Citychuds Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 I have a view on our current manager but I like good old fashioned stats so here are some about our managers which make some interesting reading. I’ve excluded temporary managers Coppell counts as temporary by the way. Millens temp stats only make him look better! win rate ranked Wilson 1, Cotterill 2, Holden 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Tinnion 6, Millen 7, mcinnes 8, O’driscoll 9, Pearson 10 loss rate ranked Cotterill 1, Tinnion 2, Wilson 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Holden 6, O’driscoll 7, Millen 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Points per game Cotterill 1, Wilson 2, Gary J 3, Tinnion 4, Holden 5, Lee J 6, Millen 7, O’driscoll 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Only one manager has a win rate at less than 25%, two managers have a loss rate over 50% and one manager has averaged less than a point a game!! Admittedly some of these managers managed in league one however can we claim this is the worst squad we’ve had in comparison to the teams we play? Interested in peoples thoughts and whether Mr Pearson wouldn’t be quite so popular if hadn’t had a successful period at one of his many clubs. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Has to be judged according to League, resources etc. Pearson inherited a mess, and has done well keeping us up (With help from point deductions). Personally, I rated Holden, undone by injuries and fan demands for a ‘big name’. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Stats aside, SOD and McInnes had us playing some terrible football. It’s not that bad, yet. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just now, Dredd said: Stats aside, SOD and McInnes had us playing some terrible football. It’s not that bad, yet. Not that bad yet - what about today ? 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Stats are not kind, but let's be fair, some of those managers spend millions. Pearson has been lumbered with a weak squad and no money. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just shows how terrible it’s been this season. Why do the Lansdown’s just accept this 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citychuds Posted April 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr Chappers said: Has to be judged according to League, resources etc. Pearson inherited a mess, and has done well keeping us up (With help from point deductions). Personally, I rated Holden, undone by injuries and fan demands for a ‘big name’. Holden would have got more out of this squad than Pearson. LJ would have got more out of this squad than Pearson. Cotterill would have got more out of this squad than Pearson. Maybe only a couple of positions but every position counts when we are the team that would be scrambling for points to stay up had Reading and Derby not had points deductions. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Well according to your stats (Without any context of what League & what circumstances) ....... That has Danny Wilson as at least our second best manager In this period..... Yep , ok 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: Stats are not kind, but let's be fair, some of those managers spend millions. Pearson has been lumbered with a weak squad and no money. Tinnion & Wilson also didn’t manage a single game at Championship level with us. Pointless comparison. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just now, Sheltons Army said: Well according to your stats (Without any context of what League & what circumstances) ....... That has Danny Wilson as at least our second best manager In this period..... Yep , ok To be fair, Wilson was amazing if you never wanted to actually get promoted. 3 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citychuds Posted April 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dredd said: Stats aside, SOD and McInnes had us playing some terrible football. It’s not that bad, yet. We’ve just scraped a draw at home against a 10 man team who have been smashed all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citychuds Posted April 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Well according to your stats (Without any context of what League & what circumstances) ....... That has Danny Wilson as at least our second best manager In this period..... Yep , ok They aren’t my stats they are the stats. They are facts. I agree they do need context but let’s not forget we’ve just drawn against a league one team. Are we basically saying this playing squad and our position is the worst we have been in for 20 years in comparison to those around us. I don’t want LJ back I don’t want Danny Wilson back, but can somebody tell me why Pearson is so popular? Is it because he is the hard man? I don’t know if anyone has noticed, it’s not working. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Mr Chappers said: Has to be judged according to League, resources etc. Pearson inherited a mess, and has done well keeping us up (With help from point deductions). Personally, I rated Holden, undone by injuries and fan demands for a ‘big name’. Hmmm not sure about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Just shows how terrible it’s been this season. Why do the Lansdown’s just accept this Jon said we should be doing better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, GrahamC said: To be fair, Wilson was amazing if you never wanted to actually get promoted. What as it he said just before he got the sack, he spend a few bob and failed and then said something about losing in the playoffs as not being a failure, next day he was gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Let’s face it all those managers failed in the end, and most of them spectacularly. Not one poached by higher placed club. Our recruitment of managers has generally been dire, partly because we have no professional recruitment policy - same with playing staff. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Just shows how terrible it’s been this season. Why do the Lansdown’s just accept this As they both caused this shit show how can they not accept it? It’s their fault, 1000%, the ******* mess we are in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, billywedlock said: LJ wins this hands down . Left the club with 38m debts and a squad that no one wants . Pearson is one of the best we have ever had . Created 40/50 m talent from the academy in 12 months . Extraordinary performance when dealing with the squad inherited . Um.........I believe the talent was already present in the academy, he just played them in the first team? He wasn't even manager when the trio you refer to signed for us? When you say he created them? He's not Dr Frankenstein ........... Anyhow, i don't believe so? Edited April 9, 2022 by maxjak 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Dave Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 Any other manager would’ve been sacked by now!