Dr Balls Posted July 5, 2022 Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 I know that this won’t be popular with everyone on here but there are many who are concerned about the links between football and gambling, and the risks and serious downsides of gambling addiction. Anyone who has heard Peter Shelton talking recently will appreciate the problems that it caused him and many other professionals, let alone the effect on supporters and their families for those with gambling addiction. On that basis if you do want to get betting advertising and sponsorship out of football, please consider signing this petition: https://www.change.org/p/end-gambling-advertising-and-sponsorship-in-football/psf/promote_or_share 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 5, 2022 Report Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: I know that this won’t be popular with everyone on here but there are many who are concerned about the links between football and gambling, and the risks and serious downsides of gambling addiction. Anyone who has heard Peter Shelton talking recently will appreciate the problems that it caused him and many other professionals, let alone the effect on supporters and their families for those with gambling addiction. On that basis if you do want to get betting advertising and sponsorship out of football, please consider signing this petition: https://www.change.org/p/end-gambling-advertising-and-sponsorship-in-football/psf/promote_or_share I'm more concerned about gambling in mobile and computer games then the links in football, That shit is unregulated and hooks children, But yours is also a good cause Edited July 5, 2022 by Monkeh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Kratos Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 I know that two years past since the message was made ,but I think that the problem is still relevant even today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corkonian Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 (edited) I will also say that gambling is not a way of making money. It's very unpredictable and addictive. And if you are not cold-minded and experienced enough, you can start losing, losing big. Moreover, this can get you into a loop where you want to win your money back but won't succeed. I play in casinos. I use the free version of Plinko platform. Still, for me, gambling is a way of relaxation and stress relief, nothing more. Edited Wednesday at 16:17 by Corkonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 (edited) Anything new on this? We gave up a Gambling sponsorship possibly in partial pre-emptive measures. Other clubs have possibly cone similar.. Stoke are owned by, and sponsored by Bet365 on the shirts, for stadium naming rights, wonder if anything else. Edited April 28 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 On a gambling related note anyone here seen the video when William hill refuses to pay a punter I think it was a five figure sum, customer services send him to the shop and they end up ringing the police on him in a few different shops! The police are clearly embarrassed, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 The videos called William hills call the police on a punter twice after winning 12,500 ive never saw anything like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted Sunday at 16:01 Report Share Posted Sunday at 16:01 I used to sit next to a lad at work who was addicted to gambling. I once saw him apply for a £1k Wonga loan at 10am and put it all on a women’s handball match in the Nigerian second division! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted Sunday at 16:07 Report Share Posted Sunday at 16:07 Have you ever met a broke bookmaker. Only one winner in gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted Sunday at 17:43 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:43 1 hour ago, grifty said: I used to sit next to a lad at work who was addicted to gambling. I once saw him apply for a £1k Wonga loan at 10am and put it all on a women’s handball match in the Nigerian second division! Did he win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted Sunday at 18:58 Report Share Posted Sunday at 18:58 I enjoy a few quid at a weekend on ACCA or Trixie bets. Nice when a good win comes in. Yeah I loss more than I win . But it balances out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted Sunday at 19:42 Report Share Posted Sunday at 19:42 If you search youtube, you find out how crocked the gambling industry is. Put it this way, the best you can hope for if you are a winning punter is that they restrict your bets. But it seems to be common for them to investigate you, and demand your bank account details, and find loopholes to substantiate cheating allegations so they can refuse to pay out big wins/balances 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallorcan Red Posted Sunday at 20:04 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:04 Look up the term “house edge”. Everyone signing up to any gambling site should be required to watch a course on this concept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted Sunday at 20:33 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:33 30 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: If you search youtube, you find out how crocked the gambling industry is. Put it this way, the best you can hope for if you are a winning punter is that they restrict your bets. But it seems to be common for them to investigate you, and demand your bank account details, and find loopholes to substantiate