Show of support Saturday - Ukraine

[Phileas Fogg]

20 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Brighton have produced a third blue/ yellow kit , the sales of which will all go to aid Ukraine refugees etc

They a will be wearing it on Saturday and sales already hot

Good on them 

That's a great initiative. If we did that, I'd buy one. 

[Phileas Fogg]

19 hours ago, Lewisdabaron said:

Just play the game as usual. You can do all you like to support the cause away from football. I go to watch to escape the world’s problems. 
(cue the online abuse & confused emjois as usual)

I generally agree, but I think there is a place for tasteful gestures of support. I think quite often, fans and clubs go overboard with over the top gestures and minutes applauses and it can become a bit "look at us and how virtuous we are".

If done tastefully though, it can be a nice gesture. Tricky to get the balance right. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Phileas Fogg

[maxjak]

40 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

No you dont understand. His son is 43 and is the headmaster.

 The Horse Who is Lame.........

Edited March 3, 2022 by maxjak

[The Bard]

1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Ay oop. Someone's offended.

Not offended just fed up with 'ooh look at us we're so ******* worthy'.

As I said before, do something meaningful to help.

[redseptember]

10 hours ago, underover said:

The first thing anyone might want to do is to call Ukraine Ukraine and not "the" Ukraine which essentially plays right into the hands of putinist propaganda, I know a lot of you like to whinge about the nuances of language and snowflakes and want to know why it matters but in this case that one word makes a huge difference, here is why: 

essentially, Ukraine (possibly) translates to borderland, by using the definite article it essentially belittles the country to being part of/the borderland of russia/the ussr, it's why the usage of it fell off a cliff when they gained independence during the fall of the ussr, yes its likely no one in russia or ukraine will ever see it but essentially it's insulting and belittling, Ukraine is the official name of the country within its independence documents, I know its a tiny thing but language does matter a lot, if you're the type of person who usually thinks 'eh who cares' when people talk about how much language matters, let this be the one time you acquiesce, please.

Re: 'pointless' signs of solidarity, you never know who might see it who might find just a little bit of joy in it. I'm sure we've all seen just how much it clearly meant to Zinchenko at the Everton - Man City game, you never know who might have family, friends, their home in Ukraine who'll walk past a stadium or a building and see it and have it mean something to them even if its only for a few seconds. You never know who might see something on TV and have a gesture on TV mean something to them. Clearly its not material support, clearly they would rather have a no fly zone or more assistance or even help with food, resources etc (there are lots of initiatives going round so if you want to help that way and haven't a quick google or search on facebook should help you find somewhere to help in that way, if not, lots of the polish groups/societies/associations are organising that sort of thing so look there) but if something means someone to even just 1 second or 5 seconds then that's better than nothing no? Better than feeling totally isolated and alone. Considering it's no hardship to the club, no hardship to any of us I don't see any harm in it.  

(I'm not a fan of no.10 being lit in Ukrainian colours whilst they refuse to waive visas for refugees in contravention of what most other european countries have done but the club doesn't control that) 

 

Not enough ‘likes’ in the pot for this.  What a great post.  Thanks for posting this coming from one who finds the situation so depressing and frustrating. 

10 hours ago, underover said:

The first thing anyone might want to do is to call Ukraine Ukraine and not "the" Ukraine which essentially plays right into the hands of putinist propaganda, I know a lot of you like to whinge about the nuances of language and snowflakes and want to know why it matters but in this case that one word makes a huge difference, here is why: 

essentially, Ukraine (possibly) translates to borderland, by using the definite article it essentially belittles the country to being part of/the borderland of russia/the ussr, it's why the usage of it fell off a cliff when they gained independence during the fall of the ussr, yes its likely no one in russia or ukraine will ever see it but essentially it's insulting and belittling, Ukraine is the official name of the country within its independence documents, I know its a tiny thing but language does matter a lot, if you're the type of person who usually thinks 'eh who cares' when people talk about how much language matters, let this be the one time you acquiesce, please.

