Post Match Interview

[Ivorguy]

NP’s interview was, as usual,realistic.  He looked very fed up, as well he might.

I like the way he faces us to the reality.

The next task is for him to raise the players’ game.  I wish him well and certainly don’t envy him.  We can’t expect him to make silk purses out of sows’ ears overnight.  I just hope he doesn’t get so fed up that he walks.

[One Team]

1 minute ago, Ivorguy said:

NP’s interview was, as usual,realistic.  He looked very fed up, as well he might.

I like the way he faces us to the reality.

The next task is for him to raise the players’ game.  I wish him well and certainly don’t envy him.  We can’t expect him to make silk purses out of sows’ ears overnight.  I just hope he doesn’t get so fed up that he walks.

Out of likes but good, sensible post and calls it as I see it too.

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, Ivorguy said:

NP’s interview was, as usual,realistic.  He looked very fed up, as well he might.

I like the way he faces us to the reality.

The next task is for him to raise the players’ game.  I wish him well and certainly don’t envy him.  We can’t expect him to make silk purses out of sows’ ears overnight.  I just hope he doesn’t get so fed up that he walks.

His players were low on confidence and clearly didn’t believe they could get anything out today. That’s on him though. You call them sows ears but they are better players than they showed today. 

[firstdivision]

15 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

NP’s interview was, as usual,realistic.  He looked very fed up, as well he might.

I like the way he faces us to the reality.

The next task is for him to raise the players’ game.  I wish him well and certainly don’t envy him.  We can’t expect him to make silk purses out of sows’ ears overnight.  I just hope he doesn’t get so fed up that he walks.

Ivor, do you mean fed up with his inability to motivate or organise the team? If so, I would have thought him walking away would be perfect - we wouldn’t have to pay him off. 

[BasSavage88]

Won't bother listening to his empty words. 

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Won't bother listening to his empty words. 

On the subject of empty words you still haven’t answered who is paying for Nige to be sacked.

[Bar BS3]

Baffles me, how some people hear his fed up reflection on the things he's not having any positive effect on, as a positive thing...! 

 

[headhunter]

He will never walk as that means forgoing the pay off from the 2.5 year period left on his contract if he were fired or left my mutual consent

[054123]

10 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Won't bother listening to his empty words. 

I don’t know enough about football at this level really, but if we parted ways in Monday who would you recommend take over and rebuild follow the mistakes of Ashton and Lansdown?

Also what would they do with this squad given the FFP time bomb created by the club?

[Numero Uno]

10 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I don’t know enough about football at this level really, but if we parted ways in Monday who would you recommend take over and rebuild follow the mistakes of Ashton and Lansdown?

Also what would they do with this squad given the FFP time bomb created by the club?

That’s not his question to answer. You just come on here, ask for someone to be sacked (paid for by the Owner in effect) and you don’t have to have a clue who is out there that not only could do a better job but would actually come here after they’ve picked themselves up off the floor from their laughing fit.

Or you just appoint Mike Flynn, that will sort things out soon enough.

[sephjnr]

Did he explain his thoughts behind the Tanner sub, and is the bullet still in his foot

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, sephjnr said:

Did he explain his thoughts behind the Tanner sub, and is the bullet still in his foot

He did. Basically said that Tanner started the game very poorly and that was his decision whether people agree with it or not.

[David Brent]

35 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Won't bother listening to his empty words. 

Thanks for letting us know

[BasSavage88]

35 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

On the subject of empty words you still haven’t answered who is paying for Nige to be sacked.

The same person that's payed off the many other mistakes he has hired 

[nellie]

4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

He did. Basically said that Tanner started the game very poorly and that was his decision whether people agree with it or not.

and he is correct 

[BasSavage88]

15 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

That’s not his question to answer. You just come on here, ask for someone to be sacked (paid for by the Owner in effect) and you don’t have to have a clue who is out there that not only could do a better job but would actually come here after they’ve picked themselves up off the floor from their laughing fit.

Or you just appoint Mike Flynn, that will sort things out soon enough.

What is your obsession with me finding his replacement

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

What is your obsession with me finding his replacement

What is your obsession with wanting someone sacked when you know the guy in charge isn’t paying for it and you have no idea who is available anyway?

You are just spouting hot air, empty words if you like.

[JoeAman08]

I was pretty underwhelmed to be honest. Saying similar things after Bournemouth and Forest. Everything he said we know. 
 

