italian dave Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 Just to complete the set, alongside standing v sitting…. The flare thrown by the Birmingham fans yesterday landed in the disabled section and hit one disabled fan on the head. Clever. Still….atmosphere, eh? https://fanbanter.co.uk/birmingham-fans-condemned-after-incident-at-bristol-city-leaves-disabled-supporters-shaken/ 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, italian dave said: Just to complete the set, alongside standing v sitting…. The flare thrown by the Birmingham fans yesterday landed in the disabled section and hit one disabled fan on the head. Clever. Still….atmosphere, eh? https://fanbanter.co.uk/birmingham-fans-condemned-after-incident-at-bristol-city-leaves-disabled-supporters-shaken/ We'd get a fine if our fans did that. Will Brum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Well it's obvious,stewards not searching properly, and there is CCTV, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, Red-Al said: Well it's obvious,stewards not searching properly, and there is CCTV, The only way to stop flares being taken into the ground, apart from heavy punishments for those that throw them, is a full body search before supporters enter. You can’t blame stewards for not doing this as they aren’t required to do so. CCTV is the best hope as it can, possibly, identify the perpetrators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Makes me think of the old Soccer AM sketch Edited January 16, 2023 by iamalagerdrinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: The only way to stop flares being taken into the ground, apart from heavy punishments for those that throw them, is a full body search before supporters enter. You can’t blame stewards for not doing this as they aren’t required to do so. CCTV is the best hope as it can, possibly, identify the perpetrators I use to be a steward, yes you are required to search supporters before the enter the ground, that's there job, so it's obvious they are not doing it properly, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) It would be great if a safe version of them could be developed and allowed to be used because they do look good. I also like the smell of pyro. I know they can be hazardous to some people though. Edited January 16, 2023 by Phileas Fogg 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Red-Al said: I use to be a steward, yes you are required to search supporters before the enter the ground, that's there job, so it's obvious they are not doing it properly, Come off it - how many times has there been a full body search of supporters before a game? Imagine what it would involve during the winter. People opening their coats and then having a pat down of their body to ensure nothing is hidden. I’ve been going to the grown since the 60s and that has never happened. The closest was occasional I was asked to open my coat, which didn’t prove much as I could easily have had a concealed flare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Away fans can be searched pretty stringently but otoh as I understand it flares and pyro can be tiny and really easy to conceal. Pretty sure there are lengthy bans for possession or use, dunno if there is prosecution too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Come off it - how many times has there been a full body search of supporters before a game? Imagine what it would involve during the winter. People opening their coats and then having a pat down of their body to ensure nothing is hidden. I’ve been going to the grown since the 60s and that has never happened. The closest was occasional I was asked to open my coat, which didn’t prove much as I could easily have had a concealed flare Clearly searching to that level can't work practically. The only way of stopping this is for good CCTV and very large punishments. Bans that aren't at all well enforced don't seem to do much either. If someone let one of these things off in Broadmead am sure the police would be involved and there would be criminal charges. Don't see why this should't be the case in a densely packed football stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Come off it - how many times has there been a full body search of supporters before a game? Imagine what it would involve during the winter. People opening their coats and then having a pat down of their body to ensure nothing is hidden. I’ve been going to the grown since the 60s and that has never happened. The closest was occasional I was asked to open my coat, which didn’t prove much as I could easily have had a concealed flare If you remember, they did briefly do pat down searches for about two games after that bloke blew himself up outside that Liverpool hospital. Obviously, the thinking is terrorists* will only ever attack in the few weeks after another terror attack but after about a month, they'll get bored and everything will be safe again. Of course, it actually made the matches more of a safety hazard because, even with the extra stewards the club hired, it led to bottlenecks and crowds building up outside the ground, rather than folks entering and taking their seats. * We know now that the bloke was just a nutter with seemingly no political or religious motivation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Come off it - how many times has there been a full body search of supporters before a game? Imagine what it would involve during the winter. People opening their coats and then having a pat down of their body to ensure nothing is hidden. I’ve been going to the grown since the 60s and that has never happened. The closest was occasional I was asked to open my coat, which didn’t prove much as I could easily have had a concealed flare When I was a steward,it was a full body search,from top to bottom, feeling the hood on the jacket,down to the ankles,and woman stewards did the same to a female fan, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Come off it - how many times has there been a full body search of supporters before a game? Imagine what it would involve during the winter. People opening their coats and then having a pat down of their body to ensure nothing is hidden. I’ve been going to the grown since the 60s and that has never happened. The closest was occasional I was asked to open my coat, which didn’t prove much as I could easily have had a concealed flare Only time I can ever remember this was at the Etihad for our away cup game 4 or 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: We'd get a fine if our fans did that. Will Brum? Depends on whether or not this is as regular an occurrence for them as it was for us last season I guess. I can't recall us being fined, but if we were then it will have been for multiple infractions I'm sure. 46 minutes ago, Red-Al said: When I was a steward,it was a full body search,from top to bottom, feeling the hood on the jacket,down to the ankles,and woman stewards did the same to a female fan, When and where were you a steward? I've certainly never been subjected to that at the Gate and my wife, who was a steward for about 5 years until 2011 didn't have to perform that sort of search at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 It was weird because i could smell it but couldn't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Flares were regularly taken into grounds during the seventies 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Depends on whether or not this is as regular an occurrence for them as it was for us last season I guess. I can't recall us being fined, but if we were then it will have been for multiple infractions I'm sure. When and where were you a steward? I've certainly never been subjected to that at the Gate and my wife, who was a steward for about 5 years until 2011 didn't have to perform that sort of search at all. Too early, I was a steward 2012 -2016, had to retire due to a heart attack, it changed in 2012, we had to do the same thing as premiership stewards did, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, southside said: Flares were regularly taken into grounds during the seventies I think you mean worn 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: I think you mean worn Perhaps he was one of those streakers we used to get occasionally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: It would be great if a safe version of them could be developed and allowed to be used because they do look good. I also like the smell of pyro. I know they can be hazardous to some people though. Or as we say when playing Birmingham, "I like the smell of pyro at 4.45pm. It smells like victory" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Red-Al said: Too early, I was a steward 2012 -2016, had to retire due to a heart attack, it changed in 2012, we had to do the same thing as premiership stewards did, I certainly was never subjected to a pat down before going through the turnstile....seems even then some stewards were doing their jobs while others couldn't be bothered I guess. Thanks for clarifying though and hope the health has been good post 2016! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombsy Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 Easier to use sniffer dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Coombsy said: Easier to use sniffer dogs It would cut down on the drug use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Steve Watts said: I certainly was never subjected to a pat down before going through the turnstile....seems even then some stewards were doing their jobs while others couldn't be bothered I guess. Thanks for clarifying though and hope the health has been good post 2016! Thanks fellow Red, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Davey Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 hours ago, BigTone said: I think you mean worn yes anyone remember the flared tracksuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjb Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 41 minutes ago, Jim Davey said: yes anyone remember the flared tracksuit Oh yes, there’s a picture of me in a photo album round my parents house wearing an Umbro city tracksuit in the late 70s I’m guessing. Flarey nice ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 16, 2023 Report Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Coombsy said: Easier to use sniffer dogs They didn’t do their job properly at Fulham a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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