Alex Scott - £25m to Bournemouth- Confirmed

[FabledRobin]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

What's he been spot on with out of interest? Never heard of him and his recent tweets suggest he knows nothing more than the rest of us.

What I do agree with him is that a deal WORTH £25m could be acceptable to City. I've never thought, nor have I heard, City saying the £25m has to be up front or even guaranteed. 

So for example £22m plus a few mill in realistic add ons could be acceptable.

Things are quiet and I think that means things are progressing behind closed doors.

IIRC he was the first to break the Roberts story and has been most accurate as a source of city knowledge in the past 18 months or so

[RedRoss]

7 minutes ago, FabledRobin said:

IIRC he was the first to break the Roberts story and has been most accurate as a source of city knowledge in the past 18 months or so

Sorry but he just retweeted the story Pete O'Rourke put out.

 

[Kid in the Riot]

13 minutes ago, FabledRobin said:

IIRC he was the first to break the Roberts story and has been most accurate as a source of city knowledge in the past 18 months or so

Sorry, but I don't think so 

[steviestevieneville]

13 minutes ago, FabledRobin said:

IIRC he was the first to break the Roberts story and has been most accurate as a source of city knowledge in the past 18 months or so

He doesn’t break anything . Just another sad wannabe 

[Lew-T]

22 minutes ago, FabledRobin said:

IIRC he was the first to break the Roberts story and has been most accurate as a source of city knowledge in the past 18 months or so

He is Roy’s younger brother.

[Merrick's Marvels]

2 hours ago, 38MC said:

It’s usually hard to disagree with what you say about other teams missing out by smaller margins but when you look at Blackburn they’ve lost their main striker, Millwall signed someone we would not guarantee football for yada yada yada. 
 

Normally I would agree with you, but I don’t think this time around we are ‘normal’ as per that bunch. We’ve got a lot of young players coming up with another year’s experience and realising their potential. Our springboard is that much greater if you will without strengthening; but we have done just that. We’ve had a really good window so far I think notwithstanding what happens with Scott, and we have a few signed in January 2023 who will have had more time to settle and hit the ground running. Didn’t Alex Ferguson say something along the lines of his January signings were with a view to the following season. 
 

There’s a lot of logic in what you say but we are an outlier I think. We did have that many decisions go against us and we did start the season with a lot of inexperience. We go into this one with a clean slate but much more experience. 
 

I think we are going to be a surprise package this year. I wouldn’t say playoffs is the measure of a good season, it’s far too soon for that and we have to allow for the youth to grow. But I think we have a feel good factor, we could hit the ground running, and I wouldn’t want anyone else in charge. COYR! 

Obviously I hope you're spot on. But I'm not so optimistic - specifically I don't think the young inexperienced (at Championship level) players we have will make such a big leap forward, certainly not to the point that we'll overtake the likes of Norwich, Watford, West Brom and one or two others (Boro for one), never mind the relegated teams. I simply don't believe the forward line in particular will prove better than the above, for us to leapfrog into the playoffs. All the while, trying to transition from a counter attacking team to one who can dominate games through possession - after selling the best midfielder we've had in nigh on 50 years! 

Finishing in the top 10 would be a good effort for me. But hopefully, I'm wrong and it pans out like you say.

And I wouldn't have anyone else in charge right now, either

Edited July 19, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[mozo]

1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

I’m interested why you think that Wednesday will go down. To be honest I haven’t taken much interest in the club but with a big fan base, and hence income, there should be the possibility of making some signings before the window closes. At the moment it seems to be players leaving and nobody coming in, but there is still time 

They're in a bit of a mess at the moment. They only have a limited squad and the new manager has no money to spend. Their squad is getting on in age and they don't have any good youngsters coming through. Theyre pinning their hopes on signing a 35 year old Troy Deeney and they might even have to start Bakinson! 

[Mr Popodopolous]

11 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Obviously I hope you're spot on. But I'm not so optimistic - specifically I don't think the young inexperienced (at Championship level) players we have will make such a big leap forward, certainly not to the point that we'll overtake the likes of Norwich, Watford, West Brom and one or two others (Boro for one), never mind the relegated teams. I simply don't believe the forward line in particular will prove better than the above, for us to leapfrog into the playoffs. All the while, trying to transition from a counter attacking team to one who can dominate games through possession - after selling the best midfielder we've had in nigh on 50 years! 

Finishing in the top 10 would be a good effort for me. But hopefully, I'm wrong and it pans out like you say.

And I wouldn't have anyone else in charge right now, either

In some ways Norwich, Watford and West Brom could take a step forward. All have managers with a proper pre season and for a while West Brom were really flying under Corberan.

Otoh Norwich and Watford are in 2nd year of Parachute Payments although that £30m for Watford will come in very handy! (Joao Pedro). Not sure either have especially strengthened this summer. A balancing act for these two as a £30-35m fall in income next year awaits if they stay down and a £22m fall in FFP headroom.

