Right back conundrum

[BLRed]

Early in the season maybe but youve got to feel sorry for wilson and tanner. Both brought in to provide balance as natural right sided defender/wing backs, yet neither look like they will ever get a chance barring the cup.

if it’s not Scott OOP, it’s Sykes, if not Sykes, weimann OOP.

Are they not good enough? Does NP not trust them? Wilson showed he can be effective vs Wycombe yet not even getting pitch time the following game.

not looking to cause a problem, just interested to know why they are in the cold when both should offer more than playing someone OOP, especially with 5 subs available.

[DaveF]

1 minute ago, BLRed said:

Early in the season maybe but youve got to feel sorry for wilson and tanner. Both brought in to provide balance as natural right sided defender/wing backs, yet neither look like they will ever get a chance barring the cup.

if it’s not Scott OOP, it’s Sykes, if not Sykes, weimann OOP.

Are they not good enough? Does NP not trust them? Wilson showed he can be effective vs Wycombe yet not even getting pitch time the following game.

not looking to cause a problem, just interested to know why they are in the cold when both should offer more than playing someone OOP, especially with 5 subs available.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of them starts next match.

Sykes and Scott have played well so would be harsh to drop them. 

[Fordy62]

3 minutes ago, BLRed said:

Early in the season maybe but youve got to feel sorry for wilson and tanner. Both brought in to provide balance as natural right sided defender/wing backs, yet neither look like they will ever get a chance barring the cup.

if it’s not Scott OOP, it’s Sykes, if not Sykes, weimann OOP.

Are they not good enough? Does NP not trust them? Wilson showed he can be effective vs Wycombe yet not even getting pitch time the following game.

not looking to cause a problem, just interested to know why they are in the cold when both should offer more than playing someone OOP, especially with 5 subs available.

Don’t forget what a top level manager Nige is. These are boys from two leagues lower. He wouldn’t have bought them if he didn’t think they’d be good enough, it sometimes things take time. They need to learn and that doesn’t happen overnight. 

Trust the process.

[nickolas]

7 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Wouldn't be surprised if one of them starts next match.

Sykes and Scott have played well so would be harsh to drop them. 

Sykes will be back in on Weds for sure. 

[Super]

Sykes will surely come back in.

[Harry]

14 minutes ago, BLRed said:

Early in the season maybe but youve got to feel sorry for wilson and tanner. Both brought in to provide balance as natural right sided defender/wing backs, yet neither look like they will ever get a chance barring the cup.

if it’s not Scott OOP, it’s Sykes, if not Sykes, weimann OOP.

Are they not good enough? Does NP not trust them? Wilson showed he can be effective vs Wycombe yet not even getting pitch time the following game.

not looking to cause a problem, just interested to know why they are in the cold when both should offer more than playing someone OOP, especially with 5 subs available.

Careful now son; critique is silenced. We’re all supposed to be thrilled at seeing the best player of a generation playing at wing back, or our top scorer playing at wing back, when we’ve spent money on 2 right backs to sit on the bench. 

[DaveF]

17 minutes ago, Harry said:

Careful now son; critique is silenced. We’re all supposed to be thrilled at seeing the best player of a generation playing at wing back, or our top scorer playing at wing back, when we’ve spent money on 2 right backs to sit on the bench. 

And we've won 2/3 of those games.

Give it a rest...

[Harry]

10 minutes ago, DaveF said:

And we've won 2/3 of those games.

Give it a rest...

Nope. I’ll give it a rest when Scott or Weimann are no longer being played at right wing back. 
I don’t like it and I don’t know why people get so uppity about pointing it out. 

[DaveF]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Nope. I’ll give it a rest when Scott or Weimann are no longer being played at right wing back. 
I don’t like it and I don’t know why people get so uppity about pointing it out. 

Don't worry I'm fairly confident Wilson will make the position his own eventually, I think Pearson is just easing him in through training and occasional performances. 

Huge step up from League Two but he looks like he has the potential.

[W-S-M Seagull]

53 minutes ago, BLRed said:

Early in the season maybe but youve got to feel sorry for wilson and tanner. Both brought in to provide balance as natural right sided defender/wing backs, yet neither look like they will ever get a chance barring the cup.

if it’s not Scott OOP, it’s Sykes, if not Sykes, weimann OOP.