cheating allegations so they can refuse to pay out big wins/balances The bookies (most of them) have never been as bad as they are now. If you are anyone with half a clue about gambling and can beat their prices, you won't last very long with any of them, and you will either be restricted to betting pennies or banned completely by them. All they want now is people on their online casino, and in the shops they want people on the machines where they have cash cows for guaranteed incomes. They simply play by their own rules and the regulator do absolutely nothing with them when they are breaking the Gambling Commission rules. Have a Google for the new kid on the block in the UK (MGM bet), some of the things they have done over the Cheltenham Festival is shocking, but they now have their new lot of gullible online Casino players after ripping off loads of punters with impunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 05:49 Report Share Posted Monday at 05:49 Yes a gentleman in betfred was given a crude piece off paper, no envelope saying he needed to bring his bank statement and passport in after winning three k on golf, he pointed out to the staff that Thier behaviour was as far from being indiscrete as you can get, if you were me he said would you trust you with personal details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickytimes Posted Monday at 07:56 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:56 12 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: I enjoy a few quid at a weekend on ACCA or Trixie bets. Nice when a good win comes in. Yeah I loss more than I win . But it balances out. I dont see how it can balance out, if you lose more than you win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted Monday at 08:01 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:01 13 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: I enjoy a few quid at a weekend on ACCA or Trixie bets. Nice when a good win comes in. Yeah I loss more than I win . But it balances out. Unfortunately this perfectly sums up the delusion of gambling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallorcan Red Posted Monday at 08:19 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:19 2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: Yes a gentleman in betfred was given a crude piece off paper, no envelope saying he needed to bring his bank statement and passport in after winning three k on golf, he pointed out to the staff that Thier behaviour was as far from being indiscrete as you can get, if you were me he said would you trust you with personal details? https://www.bettingoffers.uk/articles/identity-checks/ "The UKGC has stated that it plans to set limits on customers based on the information provided to the casino or bookie. This implies that, at some point, the companies will need to ask their customers more questions to determine whether or not they are gambling safely. These questions have already started to roll out. They are based on a number of factors, but they are used to determine if gambling is causing any harm, either financially or mentally, to the customer in question. This helps to identify problem gamblers. Examples include: Financial indicators to assess whether people are gambling beyond their means. This will likely look at the amount of money they earn and then compare it to what they are spending" "Identify checks are here to stay, so the best bit of advice that we can give is learn to accept it and be prepared with all the information that you think might be needed, remembering that this is for the best – short term pain for long term gain." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted Monday at 08:19 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 08:19 Gambling is a “mugs game” and for every person who says that they can “beat the bookie” there are thousands who definitely don’t. A couple of quid a week on the lottery or on the half time draw is fine, but beyond that the problem with gambling is it’s like anything else that gives a “rush”, whether that’s drink, drugs or even mobile phones, and that dopamine hit becomes addictive. Watching exciting football used to do this for a lot of us but Manning broke the spell for quite a few on here recently it would seem! Joking aside, football particularly has a problem with gambling, both in terms of sponsorship (The “Skybet” Championship?) and for young players with relatively large amounts of money, more time on their hands, and little direction on how to protect themselves. And it can either lead to bans during their playing career (Toney) or in later life poverty, especially amongst those stars of yesteryear who actually made relatively little from the game by modern standards, such as the recently departed Stan Bowles: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/feb/25/stan-bowles-chaotic-lifestyle-could-not-disguise-his-brilliance-on-the-pitch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 08:25 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:25 I used to do a football Accumulator once a week for fun. Obviously I hoped to win but I wasn't gambling to excess or going with major stakes. Nearly did win a few as well ie a few Accumulators but the odd own goal, dodgy decision often did for my chances...got the odd win on lower end bets, but by no means big on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted Monday at 10:26 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:26 1 hour ago, Mallorcan Red said: https://www.bettingoffers.uk/articles/identity-checks/ "The UKGC has stated that it plans to set