1960maaan Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Their version had Semenyo sticking his leg out to get a Pen. A player who is on fire and getting his first run of goals. A player, by their words, who has been involved in 9 goals in last 8 appearances. A player that has the legs of the defender and running non Goal. Personally I don't think so. TBF I get why they are trying to say that, Semenyo's foot hits the back of the guy's leg, but it's because he's running across AS's line, IMO any way. Here you go. For me, he try to do exactly what Dean Ashton says he would do, the defender trips him. Semenyo doesn't reach his leg out to get tripped , he goes for the ball. You just know, our next Pen, due about 2025, will be a soft one after having 3 actual assaults turned down. Anyway, screen shot below. For me shows he is just running towards the ball. The other I thought was a Pen, on HNM, I guess we will have to wait to see if they publish the full 90 to see it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I think it's less obvious than when I saw it "live" (RobinsTV), but I'd still give us a pen. But it's probably 50/50 given that he'd played the ball slightly into the defender's path and he didn't get his leg in front of the defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Scott v QPR & Forest, the one in the opening minutes at Coventry that should have seen their keeper sent off, Dasilva at Fulham. Something doesn’t add up, you can be unlucky once or twice but we consistently don’t get clear penalties awarded. For what it’s worth I think on the balance of probability you get one of these two (the push for me is the stronger one) but in isolation I can see why neither were awarded more than I can the 4 I mentioned above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Check out the clip I posted yesterday: https://streamja.com/29M0k First angle for me he's mid dive when he gets clipped, or at least a pretty unnatural leg movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Players dive all the time. Is it a case with refs that some players have been awarded so many pens that the next incident must be a penalty too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: Their version had Semenyo sticking his leg out to get a Pen. A player who is on fire and getting his first run of goals. A player, by their words, who has been involved in 9 goals in last 8 appearances. A player that has the legs of the defender and running non Goal. Personally I don't think so. TBF I get why they are trying to say that, Semenyo's foot hits the back of the guy's leg, but it's because he's running across AS's line, IMO any way. Here you go. For me, he try to do exactly what Dean Ashton says he would do, the defender trips him. Semenyo doesn't reach his leg out to get tripped , he goes for the ball. You just know, our next Pen, due about 2025, will be a soft one after having 3 actual assaults turned down. Anyway, screen shot below. For me shows he is just running towards the ball. The other I thought was a Pen, on HNM, I guess we will have to wait to see if they publish the full 90 to see it. It's clever play from Semenyo, it's what you do as a forward in that situation. Play it across the defenders path...they either have to pull out of the tackle, or do what's happened here. It's a penalty all day long. Semenyo was too strong and fast for him... 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, spudski said: It's clever play from Semenyo, it's what you do as a forward in that situation. Play it across the defenders path...they either have to pull out of the tackle, or do what's happened here. It's a penalty all day long. Semenyo was too strong and fast for him... I think he is trying to go past their player and at the same time is looking for it, if that makes any sense. I don’t think it ‘should’ be a penalty, but in the modern game almost certainly is. Sterling has made a career of getting penalties like that. If it’s given it’s a ‘forward has done the defender there’. Equally, not the sort of penalty we are being given. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, IAmNick said: Check out the clip I posted yesterday: https://streamja.com/29M0k First angle for me he's mid dive when he gets clipped, or at least a pretty unnatural leg movement The opponent does not have to concede space there as he is in playable distance of the ball. Semenyo can't play the ball into the opponents path and then clip his opponent to gain a penalty. Edited January 30, 2022 by Cowshed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, cityexile said: I think he is trying to go past their player and at the same time is looking for it, if that makes any sense. I don’t think it ‘should’ be a penalty, but in the modern game almost certainly is. Sterling has made a career of getting penalties like that. If it’s given it’s a ‘forward has done the defender there’. Equally, not the sort of penalty we are being given. 100% looking for it like all strikers would. As said, he changed the angle to cut across the defender. It is the defenders responsibility to pull out of the challenge or give away the foul. You can say that is a no win for the defender but is the price he pays for allowing AS to go past him in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 For me, the ref wasn’t in a good enough position to not give it and with no VAR it’s a pen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, JoeAman08 said: 100% looking for it like all strikers would. As said, he changed the angle to cut across the defender. It is the defenders responsibility to pull out of the challenge or give away the foul. You can say that is a no win for the defender but is the price he pays for allowing AS to go past him in the first place. It is not defenders responsibilty to alter his path. Semenyo has