Desso Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Just watched the replay and didn't realise that the open goal miss from Weimann, in the first half, was so bad. He had half the goal to pass into but slipped and chance gone. 2 nil then would have given us the game, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 To be fair to him he was already falling backwards when the ball squirmed free. Can't blame him for missing a sitter just unfortunate imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, Desso said: Just watched the replay and didn't realise that the open goal miss from Weimann, in the first half, was so bad. He had half the goal to pass into but slipped and chance gone. 2 nil then would have given us the game, probably. Add the Wells free header and that shows clearly our problem, no quality in front of goal. They had one chance? The lad buried it, a great strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Was that the chance where the defender half blocked the ball getting to him at the far post? If so, from my view the ball didn’t get to him. Just about to watch Quest…was it shown on there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 He was already falling (possibly pushed) before the ball got to him, but could have got his toe to it perhaps. Looks like an easier chance than it was IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, Countryfile said: Add the Wells free header and that shows clearly our problem, no quality in front of goal. They had one chance? The lad buried it, a great strike. An absolute horror decision by Kalas to head that ball though. Shouldn’t have even had the chance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: I think he misjudged it. Swung his leg too early and the ball hit his backside! Probably just needed a controlled side foot finish Did Brereton slow the ball down? Is it on Quest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Did Brereton slow the ball down? Is it on Quest? It was an odd scenario and something happened as the ball came across, Weimann was definitely falling backwards as the ball came over, maybe a deflection, I thought he may have been pushed - not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 He is not a natural finisher as his record proves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Take it you screen recorded it? If so, can you pop the full video sequence on here please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Just now, JonDolman said: Yeah no problem will have to later though Ta….did you go yesterday? If so, how did you set your screen recorder…and how many mb/gb is a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Countryfile said: Add the Wells free header and that shows clearly our problem, no quality in front of goal. They had one chance? The lad buried it, a great strike. This again? Sorry but the myth that we aren't clinical has been lingering for years and is a load of rubbish. This season, on average we score every 9.4 shots, or every 3 shots on target. Our opposition, taken as a whole (so an average of 18 teams with a range of ability), score every 9.6 shots, or every 3.1 shots on target. we're roughly as clinical as our average opponent. In terms of shot conversion Weimann is 17th out of all players who have taken 10 or more shots so far. Weimann is having a good season, and has scored more than his xG would suggest he might have done. Essentially he has been converting difficult chances. Both he and Chris Martin get more than 40% of their shots on target. Wells is admittedly having a poor season, but even he is getting 36% on target. We have lost Diedhiou, who was always pretty clinical and consistent, but to say we have 'no quality' in front of goal is simply wrong. The problem isn't the quality, it's the quantity of shots we are taking - that is why we aren't scoring many. As for their one chance, 95% of the time that shot is blazed over, or smashes into the side netting. Brereton hit it sweetly and it went in. Brereton is also performing better than the average striker this season. A single shot and goal does not prove him to be 10x the player Weimann is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, Super said: He is not a natural finisher as his record proves. Barnsley ? Rarely played as a striker, decent record for a wide man/midfielder in a poor team I would guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: No I have not been going this season. Bloody loads of MB/GB! I bought a new Mac recently and now regret not buying the one with double the GB than mine has. Basically you probably can't have much already on your system, but can't remember how much a game uses up. Will look later and let you know. When I screen record, it writes to Desktop which is part of iCloud and therefore takes a while to become available (it has to save it / back up to the cloud). Must check to see if it can save directly to another drive. Probably cheaper to buy an external HDD and just copy to that after each game? My time machine back-ups are to a separate HDD as otherwise they Mac’s HDD fills up to quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: This again? Sorry but the myth that we aren't clinical has been lingering for years and is a load of rubbish. This season, on average we score every 9.4 shots, or every 3 shots on target. Our opposition, taken as a whole (so an average of 18 teams with a range of ability), score every 9.6 shots, or every 3.1 shots on target. we're roughly as clinical as our average opponent. In terms of shot conversion Weimann is 17th out of all players who have taken 10 or more shots so far. Weimann is having a good season, and has scored more than his xG would suggest he might have done. Essentially he has been converting difficult chances. Both he and Chris Martin get more than 40% of their shots on target. Wells is admittedly having a poor season, but even he is getting 36% on target. We have lost Diedhiou, who was always pretty clinical and consistent, but to say we have 'no quality' in front of goal is simply wrong. The problem isn't the quality, it's the quantity of shots we are taking - that is why we aren't scoring many. As for their one chance, 95% of the time that shot is blazed over, or smashes into the side netting. Brereton hit it sweetly and it went in. Brereton is also performing better than the average striker this season. A single shot and goal does not prove him to be 10x the player Weimann is. Was hardly a free header either…was actually really good movement, and had to generate all the power as the cross had no pace on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Was hardly a free header either…was actually really good movement, and had to generate all the power as the cross had no pace on it. I thought that. Edited November 21, 2021 by VT05763 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Was hardly a free header either…was actually really good movement, and had to generate all the power as the cross had no pace on it. This is the one towards the end, where Massengo dinks it over the top? Just watched it back, and whilst he's not got a defender on top of him (because he checks himself and then cuts across the back of their no.5) it's not easy. The