limits on customers based on the information provided to the casino or bookie. This implies that, at some point, the companies will need to ask their customers more questions to determine whether or not they are gambling safely. These questions have already started to roll out. They are based on a number of factors, but they are used to determine if gambling is causing any harm, either financially or mentally, to the customer in question. This helps to identify problem gamblers. Examples include: Financial indicators to assess whether people are gambling beyond their means. This will likely look at the amount of money they earn and then compare it to what they are spending" "Identify checks are here to stay, so the best bit of advice that we can give is learn to accept it and be prepared with all the information that you think might be needed, remembering that this is for the best – short term pain for long term gain." All that sounds great for protection, but the bookies don't ask for any of that when you open a new account and deposit and lose time after time, then when/if you win they miraculously make you jump through hoops to get paid. Skybet are notorious for asking for a bank statement but only when you want to withdraw to prove you have funds etc, and then they ask for other bank statements of the people on that statement who has sent you any money, that third person then has to send their statement to them or they refuse to pay you out. They should be asking for proof of funds, earnings all before a single bet has been placed, and it should apply to everyone. They simply don't and do whatever they can to maximise profits and to get people onto their online casino where losses are easily racked up quickly, but as long as a message pops up saying you've played for so long they seem to be covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted Monday at 10:33 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:33 2 hours ago, trickytimes said: I dont see how it can balance out, if you lose more than you win. Depends how you do the sums 2 hours ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Unfortunately this perfectly sums up the delusion of gambling. Yes. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted Monday at 10:45 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:45 2 hours ago, trickytimes said: I dont see how it can balance out, if you lose more than you win. Pretty simple’ you could do a £1 acca every week for a year and lose £52 ‘ if once a year you win and it pays more than £52 your winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted Monday at 10:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:46 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I used to do a football Accumulator once a week for fun. Obviously I hoped to win but I wasn't gambling to excess or going with major stakes. Nearly did win a few as well ie a few Accumulators but the odd own goal, dodgy decision often did for my chances...got the odd win on lower end bets, but by no means big on it. Back in the 80's I would usually put a pound on a 10 match Acca . Won a few times but you soon realise there is always a 'banker' that won't come in. (Eg Man Utd v Burnley ) I now only do free bets and cover them with a lay bet on betfair to guarantee a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted Monday at 10:47 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:47 21 hours ago, Corkonian said: I will also say that gambling is not a way of making money. It's very unpredictable and addictive. And if you are not cold-minded and experienced enough, you can start losing, losing big. Moreover, this can get you into a loop where you want to win your money back but won't succeed. Just like drugs, don't start something that you cannot control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickytimes Posted Monday at 11:19 Report Share Posted Monday at 11:19 30 minutes ago, Glen hump said: Pretty simple’ you could do a £1 acca every week for a year and lose £52 ‘ if once a year you win and it pays more than £52 your winning. Yes, but that means you have broken even, and therefore you have not lost more than you have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickytimes Posted Monday at 11:22 Report Share Posted Monday at 11:22 46 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Depends how you do the sums Sorry but I really don't understand that statement. If you lose more than you win, then it does not balance out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted Monday at 14:36 Report Share Posted Monday at 14:36 20 hours ago, Ziderarmy said: Did he win? I can’t remember if I’m honest, this was a good 8 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 15:07 Report Share Posted Monday at 15:07 The strange thing is about all these background checks, ive not yet seen one done to a losing punter! Obviously they do, dunno if any of you watch rocknrolla a big gambler on yt, he had lost around 70k on one site, then had a lucky day on the tables, collected 12k had a email in minutes, informing him that one of the high street bookies now owns this company and they would like to remind him he's banned from all shops and sites, you would think they knew who he was when he was in for 70! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted Monday at 16:05 Report Share Posted Monday at 16:05 1 hour ago, grifty said: I can’t remember if I’m honest, this was a good 8 years ago This is quite vital to the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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