Are they not good enough? Does NP not trust them? Wilson showed he can be effective vs Wycombe yet not even getting pitch time the following game.

not looking to cause a problem, just interested to know why they are in the cold when both should offer more than playing someone OOP, especially with 5 subs available.

Why are you bemoaning our great depth in that position? 

I think the plan was to play Sykes further up field but the incredible emergence of Conway means we needed to fit things around. 

We have genuine selection headaches for the 1st time in a very long time and I am delighted by that. 

[Harry]

18 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Don't worry I'm fairly confident Wilson will make the position his own eventually, I think Pearson is just easing him in through training and occasional performances. 

Huge step up from League Two but he looks like he has the potential.

And Tanner? We have 2 of them on the bench. Pearson wanted to ease him in last year, now he’s not doing any easing at all, he’s doing a lot of sitting. He’s been fit since March, is he simply not good enough? 
Either of them would be fine. Hell, even a half each. Anything but Scott or Weimann please 

[Harry]

15 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Why are you bemoaning our great depth in that position? 

I think the plan was to play Sykes further up field but the incredible emergence of Conway means we needed to fit things around. 

We have genuine selection headaches for the 1st time in a very long time and I am delighted by that. 

Depth is fine, when the depth chart looks like this :

1 Wilson

2 Tanner

3 Sykes

4 Vyner

Not when 1,2&4 are fit and available and you choose your most creative midfielder or your top scorer. 

[BLRed]

I thought the idea was to have two wing backs for each position so that we can perform at maximum for an entire 90 by sharing the load and with 5 subs, it allows that and still to have standard subs.

we have used only dasilva in his natural wing backs role so far…. Discounting the cup, there has been no pring, wilson or tanner….

[DaveF]

4 minutes ago, Harry said:

And Tanner? We have 2 of them on the bench. Pearson wanted to ease him in last year, now he’s not doing any easing at all, he’s doing a lot of sitting. He’s been fit since March, is he simply not good enough? 
Either of them would be fine. Hell, even a half each. Anything but Scott or Weimann please 

I personally would have taken Wells off for Tanner to have a more defensive minded right back.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, DaveF said:

I personally would have taken Wells off for Tanner to have a more defensive minded right back.

I thought Tanner might have come on at 3-2 rather than King (or as part of a double sub) but clearly not.

I’ve only seen the home games but controversially I think Wilson has looked really nervous when he’s come on as a sub, against Cardiff he completely messed up a very easy pass to give Wells a tap in.

I appreciate it is only a sub appearance or two but I’ve not seen anything that suggests to me he should be first choice RWB yet.

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Nope. I’ll give it a rest when Scott or Weimann are no longer being played at right wing back. 
I don’t like it and I don’t know why people get so uppity about pointing it out. 

At a choice between what you think and NP an experienced manager who's sees them training everyday, I will trust NP

[Steve Watts]

It could be argued that even out of his natural position, Scott is one of the best players we have in that position.  Or indeed most positions on the pitch.  It wouldn't be a shock to see him jump in goal and save a penalty if we needed him to!

Obviously we need to utilise him where he's most impactful for the team, but if Tanner and Wilson aren't considered ready and Sykes, who has taken to the position extremely well, is unavailable then the options are few and far between.  Tanner and Wilson's time will come, but the step up is huge, and so we will just need to be patient.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Steve Watts

[BLRed]

If Scott was in the middle instead of James, I have no doubt that the phase of poor decisions leading to the equaliser wouldn’t have happened. Scott would have made himself available and done what he does very well, win free kicks to take pressure away. He should have been moved central, and tanner or wilson put at rwb. Take wells off and keep weimann up top to pressure alongside semenyo and Conway….

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

3 minutes ago, BLRed said:

If Scott was in the middle instead of James, I have no doubt that the phase of poor decisions leading to the equaliser wouldn’t have happened. Scott would have made himself available and done what he does very well, win free kicks to take pressure away. He should have been moved central, and tanner or wilson put at rwb. Take wells off and keep weimann up top to pressure alongside semenyo and Conway….

It’s easy, this football management lark, isn’t it?

[Harry]

56 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

At a choice between what you think and NP an experienced manager who's sees them training everyday, I will trust NP

Ah that old chestnut. 
Ok, Mr Shit Ref Again, I’ll remind you of that the next time you think we should have had a penalty and you think the ref is shit, even though he is vastly more experienced at refereeing than you and would have an infinitely better view of an incident. 