What I don’t get is he talked about passengers after last match. Made 1 change to the XI taking out the Man of the Match and goalscorer alex scott. Sure was Massengo but could someone else not been dropped? Weimann looking very much like a passenger since QPR away. 
 

Then starts Tanner and Massengo. Has Scott and Bell on the bench against West Brom who we expect to be a tough match. Then proceeds to say he didn’t want to expose young players too much. Basically made Tanner a scapegoat today when everyone was shit. Then brought on Danny Simpson who can’t run who the proceeded to make the same mistake Tanner did. 
 

Pearson is just flat out getting in wrong lately. Matty James can’t play in a 2 in the championship. In general we don’t really have good enough CMs to do this with any combination. Maybe Massengo and Williams but not sure we’ll ever see that. Then playing Weimann behind the strikers. He struggles with the ball at his feet but was asked to be the link between midfield and attack. He runs a lot. Ok how much has that helped the last 3 games? Baker and Dasilva don’t look right next to each other in the 5. Dasilva also never sprints, rarely puts his body on the line and generally looks a shell of the player he was pre shin injuries. Makes the left side very slow. We continue to have no plan of how to start an attack outside lump it up to Martin no matter what. Their 6’5 cbs won 98% of the aerial duels.

I just can’t see any plan. Making loads of changes for the sake of it now. I see someone struggling for solutions and slowly the players losing patience. His answers today were box standard say we weren’t good enough. Too many individuals didn’t show up. No shit! It was 3-0 and could have been 5 or 6. Things are starting to crumble and I’d have to see a hell of a performance next weekend to say I am wrong. 

[Numero Uno]

5 minutes ago, nellie said:

and he is correct 

I wasn’t there which is why unlike some I never dismissed his decision out of hand.

[Flagon]

He was realistic. And i like the fact he never tries to make out we were in it like some managers do. But it also feels too resigned to losing today so despite the Tanner sub offering a bit of if you don't perform you are coming off it felt a bit pointless doing it. 

But maybe it was a case, he's young and inexperienced at this level saw him struggling a bit so just wanted to shield him from some of the worst of it as he sees him as main RB going forward for now.

I think the players were completely deflated from Tuesday. I think had we won we would definitely have given a better showing today, not to the point where we may have felt like we had a chance of winning but just a better performance. It was really poor today. 

 

[Numero Uno]

7 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

The same person that's payed off the many other mistakes he has hired 

We’re skint in terms of FFFP and it ain’t happening so you might have to find an alternative hobby on a Saturday.

[BasSavage88]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What is your obsession with wanting someone sacked when you know the guy in charge isn’t paying for it and you have no idea who is available anyway?

You are just spouting hot air, empty words if you like.

Becuase he is awful at his job and is making the club worse. It's not spouting hot air it's a football forum.

Are you saying no one can say they want a player / manager / employee out of the club without finding a cost effective and available replacement?

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

We’re skint in terms of FFFP and it ain’t happening so you might have to find an alternative hobby on a Saturday.

So you think if this run continues we won't sack Pearson becuase we can't afford it? 

[054123]

My concern is that the squad is so poor as a whole I just don’t another manager doing anything different.

I was looking at Forest on Tuesday and thinking despite their form prior to Cooper the squad still had Grabban, Johnson, Pumpernickel and Taylor on the bench. Something to work with.

 

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

Becuase he is awful at his job and is making the club worse. It's not spouting hot air it's a football forum.

Are you saying no one can say they want a player / manager / employee out of the club without finding a cost effective and available replacement?

Of course they can but it just gets a bit repetitive with you tbh. What does he do that makes him so awful at his job? You don’t consider the restraints that the Owner has put in place and you don’t consider who is both available and could do a better job. You don’t consider that the owner has effectively given Pearson three years to sort the club out and you want him gone three months into the season.

You don’t consider much tbh.

[tin]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

His players were low on confidence and clearly didn’t believe they could get anything out today. That’s on him though. You call them sows ears but they are better players than they showed today. 

What evidence can you offer to back up that they’re better players than they showed today? Many of them have seen off LJ and Holden already. 

Bentley’s been guilty of making as many costly individual errors as top saves recently

Tanner’s fresh out of L2 (and been a real positive)

Baker’s been knocked out cold

Atkinson’s had the virus and is learning his trade at this level 

Kalas and Dasilva should both be doing better

James is solid if unspectacular 

Massengo is learning his trade, got physically bossed today

Weimann and Martin haven’t been at the races in a while

Wells is starved of service

COD, Vyner, Bakinson, Palmer, Moore — either nowhere near consistent or good enough to make it at this level. 

