slartibartfast Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Jerseybean said: As per the title, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63943512 Excellent news IMO whoopie shit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Red-Al said: We haven't won the WC since 1966, it's about time we did Why is it about time? What right do we have to win it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Selred said: Why is it about time? What right do we have to win it? In the World of Football England has the: wealthiest football association, if not the ‘best’, the most competitive and well-supported domestic league with a massive pyramid, significant investments in football development, coaching and infrastructure, one of the largest talent pools with the game being the Country’s No1 sport, obscenely high paid sportsmen and coaches, massive foreign influx of players and peoples into the Country providing ‘enrichment’, great fan support, advanced football science … …. and we combine all that with the most incompetent ‘old school’ FA administrators and distinctly average ‘FA mould’ managers to win diddly-squat for getting on 60 (a teletext - ‘sixty’) years. Oh Cloughie … as a ‘winner’, you’d have sorted this epic failure of a football organisation out big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, RedRock said: In the World of Football England has the: wealthiest football association, if not the ‘best’, the most competitive and well-supported domestic league with a massive pyramid, significant investments in football development, coaching and infrastructure, one of the largest talent pools with the game being the Country’s No1 sport, obscenely high paid sportsmen and coaches, massive foreign influx of players and peoples into the Country providing ‘enrichment’, great fan support, advanced football science … …. and we combine all that with the most incompetent ‘old school’ FA administrators and distinctly average ‘FA mould’ managers to win diddly-squat for getting on 60 (a teletext - ‘sixty’) years. Oh Cloughie … as a ‘winner’, you’d have sorted this epic failure of a football organisation out big time. And we have progressed accordingly. We've gone from serial underachievers, to a team who has reached a WC Semi, Euro's final, and were a missed penalty away from taking France to extra time. We also have a small pool of players, vs other countries. We don't have an Mbappe, or a Messi right now but our youth are improving based on all the great plus points above. Southgate has massively progressed English football, results and performances. However it's easy to forget, for you, that you're competing about every other country too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 I'd have been curious to see who would have got the job had he left, but he seems to be a calming influence. Increasingly, it seems that a 'club' manager is not necessarily a good 'national' manager. But he does have the advantage of a truly exceptional group of players. Now, let's see some of the 'solid' old-stagers like Henderson (a player I like) and Maguire (jury's out) challenged or replaced. Bellingham, though, wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 17 hours ago, pl00peh91 said: We’ll never win anything under Southgate despite being a penalty shootout away from winning something under Southgate We didn’t win. That’s the thing… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Selred said: And we have progressed accordingly. We've gone from serial underachievers, to a team who has reached a WC Semi, Euro's final, and were a missed penalty away from taking France to extra time. We also have a small pool of players, vs other countries. We don't have an Mbappe, or a Messi right now but our youth are improving based on all the great plus points above. Southgate has massively progressed English football, results and performances. However it's easy to forget, for you, that you're competing about every other country too! We’ve just been dumped out of the elite Nations Grouping to become a second tier side, held comfortably by the USA and beaten in the QFs by France, who were severely depleted by injuries to key players. Until we accept being failures is unacceptable - whether for the umpteenth time by reason of penalty shoot-outs or playing limp-wristed, passive, possession football, change won’t happen. The FA were made to look like t**ts while waiting for Southgate to make HIS mind up over whether HE wishes to continue sums up the bunch of losers they are. A reminder, a culture is set from the top. Clearly, there are people who think our football leaders are winners. I’m afraid I don’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, RedRock said: In the World of Football England has the: wealthiest football association, if not the ‘best’, the most competitive and well-supported domestic league with a massive pyramid, significant investments in football development, coaching and infrastructure, one of the largest talent pools with the game being the Country’s No1 sport, obscenely high paid sportsmen and coaches, massive foreign influx of players and peoples into the Country providing ‘enrichment’, great fan support, advanced football science … …. and we combine all that with the most incompetent ‘old school’ FA administrators and distinctly average ‘FA mould’ managers to win diddly-squat for getting on 60 (a teletext - ‘sixty’) years. Oh Cloughie … as a ‘winner’, you’d have sorted this epic failure of a football organisation out big time. That dynamic shift has come about in the last 30ish years, not 60. And only in the last 10, after massive failures, have we really set about having a plan. We've seen decent levels of success in our youth teams which would suggest we're heading in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, frenchred said: That'll be the tomori who has had a shocker of a season up to now yeah? An example of one player, I’m not saying they need to start every game, but I think we need to be looking at which players could be starting for us after the euros ahead of the next World Cup, if Southgate focuses on a core of 15 ish players who’ll be prominent for us at the euros, we’ll then have less than 2 years ahead of the next World Cup to bed people in should Stones/Maguire in this example or any senior player go downhill quickly. I think we need better succession planning. Equally if Kane got a serious injury whose the next serious option as a centre forward for England and how much exposure have they had? Edited December 19, 2022 by Lrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 hours ago, frenchred said: That'll be the tomori who has had a shocker of a season up to now yeah? Glad to see opinions on here being based on 18 minutes of champions league football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Glad to see opinions on here being based on 18 minutes of champions league football. Are you suggesting @frenchred doesn't watch loads of AC Milan matches?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Red-Al said: He's achieved nothing,and won nothing, WHY? Managed to get boring boro relegated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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