ball is coming from behind him, and Massengo has put a cock load of back spin on it. He has to generate all the power with his neck, and forces Kaminski into a fine save. I think Infogol rated it at 0.31xG, and as our best chance of the match. Still, far from a certain goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Super said: He is not a natural finisher as his record proves. Yes wieman is good at so many ways but he is not a natural goal scorer. But that a tough chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: This again? Sorry but the myth that we aren't clinical has been lingering for years and is a load of rubbish. This season, on average we score every 9.4 shots, or every 3 shots on target. Our opposition, taken as a whole (so an average of 18 teams with a range of ability), score every 9.6 shots, or every 3.1 shots on target. we're roughly as clinical as our average opponent. In terms of shot conversion Weimann is 17th out of all players who have taken 10 or more shots so far. Weimann is having a good season, and has scored more than his xG would suggest he might have done. Essentially he has been converting difficult chances. Both he and Chris Martin get more than 40% of their shots on target. Wells is admittedly having a poor season, but even he is getting 36% on target. We have lost Diedhiou, who was always pretty clinical and consistent, but to say we have 'no quality' in front of goal is simply wrong. The problem isn't the quality, it's the quantity of shots we are taking - that is why we aren't scoring many. As for their one chance, 95% of the time that shot is blazed over, or smashes into the side netting. Brereton hit it sweetly and it went in. Brereton is also performing better than the average striker this season. A single shot and goal does not prove him to be 10x the player Weimann is. Who has said he is ten times the player Weimann is? You can quote as many stats as you and others like, my eyes saw two very presentable chances by Weimann and Wells fail to produce the goals they should have. Those chances were created and poor execution failed to convert them. Don’t know where the 95% of the time stat came from? Is that a stat fact or an attempt to reinforce your post? I saw a superbly struck shot go between our posts and under the crossbar, beating our goalkeeper, something our forwards do too infrequently at the other end as shown yesterday. We could argue endlessly about what constitutes a stat that warrants consideration when determining good or poor play, for instance a weak shot easily saved by the keeper would I presume count as a shot on target when it had absolutely no chance of becoming a goal, which is the only stat that really matters, and is therefore a pretty meaningless stat. I agree we don’t create enough chances, and that needs addressing, but it isn’t a myth that Wells, Martin and Weimann do not score enough goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: An absolute horror decision by Kalas to head that ball though. Shouldn’t have even had the chance I said in a previous post he is making individual errors that is costing us goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Just now, JonDolman said: Wells chance wasn't easy imo In real time and watching from my seat it was a free unchallenged header from close in, chances don’t get much easier I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 10 goal involvements by November, I will not see any Weimann criticism today! We’d be buried without his goals, he’s been scoring at the best rate of his career. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Countryfile said: Who has said he is ten times the player Weimann is? No one said it expressly, I implied it. You can quote as many stats as you and others like, my eyes saw two very presentable chances by Weimann and Wells fail to produce the goals they should have. Those chances were created and poor execution failed to convert them. Ok, so that is an analysis of two shots. I have analysed 34 shots for Weimann, 32 from Martin, and Wells' 19. I've given you some of the shot on target % for those. I believe that looking at a sample of nearly 100 shots will give us a better idea of the fair 'quality' that we have in fornt of goal, than your analysis of two shots will. Don’t know where the 95% of the time stat came from? Is that a stat fact or an attempt to reinforce your post? I saw a superbly struck shot go between our posts and under the crossbar, beating our goalkeeper, something our forwards do too infrequently at the other end as shown yesterday. It garnered an xG of 0.06, so fair enough. It's more like 94% of the time. We could argue endlessly about what constitutes a stat that warrants consideration when determining good or poor play, for instance a weak shot easily saved by the keeper would I presume count as a shot on target when it had absolutely no chance of becoming a goal, which is the only stat that really matters, and is therefore a pretty meaningless stat. Which is why I look at xG. Goals scored is the ultimate derivative stat. It depends on all others, and so whilst it may be the one that decides games, it is far from the "only stat that really matters". I agree we don’t create enough chances, and that needs addressing, but it isn’t a myth that Wells, Martin and Weimann do not score enough goals. Agreed that we don't create enough chances, or score enough goals. I disagree that the reason is a lack of 'quality in front goal' as you alleged initially. Response above. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Response above. I can see you stat guys beginning to gang up on me, so I’ll beat a retreat and leave you with your stats don’t lie statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Countryfile said: I can see you stat guys beginning to gang up on me, so I’ll beat a retreat and leave you with your stats don’t lie statements. 89.4% of stats don’t lie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted November 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 89.4% of stats don’t lie. But the other 10.6 may be the important ones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 Barnsley ? Rarely played as a striker, decent record for a wide man/midfielder in a poor team I would guess I always think with him he will score the harder chances and miss the easier ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 I always think with him he will score the harder chances and miss the easier ones. Possibly have a point there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 It looks like the blackburn player either gets a touch or does enough to put weimann off his shot so just bad luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Found the clip on Wyscout - tagged to Brereton as an “interception”. Brereton got a touch on it, just changed the direction and pace of it. Ended up a tad behind Weimann, who like all good strikers played for no deflection. in cricket terms, Brereton got a little bottom edge, picked up on snickometer. Umpires initial call was Weimann missed a sitter. Upon review he is given not out! Edited November 22, 2021 by Davefevs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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