That looks like a sow’s ear/rabble to me. The legacy of wasting the proceeds from selling the family silver. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by tin

[054123]

4 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Becuase he is awful at his job and is making the club worse. It's not spouting hot air it's a football forum.

Are you saying no one can say they want a player / manager / employee out of the club without finding a cost effective and available replacement?

So you think if this run continues we won't sack Pearson becuase we can't afford it? 

I get that you don’t rate Pearson and want somebody else.

I just think it’s not that simple.

I think Lansdown and Ashton have created a much deeper problem and I honestly have little faith anyone could sort it out.

Lets see where we are after 20 games.

 

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, tin said:

What evidence can you offer to back up that they’re better players than they showed today? Many of them have seen off LJ and Holden already. 

Bentley’s been guilty of making as many costly individual errors as top saves recently

Tanner’s fresh out of L2 (and been a real positive)

Baker’s been knocked out cold

Atkinson’s had the virus and is learning his trade at this level 

Kalas and Dasilva should both be doing better

James is solid if unspectacular 

Massengo is learning his trade, got physically bossed today

Weimann and Martin haven’t been at the races in a while

Wells is starved of service

COD, Vyner, Bakinson, Palmer, Moore — either nowhere near consistent or good enough to make it at this level. 

That looks like a sow’s ear/rabble to me. The legacy of wasting the proceeds from selling the family silver. 

They are all better than they showed today.

[BasSavage88]

8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Of course they can but it just gets a bit repetitive with you tbh. What does he do that makes him so awful at his job? You don’t consider the restraints that the Owner has put in place and you don’t consider who is both available and could do a better job. You don’t consider that the owner has effectively given Pearson three years to sort the club out and you want him gone three months into the season.

You don’t consider much tbh.

He's been here 10 months. In that time he hasn't won a home match that in itself should be enough to get a manager sacked let alone all the other mistakes he seems to make on a regular basis. 

But you know what we can all keep talking about restraints and multiple previous managers and former CEOs until the cows cows come home but at this moment this so called good manager is doing nothing to show a single shred of improvement

Edited October 23, 2021 by BasSavage88

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

I get that you don’t rate Pearson and want somebody else.

I just think it’s not that simple.

I think Lansdown and Ashton have created a much deeper problem and I honestly have little faith anyone could sort it out.

Lets see where we are after 20 games.

 

Absolutely, an Owner who wanted to take a back seat has literally let a couple of bullshitters ruin the club in the short to medium term and had the ******* cheek to tell supporters who could see it all unraveling that they were talking shite.

[Numero Uno]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

He's been here 10 months. In that time he hasn't won a home match that in itself should be enough to get a manager sacked let alone all the other mistakes he seems to make on a regular basis. 

But you know what we can all keep talking about restraints and multiple previous managers and former CEOs until the cows cows come home but at this moment this so called good manager is doing nothing to show it 

I will talk about the previous CEO until the cows come home as it’s that bastard that has ruined this club for the foreseeable future. You can keep Pearson, sack Pearson do whatever but this is a long term fix and people had better get their heads round that.

[054123]

22 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Absolutely, an Owner who wanted to take a back seat has literally let a couple of bullshitters ruin the club in the short to medium term and had the ******* cheek to tell supporters who could see it all unraveling that they were talking shite.

It’s his club and his company who kindly let us use its facilities.

That interview really annoyed me.

Anyway, as my mate said today, it’s done, the past is simply that.

Lets hope we hang on in there this year

Edited October 23, 2021 by 054123

[nellie]

We are a major rebuild project in terms of being a football club (if we are still one?) what cant people understand ?

[Pezo]

10 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I will talk about the previous CEO until the cows come home as it’s that bastard that has ruined this club for the foreseeable future. You can keep Pearson, sack Pearson do whatever but this is a long term fix and people had better get their heads round that.

This. When CEO's ruin things they ruin things for a long time.

Players can ruin a games, Managers can ruin a season, C level execs ruin things for years, owners can ruin things for decades.

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, Pezo said:

This. When CEO's ruin things they ruin things for a long time.

Players can ruin a games, Managers can ruin a season, C level execs ruin things for years, owners can ruin things for decades.

Great summary.

[JoeAman08]

4 minutes ago, nellie said:

We are a major rebuild project in terms of being a football club (if we are still one?) what cant people understand ?

