GrahamC Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Was a tough game for Tyreeq. Fulham simply too good for him in their structured passing and movement. That’s not a criticism, just is what it is. Williams, exactly what we’ve needed in CM….means James doesn’t have to play every minute either. Dynamic player, can do a bit of everything. Made a big difference. Just need to build his minutes up. A big positive today. One small point….great man-management from Nige with Palmer. Many fans would’ve left him out today after the u23s game. Good words from Nige in the press interview pre-match. Yep, but I lost count of the times he watched James put in a challenge, cover a runner, win an aerial battle, he simply didn’t do anywhere near enough. Delighted for Williams & agree he can help James & I for one wouldn’t rule Andy King out, if he has more of a bit part role he won’t let us down. Totally right re Palmer, very smart by Nige today & it paid off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Shout out to Tanner for the same today as well Good point. Must do his confidence a power of good that Nige has trusted him to start 2 tough games in succession too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 There was a play by Fulham where they went wide and cut the ball to the centre. We've conceded penalty of goals this way, but Williams waited on the penalty spot and nicked it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Yep, but I lost count of the times he watched James put in a challenge, cover a runner, win an aerial battle, he simply didn’t do anywhere near enough. Delighted for Williams & agree he can help James & I for one wouldn’t rule Andy King out, if he has more of a bit part role he won’t let us down. Totally right re Palmer, very smart by Nige today & it paid off. Bakinson cannot play in a 2 as has zero mobility. No doubt he has talent when passing but when we play 4-4-2 he should be no where near the team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 All this talk of putting Massengo out wide Best player at the club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Offside said: Williams was superb when he came on, he took the midfield by the scruff of the neck. I was saying to my Nephew on the way back the man changed match. He’s going to be key if he’s past his injury problems. Edited September 25, 2021 by Bodiesaffer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Wasn’t there today but thought Bakinson was decent at QPR. Maybe he just does not suit a 2 man midfield… 4 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: All this talk of putting Massengo out wide Best player at the club. It’s not a death sentence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: All this talk of putting Massengo out wide Best player at the club. What’s wrong with playing out wide? Salah does it… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pl00peh91 said: Thought he changed the game for us in the second half and a big improvement on Bakinson. Enjoyed the fact that he always seemed to look forward for a pass and was getting around the pitch well too for someone who has returned from such a lengthy injury. Hopefully he will be a settled starter for us in the near future next to James. James does need legs around him . Excellent player but not the most mobile . Harrison Reed coming on playing in that area between Kalas & Tanner caused problems, dragging james across & giving their number 24 acres of space on the middle . Don’t like james & Bakinson together personally . Would like to see a midfield three of james, massengo & williams 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: James does need legs around him . Excellent player but not the most mobile . Harrison Reed coming on playing in that area between Kalas & Tanner caused problems, dragging james across & giving their number 24 acres of space on the middle . Don’t like james & Bakinson together personally . Would like to see a midfield three of james, massengo & williams Agreed. Add Pring on the left, and get a quality right-winger/forward in and I think that’s a very decent starting XI for this level. 4-3-3/4-5-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I’ve just recalled another JW highlight today. About 65-70 in, Kalas was lining up a long throw - which today worked quite well. For the first time since he’s started doing them, one of our players ran in to receive the ball instead - Williams. Quick take and ball back led to a great ball from Kalas narrowly headed over by Wells. We all think the throws can be predictable- do that every now and again and they won’t be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brann-red Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: I think it was on about 70-75 minutes, edge of their box, he practically went through two and got the ball. One of those where you can see how he gets yellows, but jeez - that’s commitment Shout out to Tanner for the same today as well That double tackle by tanner in the first half of which the first one was heard around the ground i think .. then the follow up as well would have given him a huge boost . Thought he was decent and those two games will have helped him realise he’s not out of his depth in this division… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Joe looked very good when he came on and of course can only get better, we’ve not seen him with half a dozen consecutive games under his belt yet. Great timing too with Han-Noah sidelined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Very impressive today - can see him starting alongside James on Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, tin said: Agreed. Add Pring on the left, and get a quality right-winger/forward in and I think that’s a very decent starting XI for this level. 4-3-3/4-5-1 To be honest I think Pring had his worst game for us today . He found it tough . No disgrace in that against a very good side. we’ve got a tight squad with competition for places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Massive improvement on Bakinson, who looked out of his depth. He’s got a some work to do to dislodge King from the lineup once both fully fit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Williams definitely made a difference when he came on, in particular there were some tackles that were hard but in my opinion fair which the ref allowed but he would probably not got away with them a year ago. However I feel some of the criticism of Bakinson is unfair. He didn't have his best game in a City shirt but that happens with young players. There was an inference he didn't move us forward but my main complaint about Tyreeq is that he tries to play every ball forward when a simple sideways or backwards pass would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 A fit joe williams is a class player. i would have him along side Matt james against Millwall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Must start Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: To be honest I think Pring had his worst game for us today . He found it tough . No disgrace in that against a very good side. we’ve got a tight squad with competition for places. Agreed, although I doubt he’s come up against the likes of Odoi, who I’ve always rated at this level, and Wilson before. Steep learning curve for the lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Williams definitely made a difference when he came on, in particular there were some tackles that were hard but in my opinion fair which the ref allowed but he would probably not got away with them a year ago. However I feel some of the criticism of Bakinson is unfair. He didn't have his best game in a City shirt but that happens with young players. There was an inference he didn't move us forward but my main complaint about Tyreeq is that he tries to play every ball forward when a simple sideways or backwards pass would be better. He doesn’t compliment james imo as neither are that mobile . It’s not his fault , he’s languid . It’s his style. My problem is he can be lazy on the ball. Against a team you really don’t want to give the ball away to he gave three blind passes first half that nearly put us in trouble . He has to rid that of his game , he did it last season as well. It seems massengo will miss at least another two games so you need energy around james. Williams starts during the week for me. Especially against millwall . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: He doesn’t compliment james imo as neither are that mobile . It’s not his fault , he’s languid . It’s his style. My problem is he can be lazy on the ball. Against a team you really don’t want to give the ball away to he gave three blind passes first half that nearly put us in trouble . He has to rid that of his game , he did it last season as well. It seems massengo will miss at least another two games so you need energy around james. Williams starts during the week for me. Especially against millwall . Agree re no look passes, doesn’t seem to adjust his game depending on where he is on the pitch. Their final third, risk/reward probably justified, our final third, play it safe/sensible. Also agree re Williams starting in terms of performance, just wonder, given how he’s struggled coming back from injuries previously, if Rennie will insist on a more gradual approach. If so, hopefully King fit enough to start as whilst lacks energy of Massengo, has looked solid and has great positional awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Agree re no look passes, doesn’t seem to adjust his game depending on where he is on the pitch. Their final third, risk/reward probably justified, our final third, play it safe/sensible. Also agree re Williams starting in terms of performance, just wonder, given how he’s struggled coming back from injuries previously, if Rennie will insist on a more gradual approach. If so, hopefully King fit enough to start as whilst lacks energy of Massengo, has looked solid and has great positional awareness. Possibly yes. However williams has been in the squad the last few weeks . Judging on what I saw on YouTube of him in a wigan shirt & today . Joe williams doesn’t know how to hold back . Today was a big test , coming in cold ish and dictating play to a certain extent . Getting the ball off the back three & starting attacks . Also noticed how that allowed dasilva to get much higher up the pitch & tick inside allowing baker to receive the ball wider. This squad is evolving quicker than expected . Early days & we’ll be inconsistent but really enjoying watching it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintWonderwall Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Williams was fantastic and changed the game. Bakinson was a complete passenger for 60 minutes. Edited September 25, 2021 by FlintWonderwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Surely he has to play three at the back in future though? Baker is too good a defender to leave out. I’d like to see: Bentley Kalas Atkinson Baker Massengo James Williams Dasilva Palmer Wells Weimann The big advantage of a 3 at the back is due to the fact that the 3 best defenders at the club are centre backs. Our full backs are not at the same level, seen again today. Tanner definitely an improvment on the right, but it must be tempting to play the back three because the wide men are our weakness. I'd like to see a 3 again as it also answers some of attacking problems, seen when Weiman moved to right wing back. Good options to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Just now, intercity said: The big advantage of a 3 at the back is due to the fact that the 3 best defenders at the club are centre backs. Our full backs are not at the same level, seen again today. Tanner definitely an improvment on the right, but it must be tempting to play the back three because the wide men are our weakness. I'd like to see a 3 again as it also answers some of attacking problems, seen when Weiman moved to right wing back. Good options to have. We didn’t start with a 3 though did we ? Looked like 4411 with wiemann doing the massengo narrowing off the right with Pring off the left . Definitely didn’t shape as a back 3 until baker came on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: We didn’t start with a 3 though did we ? Looked like 4411 with wiemann doing the massengo narrowing off the right with Pring off the left . Definitely didn’t shape as a back 3 until baker came on Yes it was a back four initially. I thought we played quite well first half like that, but was always a bit worried about our left side. Dasilva and Pring didn't fill me with confidence and I think Pring was below par. The first part of the second half was very one sided and once Williams and Baker came on, that changed. Well done to Pearson and the team, it looked like we might fold just before 60mins. We didn't and I thought having that back 3, with our est defenders, was a big part of that. And Williams too of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Great management from the sidelines today. Actually buzzing from a game we could have easily lost - feel like something is building 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 A few suggesting he starts the next fixture. Would rather Williams is eased back in with a few cameos before that. Things take time. There’s no rush especially in that area of the pitch. The lad has been out for a long time, a very long time. I’m sure things will be gradual. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I’ve been waiting for Joe Williams to blossom with us. He’s had a terrible time with injuries at City, hopefully that’s well behind him now. I was really excited when he signed, that excitement is still there. Pleased for the lad! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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