Port Said Red Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 I suppose there is an argument for putting this in the politics forum, but I though it might lose some audience there. — 18 months ago, during the wave of protests following the killing of George Floyd, I took the knee alongside my fellow Premier League football players. Anti-racism demonstrators flooded the streets of the UK, social media stood in solidarity, slaver statues and colonial relics were torn down and hundreds of thousands of people from all backgrounds demanded institutions tackle systemic inequalities in our society to combat racism. We are nearly two years on from the death of George Floyd and the tidal wave of outrage that followed. An eerie quiet seems to have descended, the issues raised have receded from the news agenda and if we are to believe the conclusions of the Sewell Report, the UK does not have a systemic problem with racism at all. Yet in that time both myself and my family have continued to experience vile racist abuse. I want to use my platform to campaign for change and not to let this movement and its momentum just fade away - that’s why I’m calling for Black, Asian and minority ethnic histories and experiences to be put on the national curriculum Sign now with a click I am a proud father of four children. I have seen more and more how important it is for my children to be able to see themselves represented in what they are being taught and learn about the contribution and background of people who look like them. As a mixed race man from a black Jamaican father and a white mother with Irish heritage, I grew up having an uncertain relationship with my own identity. Whilst at school I felt detached, neither white enough for the white kids or black enough for the black kids. I was even told by one teacher that I’d be dead by the time I was 25. It was only in my 20’s that I learnt more about my heritage, what it means to be a black man and the potential impact an earlier understanding of this might’ve had on me. Sign now with a click I want to reignite this conversation and put it back on the agenda. My mum always says to me, you can’t understand where you’re going if you don’t understand where you’ve come from. We need to lay a pathway for longer lasting change for our kids as I believe the current system is failing children from ethnic minorities. Please sign this petition to ask the Secretary of State for Education to make the teaching of Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic histories and experiences mandatory throughout the school curriculum. Sign now with a click Yours Sincerely, Troy Deeney 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 No… An awareness of precisely this needs to transcend all of society. Even football. Some people may be uncomfortable reading this, but it must be far more uncomfortable living it. Thank you for sharing. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 Yes massive on sharing this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 I think it deserves a ^bump^ too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 tin hat on bit rich i think coming from a violent man and former football thug,but lets feel sorry for him because he's neither black or white and once again join the anti racist bandwagon.i would say the teacher that told him he would be dead in his 20,s was thinking about all the trouble he got into nothing to do with being black,brown tan or white but once again lets twist it into a racist remark. Troy Deeney and Brennan were more serious than the other defendants. In the 30-second video clip, the pair could be seen kicking out at the "defenceless" students, one of whom received repeated blows to the head as he lay injured on the ground. i know this wont go down well but facts are facts. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 21 hours ago, big dosser said: tin hat on bit rich i think coming from a violent man and former football thug,but lets feel sorry for him because he's neither black or white and once again join the anti racist bandwagon.i would say the teacher that told him he would be dead in his 20,s was thinking about all the trouble he got into nothing to do with being black,brown tan or white but once again lets twist it into a racist remark. Troy Deeney and Brennan were more serious than the other defendants. In the 30-second video clip, the pair could be seen kicking out at the "defenceless" students, one of whom received repeated blows to the head as he lay injured on the ground. i know this wont go down well but facts are facts. You’ve completely missed the point of his letter, and come across as an idiot in the process. Your username is apt. Congratulations on that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Wiltsred14 said: You’ve completely missed the point of his letter, and come across as an idiot in the process. Your username is apt. Congratulations on that. hi would you like to let me know what point i have missed sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08grz6g I strongly recommend this interview. It certainly made me reevaluate my opinion of Troy Deeney. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, big dosser said: hi would you like to let me know what point i have missed sir He’s not asking for sympathy because of his mixed heritage. He is asking for a broader BAME representation in the curriculum so that children have a greater understanding of their identities. How is this petition for positive social change in any way linked to mistakes he’s made (and acknowledged) in the past? I fail to understand why you have been affronted by such a sensible request. Why is this? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When the river runs Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wiltsred14 said: He’s not asking for sympathy because of his mixed heritage. He is asking for a broader BAME representation in the curriculum so that children have a greater understanding of their identities. How is this petition for positive social change in any way linked to mistakes he’s made (and acknowledged) in the past? I fail to understand why you have been affronted by such a sensible request. Why is this? i am going to take on board what you have said and also listen to dave l links he sent,maybe i missed something or read it wrong 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. thats how i wanted to put it there always seems to be a rule for one and a rule for another,thanks river run 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. John McVicar was a convicted violent criminal who became a respected writer and studied for a degree. People can develop. The difference between Deeney, or Bradley Orr for example and Barton is the apparent lack of remorse and continued bad behaviour of the latter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 Personally I'm a fan of history and encourage all forms of it. Playing devils advocate here, how many people know much more than their grandparents, 1066 and the Great Fire of London? Is the "you don't know where you're going until you know where you've come from" over played? Don't many people of all backgrounds go through life with very little knowledge of their own or their families past? Is the past really the place to look to solve the issues Troy has raised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: John McVicar was a convicted violent criminal who became a respected writer and studied for a degree. People can develop. The difference between Deeney, or Bradley Orr for example and Barton is the apparent lack of remorse and continued bad behaviour of the latter. Good film, good soundtrack 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 I met John McVicar once at a drinks reception. He shook my hand and looked me in the eye with a stare so intense and scary I spent the rest of the evening avoiding him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 6 hours ago, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. Deeney did something terrible, did his time and has clearly grown as a person since then. Barton on the other hand has got himself in trouble time and time again and was recently back in court for assaulting another manager the two aren’t really comparable 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 7 hours ago, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. I understand where you're coming from, but I'd argue this isn't political more addressing obvious injustice. There needs to be a wider range of viewpoints taught in schools that's a fact not a political opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsred14 Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 12 hours ago, big dosser said: i am going to take on board what you have said and also listen to dave l links he sent,maybe i missed something or read it wrong Bet you don’t… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 3, 2022 Report Share Posted April 3, 2022 18 hours ago, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. Remorse is the difference, Joey’s a repeat offender. Deeney appears to have left that life behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted April 3, 2022 Report Share Posted April 3, 2022 One of the best books ive read, john mcvicar on the jill dando case. And one of the best city stickers ive ever saw, It wasnt barry gerorge, he was down cheddar gorge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted April 3, 2022 Report Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 02/04/2022 at 09:58, When the river runs said: Joey Barton's hated for his criminal ways but it's all forgotten with Troy's. Booting a defenseless student in the head . I think he should leave the politics to someone else as hes no role model. If Joey Barton spoke out against racism he would still be correct, despite his past. Racism isn't situational, it is always bad and speaking out against it is always correct, no matter the source. Deeney deserves criticism for what he has done, and it is maybe glossed over, but it doesn't negate the point he is making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted April 3, 2022 Report Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 hours ago, redsince1994 said: If Joey Barton spoke out against racism he would still be correct, despite his past. Barton has spoken out before in support of gay people/gay footballers. He's still a *** though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted May 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 A follow up to my original post as it may interest some of you. https://www.change.org/p/nadhimzahawi-make-the-teaching-of-bame-histories-and-experiences-mandatory-across-the-school-curriculum/w?source_location=petition_nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted May 19, 2022 Report Share Posted May 19, 2022 Of course no one's talking about racism or slavery - all the players are just about to go to a world cup that's built on it! It would look slightly duplicitous to stand against racism and then go and earn hundreds of thousands for a few weeks work on the back of racism and slavery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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