We can’t understand how we aren’t able to press teams into mistakes. We can’t understand why we aren’t winning 50/50 balls. These are the basics we were told would be better this season. Reckon only the case in maybe half the games this season. 
 

2000 fans at West Brom will tell you how it is. Chants of you don’t know what you’re doing. You’re not fit to wear the shirt. We’re ******* shit. Then going into songs for players like Diedhiou, Freeman and Bobby Reid. That team out there today weren’t a team to be proud of and I think that is the bare minimum we are asking but we just are not getting. We lose 3-0 today while being aggressive and trying to make life difficult so be it. Instead we had 15 players who mostly didn’t know what they were doing. It wasn’t just a loss it was an embarrassment. No pride and no fight. 

[nellie]

2 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

We can’t understand how we aren’t able to press teams into mistakes. We can’t understand why we aren’t winning 50/50 balls. These are the basics we were told would be better this season. Reckon only the case in maybe half the games this season. 
 

2000 fans at West Brom will tell you how it is. Chants of you don’t know what you’re doing. You’re not fit to wear the shirt. We’re ******* shit. Then going into songs for players like Diedhiou, Freeman and Bobby Reid. That team out there today weren’t a team to be proud of and I think that is the bare minimum we are asking but we just are not getting. We lose 3-0 today while being aggressive and trying to make life difficult so be it. Instead we had 15 players who mostly didn’t know what they were doing. It wasn’t just a loss it was an embarrassment. No pride and no fight. 

Because the previous regime left us up a creek without a paddle with a squad that is mainly shit   

Edited October 23, 2021 by nellie

[BasSavage88]

3 minutes ago, nellie said:

Because the previous regime left us up a creek without a paddle with a squad that is mainly shit   

And this is why Pearson will.put us back even more 

[nellie]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

And this is why Pearson will.put us back even more 

who can take us further ?

[JoeAman08]

1 minute ago, nellie said:

Because the previous regime left us up a creek without a paddle with a squad that is mainly shit   

Yes I get that. What I am saying is today wasn’t a talent issue. It was an effort issue. Talent wise we aren’t close to West Brom. No shame in losing away to West Brom.
 

The shame was the lack of effort and energy. There didn’t seem to be a game plan. Players looked lost. Not sure we won one second ball. We were second in every department. That isn’t good enough. It is a feeling of players not buying what NP and co are instructing. 

[Top Robin]

1 hour ago, Ivorguy said:

NP’s interview was, as usual,realistic.  He looked very fed up, as well he might.

I like the way he faces us to the reality.

The next task is for him to raise the players’ game.  I wish him well and certainly don’t envy him.  We can’t expect him to make silk purses out of sows’ ears overnight.  I just hope he doesn’t get so fed up that he walks.

Pearson has brought in 5 players of his choice which should have been enough to make that team better......basically they haven't improved the team enough and some might say, not at all. 

He should have brought in a forward but didn't and he has persevered with two average ones.

Plus with his managerial experience, he should have been able to improve some of the players we already had but he hasn't.

He has frankly been very disappointing as a manager. 

 

[nellie]

1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

Pearson has brought in 5 players of his choice which should have been enough to make that team better......basically they haven't improved the team enough and some might say, not at all. 

He should have brought in a forward but didn't and he has persevered with two average ones.

Plus with his managerial experience, he should have been able to improve some of the players we already had but he hasn't.

He has frankly been very disappointing as a manager. 

 

those 5 players were to try help us stay up and give us some sell one value going forward 

[JoeAman08]

Just now, Top Robin said:

Pearson has brought in 5 players of his choice which should have been enough to make that team better......basically they haven't improved the team enough and some might say, not at all. 

He should have brought in a forward but didn't and he has persevered with two average ones.

Plus with his managerial experience, he should have been able to improve some of the players we already had but he hasn't.

He has frankly been very disappointing as a manager. 

 

Yes and another issue is why he was so against a loan. As you say, a forward was needed. Loan is a decent option to have for a short term target. Like staying up for example. 

[IAmNick]

5 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Pearson has brought in 5 players of his choice which should have been enough to make that team better......basically they haven't improved the team enough and some might say, not at all. 

He should have brought in a forward but didn't and he has persevered with two average ones.

Plus with his managerial experience, he should have been able to improve some of the players we already had but he hasn't.

He has frankly been very disappointing as a manager. 

