that there wasn't anybody else in the tunnel." It's all nonsense of course, but as someone who's spent 20+ years in courtrooms; and done Jury service. There are some people who take the opportunity to find people Not Guilty just because they A) Like the defendant, more than than the Victim. B) Think they are sticking two fingers up to "The System" by finding anybody not guilty regardless of the evidence or C) Get so confused by the evidence (No IQ needed for a jury), that they rely on someone else to tell them what to do. If you have a strong persuasive foreperson (PC there) on a jury; they can swing anybody anyway. The difference with the next trial is there is no jury, only a district Judge. That'll be an interesting case. Edited December 6, 2021 by NcnsBcfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 I see the dog botherer is back in town tomorrow night. Up the Vale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd73 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 HMS piss the league back on track then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Genuinely didn’t see that one coming. Suppose Barton reaping the benefits of paying a QC the big bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: “Stendal didn't see who pushed him, he just turned around and saw Barton, how can you be sure it was my client". "The assistant saw Barton swerve and do it, but can you be sure as a Jury, he wasn't just sticking up for his boss, plus how do we know there wasn't someone else that could have done it? You have to be 100% sure, can you be?" "There is no CCTV, and no evidence to prove beyond doubt that there wasn't anybody else in the tunnel." Bloody hell! Whilst reading that even I started to think he’s not guilty He’ll probably get found not guilty at the next one as well then Sagheads can go back to singing their “Joey Barton, he hits who he wants” song...the cheeky little scumbags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Will the police re-open the case to find out exactly who is the culprit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 It is what it is. Move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, harrys said: Will the police re-open the case to find out exactly who is the culprit? I would guess not, unless new evidence comes to light. It will therefore remain on file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Bloody hell! Whilst reading that even I started to think he’s not guilty He’ll probably get found not guilty at the next one as well then Sagheads can go back to singing their “Joey Barton, he hits who he wants” song...the cheeky little scumbags. That's why the Qc's earn the big bucks. After a while you get to learn their language, as every barrister that i've ever dealt with is in some way or another a Sociopath. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Amazes me , yet again, how the CPS ever saw enough evidence to pursue this all the way to Crown Court. Should have been obvious from the off there were no witnesses and therefore very little chance of a conviction. What a waste of public time and money. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Amazes me , yet again, how the CPS ever saw enough evidence to pursue this all the way to Crown Court. Should have been obvious from the off there were no witnesses and therefore very little chance of a conviction. What a waste of public time and money. Sometimes I think they almost know this but hope that the reputational damage done to some of the more well known people under accusation can be just as bad as an actual conviction. Of course we know that Barton has previous so it's water off a ducks back anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyy66 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RedRaw said: Surely this decision must be based on lack of evidence rather than the jury actually believing he didn’t do it? Nobody has any proof or actually seen him push the other guy over. Correct decision. Regardless of his past. Not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Guilty verdict or not , that’s now JB’s 3rd court appearance for assault with a 4th happening soon . He almost blinds a youth player, beats the crap out of a teammate and serves time for doing likewise to some guy in Liverpool . Only football could pay someone with this track record a substantial salary to manage their business in the public eye . I love the game but it really is a total cesspit at times ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 If he keeps getting away with it, he will just get worse. Eventually he will probably kill someone. Just the sort of person you want managing the Sags if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, richyy66 said: Nobody has any proof or actually seen him push the other guy over. Correct decision. Regardless of his past. Not guilty. It's simply "beyond reasonable doubt"; murderers have been convicted without a body being found. He certainly could have been found guilty of this. Good QC probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Lack of actual evidence or independent witnesses are probably the only reason he was found not guilty. Very lucky man. Wonder what the next court visit will serve up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Sorry… are we all missing the bloke who said he saw him do it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 I think they all knew he was guilty but the worst punishment they could think off was for him to carrying on managing Rovers 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Sorry… are we all missing the bloke who said he saw him do it? Wasn't that the assistant manager though? Guess he wasn't deemed credible enough 1 minute ago, Big C said: I think they all knew he was guilty but the worst punishment they could think off was for him to carrying on managing Rovers Good point. A prison stretch would be a doddle in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Win - Win for us that Case. Joey can now continue his good work for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Sorry… are we all missing the bloke who said he saw him do it? You should know better than anyone that a jury cannot be trusted.... they are unpredictable, and I suspect many were frustrated by the fact they were sat for four days on a trial of a man that allegedly shoulder barged someone and the victim ended up with a bloodied nose. One witness, a presumed friend of the victim, was always unlikely to be enough to convict Josephine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: You should know better than anyone that a jury cannot be trusted.... they are unpredictable, and I suspect many were frustrated by the fact they were sat for four days on a trial of a man that allegedly shoulder barged someone and the victim ended up with a bloodied nose. One witness, a presumed friend of the victim, was always unlikely to be enough to convict Josephine. Oh I don’t need to know about the unpredictable nature of a jury! admittedly we haven’t heard all the evidence the jury did, but everything stacked up nicely and for me, it looked a near certainty - but again that was based on what the press reported. I’d like to see the footage the shows Barton and Stendel into the tunnel and shaking of said tunnel afterwards. That’d be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said: It's simply "beyond reasonable doubt"; murderers have been convicted without a body being found. He certainly could have been found guilty of this. Good QC probably. Indeed, JB elected to go to the Crown Court for trial by jury. Anyone unable to afford an expensive brief probably gets dealt with in the magistrates court represented by the Duty Solicitor and would be waking up tomorrow to a porridge breakfast and a very sore ass! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: If he keeps getting away with it, he will just get worse. Eventually he will probably kill someone. Just the sort of person you want managing the Sags if you ask me. Well his family member is inside for murder, you do wonder about Nature vs nurture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 And I'm sure he will get away with his next trial too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, HoldenBall said: And I'm sure he will get away with his next trial too. Britain has the best justice system that money can buy…. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 The “Shaggy” defence works? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, luke_bristol said: Britain has the best justice system that money can buy…. Unfortunately you are quite correct. If you're privately funded, you get a much much better defence team. With the cuts to legal aid, you'll still get a barrister; who are duty bound to do their best. But if you're paying, you will get the deluxe Solicitor, paralegal, package. There are plenty of firms nowadays that also don't even take on legal aid cases. Depending on the case, people are left scrambling around trying to get a defence team to defend them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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