As I’ve said elsewhere, I really don’t think there is anything controversial in my opinion that we have 2 specialist right backs whom Pearson himself has spent money on whilst we are in a hugely tight financial situation, and proceeds to play our only creative midfielder there or our top goal scorer. 
 

It seems this opinion in unpopular and shouldn’t be mentioned! There’s a helluva lot of ‘Pearson can do no wrong’ sentiment around at the moment. 

[And Its Smith]

Wilson is the best RWB at the club in my mind. Certainly will be when he’s allowed to become accustomed to the position. Play him there and Scott in the middle 

[Sheltons Army]

27 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Wilson is the best RWB at the club in my mind. Certainly will be when he’s allowed to become accustomed to the position. Play him there and Scott in the middle 

Have you seen lots of him then ?

I’ve never commented on Wilson or his signing because I’ve seen very little of him , certainly nowhere near enough to have a limited view on  his capability for this level at the moment 

His stats and inclusion in L2 team of year is good , but it doesn’t make him ready for the Championship 

A lot seemed to swoon over him based on his stats - I can’t believe there are that many (There are some obvious , like Harry who have seen a fair bit  ) who have seen lots of him and enough to form a judgement

(I’m not saying he is / isn’t , or he won’t turn out to be the best RB we’ve had in decades)

Clearly Pearson and coaching staff don’t see him , or Tanner As first choice / ready atm (I quite liked Tanner in brief view we’ve had)

Maybe in opposition to higher quality players on training ground  some weaknesses for this level have been exposed

 

It doesn’t look great - two RBs brought in , albeit for low cost , but not playing.

One things for sure , although it’s far from ideal to have Scott utilised there, Id much rather that , than NP playing Tanner or Wilson if he doesn’t believe they are ready / up to it atm

Edited August 27, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[Davefevs]

Okay…my simple summary, Nige could use his subs better, I’d use our subs differently.

Today is a mix. I only saw last 10 mins of first half and got to say I wasn’t really in an analytical mode watching the second half either, so I really missed the nuances of what happened.

But h-t sub of Massengo for James at 1-1, then Semenyo for Scott at 1-2, we find ourselves 3-2 up.  So some positive reaction to at least one sub today, maybe two.  But then the third sub of King for Conway with 2 minutes left sees the final score of 3-3.

I thought we’d really use Wilson and Tanner / Dasilva and Pring extensively as sub / intensity options (with new 5 sub rule), but that hasn’t happened so far.  For me that would be a good question for the media to ask, if not somewhat brave question.  If asked in the right way, Nige might give us a really full answer.

But we are 6 games in, Wilson missed the end of pre-season, Pring much of it.  So it’s possible that has impacted things.

[old_eastender]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Okay…my simple summary, Nige could use his subs better, I’d use our subs differently.

Today is a mix. I only saw last 10 mins of first half and got to say I wasn’t really in an analytical mode watching the second half either, so I really missed the nuances of what happened.

But h-t sub of Massengo for James at 1-1, then Semenyo for Scott at 1-2, we find ourselves 3-2 up.  So some positive reaction to at least one sub today, maybe two.  But then the third sub of King for Conway with 2 minutes left sees the final score of 3-3.

I thought we’d really use Wilson and Tanner / Dasilva and Pring extensively as sub / intensity options (with new 5 sub rule), but that hasn’t happened so far.  For me that would be a good question for the media to ask, if not somewhat brave question.  If asked in the right way, Nige might give us a really full answer.

But we are 6 games in, Wilson missed the end of pre-season, Pring much of it.  So it’s possible that has impacted things.

Thought NP should have taken Wells off for Wilson and pushed Weimann up front, Wilson RWB. To me that would have strengthen both defence and attack as Wells looked all in for last 15 minutes and was not doing his usual closing down at all.

[Lordofthebling]

I thought Scott was pretty poor yesterday defensively and his distribution from the back. Seemed very casual. Better in the final third though. 

[Shuffle]

Think it’s bizarre that our RWB specialists in Wilson & Tanner find themselves this season behind Sykes, Scott, Weimann and Vyner got moved there mid game.  It’s only not an issue as we have dug out results and long May that continue but if I was Wilson or Tanner I’d be very concerned.  

[pl00peh91]

How has Wilson looked defensively in the two cup games?