 

I think Tanner, Atkinson, and James have all made the team better. Tanner and Atkinson are just the type of player I'd like us to be signing, and James is a better quality than we're used to imo.

I'd say Massengo has markedly improved since Pearson has been here.

I agree it's disappointing we haven't brought in a forward, but I'd also rather we concentrated on being solid before that - whether that's happened or not is another discussion, but I think it's the right approach. We weren't going to challenge at the right end of the table this year, and that's what a forward can do you for you.

I'd be interested who or what you'd have sacrificed for that forward?

Edited October 23, 2021 by IAmNick

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yes and another issue is why he was so against a loan. As you say, a forward was needed. Loan is a decent option to have for a short term target. Like staying up for example. 

Any names you can think of?

I think he fully intended having Conway around the squad this season but he’s been injured.

[JoeAman08]

Just now, GrahamC said:

Any names you can think of?

I think he fully intended having Conway around the squad this season but he’s been injured.

I can name players but idk who was available. The club would have agents, loan managers or academy managers they could contact and get a list I am sure. 
 

I like Conway a lot and think he will be a good player. Big ask though to rely on his form keeping us up though. Bit negligent saying we have enough goals in Wells, Weimann, Martin and Conway isn’t it? 

[David Brent]

20 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

We can’t understand how we aren’t able to press teams into mistakes. We can’t understand why we aren’t winning 50/50 balls. These are the basics we were told would be better this season. Reckon only the case in maybe half the games this season. 
 

2000 fans at West Brom will tell you how it is. Chants of you don’t know what you’re doing. You’re not fit to wear the shirt. We’re ******* shit. Then going into songs for players like Diedhiou, Freeman and Bobby Reid. That team out there today weren’t a team to be proud of and I think that is the bare minimum we are asking but we just are not getting. We lose 3-0 today while being aggressive and trying to make life difficult so be it. Instead we had 15 players who mostly didn’t know what they were doing. It wasn’t just a loss it was an embarrassment. No pride and no fight. 

People expecting us to press away at West Brom

[sephjnr]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

I wasn’t there which is why unlike some I never dismissed his decision out of hand.

I was there, I was incredulous and every time I see that replay that incredulity is, IMO, justified.

[JoeAman08]

8 minutes ago, David Brent said:

People expecting us to press away at West Brom

You don’t have to press the full length of the pitch. You can sit back and press in your half. Instead we watched them pass around us without a care in the world. 

[Waconda]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

His players were low on confidence and clearly didn’t believe they could get anything out today. That’s on him though. You call them sows ears but they are better players than they showed today. 

Absolutely.

Not many keen to take up seats on that bus under this manager sadly.

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, headhunter said:

He will never walk as that means forgoing the pay off from the 2.5 year period left on his contract if he were fired or left my mutual consent

It will be the later.

15 minutes ago, David Brent said:

People expecting us to press away at West Brom

Yes, yes, yes.

[Top Robin]

14 minutes ago, David Brent said:

People expecting us to press away at West Brom

Wtf not! 

Yeh let's sit back and defend and see what happens

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

I was pretty underwhelmed to be honest. Saying similar things after Bournemouth and Forest. Everything he said we know. 
 

What I don’t get is he talked about passengers after last match. Made 1 change to the XI taking out the Man of the Match and goalscorer alex scott. Sure was Massengo but could someone else not been dropped? Weimann looking very much like a passenger since QPR away. 
 

Then starts Tanner and Massengo. Has Scott and Bell on the bench against West Brom who we expect to be a tough match. Then proceeds to say he didn’t want to expose young players too much. Basically made Tanner a scapegoat today when everyone was shit. Then brought on Danny Simpson who can’t run who the proceeded to make the same mistake Tanner did. 
 

Pearson is just flat out getting in wrong lately. Matty James can’t play in a 2 in the championship. In general we don’t really have good enough CMs to do this with any combination. Maybe Massengo and Williams but not sure we’ll ever see that. Then playing Weimann behind the strikers. He struggles with the ball at his feet but was asked to be the link between midfield and attack. He runs a lot. Ok how much has that helped the last 3 games? Baker and Dasilva don’t look right next to each other in the 5. Dasilva also never sprints, rarely puts his body on the line and generally looks a shell of the player he was pre shin injuries. Makes the left side very slow. We continue to have no plan of how to start an attack outside lump it up to Martin no matter what. Their 6’5 cbs won 98% of the aerial duels.

