P'head Red Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 It will be sad to see the back of HNM. But it's been on the cards for much of the season. The lad doesn't belong in the u21s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: Indeed it was I. A passing thought that went to a whole different level of speculation. I found it really entertaining! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) I put the blame more with the club than Massengo on this one. Fact is, we're the ones that dished out a big transfer fee (£2.7m) and lavish wages for a player that ultimately hasn't lived up to that kind of financial commitment. We're the ones that couldn't really find a definitive position for HNM in the starting 11. It's been my understanding that the player/player's reps have made it clear for a long time (more than a year ago) that he wouldn't be signing a new deal. Problem was, because of what we paid for HNM in fees and wages, it was very unlikely any club interested was going to be able to afford the fees and wages required to take him off us. Until now of course, when Auxerre (promoted last season from Ligue 2) can probably just about afford him and take the chance he may help them to stay up. Most of us were delighted to see the club take this kind of calculated risk when we signed HNM. But signing young players from abroad is high risk unless they are exceptional talents. This gamble just didn't quite work out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Edited January 30, 2023 by Kid in the Riot 16 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Massengo? More like Massengone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) Ironically although it may leave us a little exposed at times, Massengo and his energy combined with reasonable technical ability could probably slot into the current CM 3. Ship has not just sailed but gone round two sets of harbours but always thought he's best suited to a CM 3. Perhaps a genuine 4-3-3 or something closer to a bit like what we're playing now. Edited January 30, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said: Massengo? More like Massengone That is superb work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Percy Pig said: He's been a joy to watch Can you explain what about his performances have been a joy to watch? I can only think of one game where he was outstanding and that was Derby away in August 2019. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 5 hours ago, And Its Smith said: ‘But we signed him for £7m’ incoming….. Were we signing him on behalf of Chelsea or something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said: Can you explain what about his performances have been a joy to watch? I can only think of one game where he was outstanding and that was Derby away in August 2019. Oh dear. Joy to watch doesn’t have to be outstanding, can be good, decent, pretty good, etc. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Oh dear. Joy to watch doesn’t have to be outstanding, can be good, decent, pretty good, etc. In your opinion. In my mind it is something that could be considered marvellous or wonderful which is different. Alex Scott’s performance on Saturday was a joy to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said: In your opinion. In my mind it is something that could be considered marvellous or wonderful which is different. Alex Scott’s performance on Saturday was a joy to watch. How many many players in the last 50 years can we measure against Alex Scott is that is your yard stick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverRed Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 In my opinion, a performance like Scott's is about as rare as rocking horse s**t. HNM hasn't done bad for us and I'm sure he'll develop into a much better player! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said: How many many players in the last 50 years can we measure against Alex Scott is that is your yard stick It’s not, I just said that would be a good example for use of the term. I suppose it all comes down to how easily you are impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Well he's going a top-flight club, albeit a struggling one. Can't blame him. He wants to get game time. I think those that said in the right sort of set-up he'd thrive and show his class, are right. Although Auxerre are again struggling, they have a rich history. It's just a shame the great Guy Roux is no longer there, otherwise he would have Han-Noah playing for France within a season or two. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: He's technically brilliant, his jinking runs and use of sublime pieces of skill like in tight areas was always a highlight for me. His ball mastery and willingness to receive under pressure (thankfully, Scott is even better at this) were the elements of his game that made me think he could be a midfielder who would take us to the next level in terms of style of play. A bit OTT to say the least that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: I put the blame more with the club than Massengo on this one. Fact is, we're the ones that dished out a big transfer fee (£2.7m) and lavish wages for a player that ultimately hasn't lived up to that kind of financial commitment. We're the ones that couldn't really find a definitive position for HNM in the starting 11. It's been my understanding that the player/player's reps have made it clear for a long time (more than a year ago) that he wouldn't be signing a new deal. Problem was, because of what we paid for HNM in fees and wages, it was very unlikely any club interested was going to be able to afford the fees and wages required to take him off us. Until now of course, when Auxerre (promoted last season from Ligue 2) can probably just about afford him and take the chance he may help them to stay up. Most of us were delighted to see the club take this kind of calculated risk when we signed HNM. But signing young players from abroad is high risk unless they are exceptional talents. This gamble just didn't quite work out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I know I said this on another post but I think big lesson here is that it's not worth signing a young player from abroad, even on a four year contract, unless they are ready to compete for a place immediately. If they are going to take a couple of years to get up to speed, and they've clearly moved to us as a stepping stone, then it's fairly predictable that we'll end up in a situation where they have two years to go on their contract and are eyeing up their next move before we've got value for money for them. It's a bit different with someone like Bajic or Ivan Lukic a few years ago, as both moved on a free and are low risk if it doesn't work. But the major issue with Massengo is the risk just wasn't that well calculated in the first place. You're right that it's easy for me, as someone who doesn't work in football, to sit and say this with the benefit of hindsight. But I do think it is the kind of thing that anyone who actually works in football recruitment should have seen from the very beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Tony Tootle said: It’s not, I just said that would be a good example for use of the term. I suppose it all comes down to how easily you are impressed. By the setting your bar that high, you cant have walked away from the gate very often enjoying yourself then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORANGE500 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Although Auxerre are again struggling, they have a rich history. It's just a shame the great Guy Roux is no longer there, otherwise he would have Han-Noah playing for France within a season or two. You are joking RIGHT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Auxerre apparently looking at Siriki Dembele aswell, so they’re obviously looking a lot in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Tony Tootle said: Can you explain what about his performances have been a joy to watch? I can only think of one game where he was outstanding and that was Derby away in August 2019. Preston last season, just for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Agard Days Night said: Massengo? More like Massengone Admit it. You've been holding on to that gem for months haven't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 @LondonBristolianLukic cost us a fee! Circa £400k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Although Auxerre are again struggling, they have a rich history. It's just a shame the great Guy Roux is no longer there, otherwise he would have Han-Noah playing for France within a season or two. Seeing as he’s 84 now that would be a reign almost as long as the late Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Confirmed. Another one bites the dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Admit it. You've been holding on to that gem for months haven't you? I have not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: The statement is very brief for a player we are highly unlikely to ever see again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said: The statement is very brief for a player we are highly unlikely to ever see again. Because he hasn't permanently gone yet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said: The statement is very brief for a player we are highly unlikely to ever see again. perhaps it was rushed because of the FA Cup draw? It only appeared on Twitter just before the draw. Shame to see him go but if he doesn't want to be here, what can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 OS short and sweet too…https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/massengo-joins-auxerre-on-loan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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