to run around him and fails to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, Cowshed said: It is not defenders responsibilty to alter his path. Semenyo has to run around him and fails to do so. That is the case for the defence. I think Sem plays it too much in to the defenders path. At that stage the defender is ahead of Sem, closer to the ball and ‘in possession’. In the refs view then Sem essentially clips him from behind. Its fractional in truth, but not one like the QPR one which was stonewall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Cowshed said: It is not defenders responsibilty to alter his path. Semenyo has to run around him and fails to do so. Semenyo is past him. The defender bungling into him is unlucky but it is clumsy. He also doesn’t try to play the ball. He just runs into him. It is a pen and one you’d expected given 90% of the time. It is given even more a division higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: For me, the ref wasn’t in a good enough position to not give it and with no VAR it’s a pen . If the ref wasnt in a good enough position How could he give the pen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: For me, the ref wasn’t in a good enough position to not give it and with no VAR it’s a pen . Which is a different issue. How can you expect good decisions from blokes in their mid 40s or older to keep up with the likes of Semenyo and Pring after running around for 90 min himself. Lino on the other side for both incidents too. I don’t think he was good but not an easy task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Kicking a defender’s leg who is already in front of you is a foul. For the defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Should have rinsed the defender instead of chucking himself on the deck. Reffing today any of thatg it will be that was a shit touch stay on your feet next time please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Which is a different issue. How can you expect good decisions from blokes in their mid 40s or older to keep up with the likes of Semenyo and Pring after running around for 90 min himself. Lino on the other side for both incidents too. I don’t think he was good but not an easy task. Very good point , not an easy task at all , I wouldn’t want the job . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) Jamie Vardy is an expert at getting pens like this. Semenyo puts his leg in between the defender trying for a pen in my view. Edited January 30, 2022 by Clevedon Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Would be disappointed if it was given against us. Would’ve been a soft pen for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: If the ref wasnt in a good enough position How could he give the pen? But if he was and still didn’t ….VAR would have sorted it to an extent but even that isn’t the be all and end all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 The defender didn't commit a foul so no penalty. It really should be that simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Slippin cider said: But if he was and still didn’t ….VAR would have sorted it to an extent but even that isn’t the be all and end all . VAR would not have changed it As it was not an obvious mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: VAR would not have changed it As it was not an obvious mistake On another day it might have been given but it wasn’t so doesn’t make any difference. NP saw it as a pen .Very difficult for the guy in the middle and assistants ,as we know, some are better than others at making the correct calls. Can only give what they see etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: The defender didn't commit a foul so no penalty. It really should be that simple. It’s one of those. From the clip, watching the knees of the defender he catches him. Watching Sems right leg his last step is certainly unnatural. Alongside this, https://streamja.com/KLr5v Sem plays the ball wide knowing he is then going to get clattered. Cynically, you get one of those if you are near the top it seems. To be clear, I think the ref got both just about right, but he is being given a decision to make. Edited January 30, 2022 by cityexile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Not a stonewaller, but it's a pen for me. I was surprised Pearson said about Pring at the end being fouled, that looked a good tackle to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, grifty said: Not a stonewaller, but it's a pen for me. I was surprised Pearson said about Pring at the end being fouled, that looked a good tackle to me. Maybe he read this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Definitely not a penalty- diving to gain an unfair advantage is absolutely part of the game and a skill in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: Definitely not a penalty- diving to gain an unfair advantage is absolutely part of the game and a skill in itself. What do you mean by diving? There was no dive in this scenario. I can see why people say it is or it isn’t. I can’t see why anyone would think semenyo dived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, cityexile said: It’s one of those. From the clip, watching the knees of the defender he catches him. Watching Sems right leg his last step is certainly unnatural. Alongside this, https://streamja.com/KLr5v Sem plays the ball wide knowing he is then going to get clattered. Cynically, you get one of those if you are near the top it seems. To be clear, I think the ref got both just about right, but he is being given a decision to make. Didn’t get it right though because he gave PNE a free kick. Either pen or nothing at all surely, how has Semenyo conceded a free kick there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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