I just can’t see any plan. Making loads of changes for the sake of it now. I see someone struggling for solutions and slowly the players losing patience. His answers today were box standard say we weren’t good enough. Too many individuals didn’t show up. No shit! It was 3-0 and could have been 5 or 6. Things are starting to crumble and I’d have to see a hell of a performance next weekend to say I am wrong. 

I agree with you.

I struggle to see what our plan is. I get the impression that NP has a style that he’s determined to stick too, although I’m not really sure what it is, and I’m not sure the players know either. Or at least, if they do, it’s not one that they are comfortable with. 

You can’t go on forever blaming the legacy NP has inherited. There are some good players in our squad. All managers inherit the previous managers players and have to live with it for several years (in most cases throughout their tenure).

They have to make the best use of the players they’ve got. Set up to their strengths. We don’t seem to be doing that. We’re trying to play to a pattern and a style that doesn’t suit most of our players.

Our lumping it up to Martin is, as you say, depressingly routine and depressingly ineffective. There was a spell against Forest when we had Weimann and Wells up front, Scott behind. We actually played it on the deck, we moved and created spaces, we gave Forest something to think about. I’d like to see us set up like that. And arguably that would have been more effective against the giants in the WBA defence.

I’ve  not been a great Wells fan, but I thought he had a good second half today, found spaces, made good runs, gave defenders a problem on the ground. But he has precious little support, and no-one else playing off that space.

As someone who was there, I was surprised by the Tanner sub. I didn’t think he was any worse than others, and bringing on someone who’s hardly had a game all season seemed odd. 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by italian dave

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

He did. Basically said that Tanner started the game very poorly and that was his decision whether people agree with it or not.

 

1 hour ago, nellie said:

and he is correct 

Tanner was playing poorly, in addition to which he had just made a horrendous back pass: he is also very young and, at this level, extremely inexperienced.

NP replaced Riley Towler to protect him, and I see nothing different in today’s decision regarding GT.

Neither RT nor GR are poor players; on the contrary, and I hope very much they will prove to be the mainstay of our defence in the next few years.

Why would you risk their long term confidence leaving them on the pitch at such a young age?

[Redtucks]

1 hour ago, 054123 said:

I don’t know enough about football at this level really, but if we parted ways in Monday who would you recommend take over and rebuild follow the mistakes of Ashton and Lansdown?

Chris Hughton was high on the OTIB list a while ago!

As was Mick McCarthy!

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Redtucks

[JoeAman08]

3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I agree with you.

I struggle to see what our plan is. I get the impression that NP has a style that he’s determined to stick too, although I’m not really sure what it is, and I’m not sure the players know either. Or at least, if they do, it’s not one that they are comfortable with. 

You can’t go on forever blaming the legacy NP has inherited. There are some good players in our squad. All managers inherit the previous managers players and have to live with it for several years (in most cases throughout their tenure).

They have to make the best use of the players they’ve got. Set up to their strengths. We don’t seem to be doing that. We’re trying to play to a pattern and a style that doesn’t suit most of our players.

Our lumping it up to Martin is, as you say, depressingly routine and depressingly ineffective. There was a spell against Forest when we had Weimann and Wells up front, Scott behind. We actually played it on the deck, we moved and created spaces, we gave Forest something to think about. I’d like to see us set up like that. And arguably that would have been more effective against the giants in the WBA defence.

I’ve  not been a great Wells fan, but I thought he had a good second half today, found spaces, made good runs, gave defenders a problem on the ground. But he has precious little support, and no-one else playing off that space.

As someone who was there, I was surprised by the Tanner sub. I didn’t think he was any worse than others, and bringing on someone who’s hardly had a game all season seemed odd. 

 

Yep I was there too and your post is 100% how I feel about everything. Horrible day, odd decisions and maybe a couple small positives like Wells. 

[TomThumb84]

2 hours ago, BasSavage88 said:

Won't bother listening to his empty words. 

You are the most empty poster on here. 

[BasSavage88]

1 minute ago, TomThumb84 said:

You are the most empty poster on here. 

Brilliant 

[TomThumb84]

4 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Brilliant 

My friend, you are a pest on here. You contribute nothing and find yourself mildly amusing.

Be constructive, offer football opinion, suggest improvement options, or just do not bother.

Ironically you are about as effective as the player in the profile name you chose. Largely meaningless and a figure of ridicule.

[BasSavage88]

Just now, TomThumb84 said:

My friend, you are a pest on here. You contribute nothing and find yourself mildly amusing.