West Brom are now out of Parachute Payments and their squad, their depth has been thinning out a bit this summer. That said for Corberan to get Huddersfield to the play-off final on a reported wage bill of £24m was it, should give them some real hope.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

Norwich - cutting cloth accordingly

 

Watford - I’be worried as a fan, looking like another mid-table finish to me.

 

WBA - Cashflow!

[myol'man]

Jordan Henderson to Saudi.

Liverpool to enter the race? 

[Unan]

3 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Jordan Henderson to Saudi.

Liverpool to enter the race? 

No

[Simon bristol]

20 minutes ago, mozo said:

They're in a bit of a mess at the moment. They only have a limited squad and the new manager has no money to spend. Their squad is getting on in age and they don't have any good youngsters coming through. Theyre pinning their hopes on signing a 35 year old Troy Deeney and they might even have to start Bakinson! 

Was up in sheffield at the weekend and chatted to some wednesday lads,, they were quoting 14 senior pros currently as their first team squad… conpared to that we are pretty well settled!

[W-S-M Seagull]

13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Norwich - cutting cloth accordingly

 

Watford - I’be worried as a fan, looking like another mid-table finish to me.

 

WBA - Cashflow!

I'd still like us to go for that Kipre. Although seems they have him in their plans this season as they've given him the no 4 shirt.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I'd still like us to go for that Kipre. Although seems they have him in their plans this season as they've given him the no 4 shirt.

Not sure West Brom will be making many signings all told. Some loans perhaps but beyond that..

Maybe if they need to get wage bill down they'd be open to a deal- they are reportedly covering 30 percent of Grant's wages at Cardiff (70-30 split).

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Simon bristol]

29 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Obviously I hope you're spot on. But I'm not so optimistic - specifically I don't think the young inexperienced (at Championship level) players we have will make such a big leap forward, certainly not to the point that we'll overtake the likes of Norwich, Watford, West Brom and one or two others (Boro for one), never mind the relegated teams. I simply don't believe the forward line in particular will prove better than the above, for us to leapfrog into the playoffs. All the while, trying to transition from a counter attacking team to one who can dominate games through possession - after selling the best midfielder we've had in nigh on 50 years! 

Finishing in the top 10 would be a good effort for me. But hopefully, I'm wrong and it pans out like you say.

And I wouldn't have anyone else in charge right now, either

I pretty much agree.. but i think bell will really come on strong this season and will get at least 10, and conway will get 20,,, injuries permitting… the rest though not including scott,, im inclined to agree.. there does seem a lot of people with a lot of optimism on here,, but apart from 2/3 of the lads, theres not a lot of real top end championship quality i dont think?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Nico Gonzalez, Wolves reportedly not in for him now if indeed they ever were.

[Johnny Musicworks]

39 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

I pretty much agree.. but i think bell will really come on strong this season and will get at least 10, and conway will get 20,,, injuries permitting… the rest though not including scott,, im inclined to agree.. there does seem a lot of people with a lot of optimism on here,, but apart from 2/3 of the lads, theres not a lot of real top end championship quality i dont think?

I think that many might have said the likes of Coventry, Millwall and Luton lacked top-end Championship quality at the start of last season. Don’t underestimate the strength of a good well organised solid squad that have a great work ethic.

[Mr Popodopolous]

From the same article, Wolves local journalist.

Isn't some of the online formatting of these articles terrible btw!

"Wolves are also still in talks for".

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

12 months ago I got laughed at for suggesting Newcastle should sign him. One year on I still don’t get why they aren’t. 

As I've also said, would be a great fit for Alex..and for Newcastle.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Son of Fred

[Monkeh]

3 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

As I've also said, would be a great fit for Alex..and for Newcastle.

I dont agree, Newcastle need champions league quality players at the moment, and as good as Scott is, he isnt hat good yet,

No doubt they will be interested but they will have to pay the premium a few years down the line,

[Dredd]

And that's the ideal scenario for us. Move to a mid table side like Wolves, absolutely smash it, get sold for triple figures so we get more money in the sell on clause

[1960maaan]

10 hours ago, chinapig said:

As I posted earlier he said FFP was a new factor in his job so presumably he's only just found out about it.

He should know better, his Bournemouth side were found guilty of FFP breach in 2016. I'm guessing that would cover their promotion season (14/15) . So for cheating their way up they got fined under £5M 

Easy to forget that though and he's probably thinking one slip and a "Big name" will be brought in to replace him so wants to try and spend as much as he can while he can.

9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Not sure West Brom will be making many signings all told. Some loans perhaps but beyond that..

Maybe if they need to get wage bill down they'd be open to a deal- they are reportedly covering 30 percent of Grant's wages at Cardiff (70-30 split).

I'm sure I read an article previewing the coming season, that said they were still trying to juggle finances and were tight on funds. If that is true then even "good" loans may be a stretch . I didn't realise they were that strapped for cash.