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Citychuds said: I have a view on our current manager but I like good old fashioned stats so here are some about our managers which make some interesting reading. I’ve excluded temporary managers Coppell counts as temporary by the way. Millens temp stats only make him look better! win rate ranked Wilson 1, Cotterill 2, Holden 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Tinnion 6, Millen 7, mcinnes 8, O’driscoll 9, Pearson 10 loss rate ranked Cotterill 1, Tinnion 2, Wilson 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Holden 6, O’driscoll 7, Millen 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Points per game Cotterill 1, Wilson 2, Gary J 3, Tinnion 4, Holden 5, Lee J 6, Millen 7, O’driscoll 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Only one manager has a win rate at less than 25%, two managers have a loss rate over 50% and one manager has averaged less than a point a game!! Admittedly some of these managers managed in league one however can we claim this is the worst squad we’ve had in comparison to the teams we play? Interested in peoples thoughts and whether Mr Pearson wouldn’t be quite so popular if hadn’t had a successful period at one of his many clubs. I'm afraid its a bit like asking who's your best City 11. When you've got some of those managers playing the likes of Notts County and Hartlepool and others playing Newcastle and Wolves! What I would add is I think if Cotts and Pearson had the funds that Lee Johnson was given it would read a totally different set of stats. What we have to remember is that Pearson HAS done a remarkable job in slowing down the downward spiral with next to no funds. He's also hampered with a large wage bill and inherited players who he clearly doesn't want. Moving players on isn't easy. If I have a couple of reservations about him it's working with a smaller squad and that he doesn't suffer egos. Maybe that's a good thing as we have to get rid of this passive and soft culture that still pervades around the club. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hello Dave said: Any other manager would’ve been sacked by now!! Exceptions must be Dean Holden and Lee Johnson. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollydog Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, billywedlock said: LJ wins this hands down . Left the club with 38m debts and a squad that no one wants . Pearson is one of the best we have ever had . Created 40/50 m talent from the academy in 12 months . Extraordinary performance when dealing with the squad inherited . I assume this is a joke (but I have been drinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Citychuds said: I have a view on our current manager but I like good old fashioned stats so here are some about our managers which make some interesting reading. I’ve excluded temporary managers Coppell counts as temporary by the way. Millens temp stats only make him look better! win rate ranked Wilson 1, Cotterill 2, Holden 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Tinnion 6, Millen 7, mcinnes 8, O’driscoll 9, Pearson 10 loss rate ranked Cotterill 1, Tinnion 2, Wilson 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Holden 6, O’driscoll 7, Millen 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Points per game Cotterill 1, Wilson 2, Gary J 3, Tinnion 4, Holden 5, Lee J 6, Millen 7, O’driscoll 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Only one manager has a win rate at less than 25%, two managers have a loss rate over 50% and one manager has averaged less than a point a game!! Admittedly some of these managers managed in league one however can we claim this is the worst squad we’ve had in comparison to the teams we play? Interested in peoples thoughts and whether Mr Pearson wouldn’t be quite so popular if hadn’t had a successful period at one of his many clubs. Idiot! Edited April 10, 2022 by REDOXO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, Swede said: Exceptions must be Dean Holden and Lee Johnson. Is that the same Dean Holden that was sacked after 6 months in the job....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, billywedlock said: LJ wins this hands down . Left the club with 38m debts and a squad that no one wants . Pearson is one of the best we have ever had . Created 40/50 m talent from the academy in 12 months . Extraordinary performance when dealing with the squad inherited . Says a lot about our club really that a fan can claim that a manager with a 25% win ratio is ‘one of the best we’ve ever had’. I think we should stick with Pearson (as realistically we can’t afford to sack him and replace him with someone better) but what’s he done thus far to be one of the best managers we’ve had in the last 20 years? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Says a lot about our club really that a fan can claim that a manager with a 25% win ratio is ‘one of the best we’ve ever had’. I think we should stick with Pearson (as realistically we can’t afford to sack him and replace him with someone better) but what’s he done thus far to be one of the best managers we’ve had in the last 20 years? If we stick with him then we are relegation certainties next season, he could barely be any worse, we can’t afford NOT to sack him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 What a way to get all the ‘happy clappers’ spitting feathers. How dare you attempt to show Pearson in a bad light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Citychuds said: I have a view on our current manager but I like good old fashioned stats so here are some about our managers which make some interesting reading. I’ve excluded temporary managers Coppell counts as temporary by the way. Millens temp stats only make him look better! win rate ranked Wilson 1, Cotterill 2, Holden 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Tinnion 6, Millen 7, mcinnes 8, O’driscoll 9, Pearson 10 loss rate ranked Cotterill 1, Tinnion 2, Wilson 3, Gary J 4, Lee J 5, Holden 6, O’driscoll 7, Millen 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Points per game Cotterill 1, Wilson 2, Gary J 3, Tinnion 4, Holden 5, Lee J 6, Millen 7, O’driscoll 8, Mcinnes 9, Pearson 10 Only one manager has a win rate at less than 25%, two managers have a loss rate over 50% and one manager has averaged less than a point a game!! Admittedly some of these managers managed in league one however can we claim this is the worst squad we’ve had in comparison to the teams we play? Interested in peoples thoughts and whether Mr Pearson wouldn’t be quite so popular if hadn’t had a successful period at one of his many clubs. Can we have a multi coloured spreadsheet on this please !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, GTFABM said: What a way to get all the ‘happy clappers’ spitting feathers. How dare you attempt to show Pearson in a bad light Facts are like Kryptonite to the sycophantic happy clappers. They prefer some sort of misleading multi coloured spread sheet with certain stats missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 I agree that some of the comparisons are with managers who were in a different league but it still doesn’t look good. The old trusty ‘he has a poor squad’ only stacks up when you play a team with a better one…. Peterborough do not have a better squad than us, so that excuse is taken away. We were still pathetic so it’s not all down to the squad. What a day to put in a performance like that when season ticket sales just up for renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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