Be constructive, offer football opinion, suggest improvement options, or just do not bother.

Ironically you are about as effective as the player in the profile name you chose. Largely meaningless and a figure of ridicule.

What the **** is there to be constructive about? Pearson isn't the man for this job but id be happy to be proven wrong.

I don't want and or need to be constructive as I don't think Pearson can or will improve 

[TomThumb84]

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

What the **** is there to be constructive about? Pearson isn't the man for this job but id be happy to be proven wrong.

I don't want and or need to be constructive as I don't think Pearson can or will improve 

Log off mate. You offer zero.

[BasSavage88]

7 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

Log off mate. You offer zero.

Why? Becuase I have a different opinion to you? 

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, BasSavage88 said:

What is your obsession with me finding his replacement

Maybe he thinks you are on the board of the club or in some advisory capacity? 
 

chris wilder is the obvious name that we should have gone for.

[KegCity]

14 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I agree with you.

I struggle to see what our plan is. I get the impression that NP has a style that he’s determined to stick too, although I’m not really sure what it is, and I’m not sure the players know either. Or at least, if they do, it’s not one that they are comfortable with. 

You can’t go on forever blaming the legacy NP has inherited. There are some good players in our squad. All managers inherit the previous managers players and have to live with it for several years (in most cases throughout their tenure).

They have to make the best use of the players they’ve got. Set up to their strengths. We don’t seem to be doing that. We’re trying to play to a pattern and a style that doesn’t suit most of our players.

Our lumping it up to Martin is, as you say, depressingly routine and depressingly ineffective. There was a spell against Forest when we had Weimann and Wells up front, Scott behind. We actually played it on the deck, we moved and created spaces, we gave Forest something to think about. I’d like to see us set up like that. And arguably that would have been more effective against the giants in the WBA defence.

I’ve  not been a great Wells fan, but I thought he had a good second half today, found spaces, made good runs, gave defenders a problem on the ground. But he has precious little support, and no-one else playing off that space.

As someone who was there, I was surprised by the Tanner sub. I didn’t think he was any worse than others, and bringing on someone who’s hardly had a game all season seemed odd. 

 

In terms of style I think long-term he wants us to play a 4-2-3-1, which isn’t the best fit for the current squad. He persevered with it at the start of the season before switching to a back 3 (which the squad is set up for). Think that’s just a short-term fix to try and get some results on the board but who knows.

You can’t really discuss this season without mentioning the legacy he inherited as it provides so much context for the state of affairs on the pitch. Yes managers have to make the best of it, yes we should be doing better at home, but ultimately too many of the squad just aren’t good enough. Can’t see many current players still being at the club at the end of next season.
 

In terms of style of play I’m not sure if there’s one style we would suit as we have such a mix of players. Some suit pressing, some suit counterattacking, some suit a long ball. Again, this stems from the legacy NP inherited.

That being said, the style of play and results of recent games have been terrible after some good performances early in the season. Feels like we’ve been here before doesn’t it? Some strange decision making from the dugout, the only explanation for Tanner’s substitution I can think of was to take him out of firing line as he’s been having a good season so far.

I think he’s fine unless we’re touching the relegation zone, regardless of who’s in charge this is not an overnight fix and I can’t see anyone realistically available better to lead it other than Pearson.

8 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Maybe he thinks you are on the board of the club or in some advisory capacity? 
 

chris wilder is the obvious name that we should have gone for.

If we had any chance of getting him in I’d agree, but that’s not happening.

[TomThumb84]

11 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Why? Becuase I have a different opinion to you? 

No. For the reasons I said. 

[Fuber]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

They are all better than they showed today.

Disagree with this. If I'm being honest.

Kalas, for me, while he can be a good defender does not communicate enough - period. Especially with more inexperience players either side of him in Atkinson and Tanner.

Jay and Kasey have provided a return nowhere near the £6m we forked out for the pair.

Bents has wonder saves and howlers in equal measure. Theres a reason Brentford upgraded to Raya. Arguably his distribution has been woeful lately. For me he needs dropping - but then he's also captain.

Martin and Weimann simply aren't good enough physically in the former's case and technically in the latters.

I could go on.

I realise there is a degree of, if they could do all of X y and Z they'd be PL,  true, it'd be good if they could prove to just be solid at this level. Which none of proven whatsoever, there been zero consistency.

Of this squad, the only ones I'd look at keeping are O'Leary (Never had a string of games since Villa), Atkinson, Pring, James (who I think must need a rest), Tanner, Massengo, and Scott.