[Port Said Red]

20 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

He should know better, his Bournemouth side were found guilty of FFP breach in 2016. I'm guessing that would cover their promotion season (14/15) . So for cheating their way up they got fined under £5M 

Easy to forget that though and he's probably thinking one slip and a "Big name" will be brought in to replace him so wants to try and spend as much as he can while he can.

I'm sure I read an article previewing the coming season, that said they were still trying to juggle finances and were tight on funds. If that is true then even "good" loans may be a stretch . I didn't realise they were that strapped for cash.

Didn't they take a "payday loan" out last season? Maybe more of a cash flow problem, but maybe repayments are hurting them?

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Didn't they take a "payday loan" out last season? Maybe more of a cash flow problem, but maybe repayments are hurting them?

MSD, £20m iirc.

Think the internet was SONA plus Base Rate, which comes in at 11 to 12 percent.

Last season was their second and final year of Parachute Payments- down to the £9-10m combining EFL cash and Solidarity Payments. While they have Corberan based on his final year at Huddersfield they have some hope IMO but if he was to quit..

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

Easy to forget that though and he's probably thinking one slip and a "Big name" will be brought in to replace him

My son, to my eternal shame, is a longstanding Newcastle fan and says that Howe is an amazing coach, able to improve ordinary players and is tactically very clued up. I expect his employers know this as well and won’t sack him with just one ‘slip’ . 

[1960maaan]

17 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

My son, to my eternal shame, is a longstanding Newcastle fan and says that Howe is an amazing coach, able to improve ordinary players and is tactically very clued up. I expect his employers know this as well and won’t sack him with just one ‘slip’ . 

He has done well , I like him. I did fully expect him to go as soon as the new owners settled in. He's done well, but I still wonder if the owners love of high Profile, means he's under more scrutiny from above than a more established name would be. Of course there is every chance he could turn out to be a very top coach, that would be good for both sides.

[Monkeh]

13 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

He has done well , I like him. I did fully expect him to go as soon as the new owners settled in. He's done well, but I still wonder if the owners love of high Profile, means he's under more scrutiny from above than a more established name would be. Of course there is every chance he could turn out to be a very top coach, that would be good for both sides.

I also don't like people holding Bournemouth ffp breach against howe,

It's nothing to do with howe, he doesn't set the budgets, he spends them, those setting the budgets and doing the accounts are at fault,

Howe I think is a top top coach and a future England manager if he wants that job,

He has done a very good job at Newcastle 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Monkeh

[Major Isewater]

34 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

He has done well , I like him. I did fully expect him to go as soon as the new owners settled in. He's done well, but I still wonder if the owners love of high Profile, means he's under more scrutiny from above than a more established name would be. Of course there is every chance he could turn out to be a very top coach, that would be good for both sides.

If the team are being successful then they will have a ‘ high profile ‘ . 

[Mr Popodopolous]

23 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

I also don't like people holding Bournemouth ffp breach against howe,

It's nothing to do with howe, he doesn't set the budgets, he spends them, those setting the budgets and doing the accounts are at fault,

Howe I think is a top top coach and a future England manager if he wants that job,

He has done a very good job at Newcastle 

Agree to an extent although he had some things to say about it in 2015. He didn't exactly defend it but there's a link somewhere in the thread.

Pearson e.g. otoh, would not willingly break FFP, would take ownership and almost seems to spend the clubs money as if its his own. Having fair thst it us rare but "I don't believe in collecting players" or "Won't sign a player for sake of it" and similar.. that's very rare, refreshing, careful and focusing on the wider health of the club in a way that a lot of managers may not.

Agree on a lot of what you say about Howe though, certain players there have been transformed in his time.

[Ian M]

12 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Obviously I hope you're spot on. But I'm not so optimistic - specifically I don't think the young inexperienced (at Championship level) players we have will make such a big leap forward, certainly not to the point that we'll overtake the likes of Norwich, Watford, West Brom and one or two others (Boro for one), never mind the relegated teams. I simply don't believe the forward line in particular will prove better than the above, for us to leapfrog into the playoffs. All the while, trying to transition from a counter attacking team to one who can dominate games through possession - after selling the best midfielder we've had in nigh on 50 years! 

Finishing in the top 10 would be a good effort for me. But hopefully, I'm wrong and it pans out like you say.

And I wouldn't have anyone else in charge right now, either

From the Coventry home game through to the West Brom home game we had a pretty bad run of injuries that started with us fielding a midfield of King/Weimann/Massengo and included being forced into playing players like Tanner, Pring and King at CB. Aside from this run we accumulated points in the other 34 games at a rate of 67 per season, not far off play-off rate.

Hopefully the added depth this Summer's dealings have provided would enable us to handle such a run of injuries better.

Then you can start to think of factors such as;

• have the signings improved our strongest XI?
• can we have a season of more even decisions from officials?
• are the likes of Tanner, Pring, Bell, Conway etc better than a year ago?