Re: 'pointless' signs of solidarity, you never know who might see it who might find just a little bit of joy in it. I'm sure we've all seen just how much it clearly meant to Zinchenko at the Everton - Man City game, you never know who might have family, friends, their home in Ukraine who'll walk past a stadium or a building and see it and have it mean something to them even if its only for a few seconds. You never know who might see something on TV and have a gesture on TV mean something to them. Clearly its not material support, clearly they would rather have a no fly zone or more assistance or even help with food, resources etc (there are lots of initiatives going round so if you want to help that way and haven't a quick google or search on facebook should help you find somewhere to help in that way, if not, lots of the polish groups/societies/associations are organising that sort of thing so look there) but if something means someone to even just 1 second or 5 seconds then that's better than nothing no? Better than feeling totally isolated and alone. Considering it's no hardship to the club, no hardship to any of us I don't see any harm in it.  

(I'm not a fan of no.10 being lit in Ukrainian colours whilst they refuse to waive visas for refugees in contravention of what most other european countries have done but the club doesn't control that) 

 

Not enough ‘likes’ in the pot for this.  What a great post.  Thanks for posting this coming from one who finds the situation so depressing and frustrating. 

[NOTBLUE]

26 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Not offended just fed up with 'ooh look at us we're so ******* worthy'.

As I said before, do something meaningful to help.

Just perhaps some people aren’t trying to be ‘******* worthy ‘ and actually care about something.

[Phileas Fogg]

21 hours ago, The Bard said:

Well said. Want to really help rather than the suggested virtue signalling?

https://www.bristolworld.com/culture/where-in-bristol-can-i-donate-clothes-to-ukraine-how-to-help-refugees-with-donations-and-volunteering-3592181

This was the point I was making earlier really. I think some people really enjoy being part of a "classy touch" that will get a few RTs on Twitter. "Virtue signalling" is a bit of a loaded phrase, as it generally implies bad intention. I don't necessarily think people who take part or publicise more superfluous gestures are "virtue signalling" but perhaps subconsciously are unable to realise that they are, partly, doing it for themselves.

I often think this with people organising minutes applauses for fans who pass away. It sounds a bit mean spirited, but in reality only a tiny % of attendees are going to know the person who's passed away. Having minutes applauses every few games just dilutes the meaning - better to have a larger event once a season.

I think if the club ensured any gesture they made wasn't primarily for "classy touch by Bristol City " 3200 Retweets reasons, and they ensured they publicised donation drives etc then it would be ok. 

[myol'man]

Lots of UK/Ukraine pin badges out there, be careful though, I'm not sure all of the proceeds will go to the right causes.

 

Far better to donate to one of the registered charities than drop of a bag of your nans old cardigans to a village hall which is already snowed under with stuff.

[MJP3]

On 02/03/2022 at 13:13, Sheltons Army said:

Brighton have produced a third blue/ yellow kit , the sales of which will all go to aid Ukraine refugees etc

They a will be wearing it on Saturday and sales already hot

Good on them 

My understanding is that it's their existing 3rd kit not a new one, however, as you say, future sales proceeds will be donated.

Southampton are looking at similar with theirs.

[Sheltons Army]

2 minutes ago, MJP3 said:

My understanding is that it's their existing 3rd kit not a new one, however, as you say, future sales proceeds will be donated.

Southampton are looking at similar with theirs.

Not that it matters MJP but Paul Barber the CEO was explaining they had to get FA / Premier League approval 

[Dave L]

I don't have a problem with people wearing Ukrainian colours etc, if it makes them feel better. But if you want to make the millions of Ukrainian refugees displaced by the war feel better, then I would suggest a donation to the Disasters Emergency Committee. 

 https://www.dec.org.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA64GRBhCZARIsAHOLriIiGW8KFmHyqeQOQwKqCEnFEiUw5yYoxpe03uhQfgPFrtbDC-mvr30aAnXOEALw_wcB