While as squad options I'd keep the academy prospects such as Semenyo, Vyner, Towler, Bell, Conway, Janneh, and Benarous. With a couple to be loaned out as need for gametime. Purely on a cost basis.

Everybody else could be binned, sold, or released, and I don't think I'd bat an eyelid.

O'Dowda, Bakinson, Palmer, King, Simpson, DaSilva, Weimann, Wells, Weimann, Martin, Moore, etc etc. Wouldn't care, if anything I'd be glad if the wages saved.

If we could get money from any of Kalas and Bents, Id snap their hand off. Think we may see some really cutthroat transfers over the next 18 months.

I've said it before, but for me, we - along with Millwall and Hull, must have one of the most technically inferior squads at this level.

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Disagree with this. If I'm being honest.

Kalas, for me, while he can be a good defender does not communicate enough - period. Especially with more inexperience players either side of him in Atkinson and Tanner.

Jay and Kasey have provided a return nowhere near the £6m we forked out for the pair.

Bents has wonder saves and howlers in equal measure. Theres a reason Brentford upgraded to Raya. Arguably his distribution has been woeful lately. For me he needs dropping - but then he's also captain.

Martin and Weimann simply aren't good enough physically in the former's case and technically in the latters.

I could go on.

I realise there is a degree of, if they could do all of X y and Z they'd be PL,  true, it'd be good if they could prove to just be solid at this level. Which none of proven whatsoever, there been zero consistency.

Of this squad, the only ones I'd look at keeping are O'Leary (Never had a string of games since Villa), Atkinson, Pring, James (who I think must need a rest), Tanner, Massengo, and Scott.

While as squad options I'd keep the academy prospects such as Semenyo, Vyner, Towler, Bell, Conway, Janneh, and Benarous. With a couple to be loaned out as need for gametime. Purely on a cost basis.

Everybody else could be binned, sold, or released, and I don't think I'd bat an eyelid.

O'Dowda, Bakinson, Palmer, King, Simpson, DaSilva, Weimann, Wells, Weimann, Martin, Moore, etc etc. Wouldn't care, if anything I'd be glad if the wages saved.

If we could get money from any of Kalas and Bents, Id snap their hand off. Think we may see some really cutthroat transfers over the next 18 months.

I've said it before, but for me, we - along with Millwall and Hull, must have one of the most technically inferior squads at this level.

Did you watch the game? Every player put in their worst performance of the season, hence I said they are all better players than they showed today. That’s all I’ve said. I’m puzzled how you can disagree with that really. They were all incredibly poor today and are all better than they produced. 

I think your reply shows we are talking at cross purposes 

[ScottishRed]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yes and another issue is why he was so against a loan. As you say, a forward was needed. Loan is a decent option to have for a short term target. Like staying up for example. 

As I am sure you understand Joe, loans actually cost money - there is firstly the loan fee, which for a young EPL player could be around £1m for the season. Then you have to pick up a % , or maybe all, of their wages.

Some , if not all , of these guys are on serious money, Tammy for example, when he was here, was on £25k a week at Chelsea - I have no idea how much of that we paid but I guess a fair amount.

Oh, one more thing, we are broke thanks to Swiss Tony and LJ, so none of that is possible nowadays.

Edited October 23, 2021 by ScottishRed

[TomThumb84]

Fact is, we went there expecting to lose but to keep it respectable.

Players do this. Trust me. It was the mindset.

This is a measure of where we are as a club and the job ahead.

[Fuber]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Did you watch the game? Every player put in their worst performance of the season, hence I said they are all better players than they showed today. That’s all I’ve said. I’m puzzled how you can disagree with that really. They were all incredibly poor today and are all better than they produced. 

I think your reply shows we are talking at cross purposes 

Apologies, my view was in the context of the last few games as well as today.

I was more referencing that I believe some on this board massively overestimate how good a few of our players are. Quoting your post in particular was likely just short sighted of me while I unknowingly went on a tangent.

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Apologies, my view was in the context of the last few games as well as today.

I was more referencing that I believe some on this board massively overestimate how good a few of our players are. Quoting your post in particular was likely just short sighted of me while I unknowingly went on a tangent.

I think individually the players are mostly all mid table ish players. What they don’t have is any confidence and seemingly a coherent plan to work too.  Forests players have gone from not good enough to play off contenders all because of a new manager. Just got to hope Pearson can get us there.