Popular Post luke_bristol Posted July 12, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Celebrate that! 9 30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 He'll probably sign for the Blue Few now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 now we know that he betted on a red card in the match 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 375 offences is a lot. I wonder what category they fall in and whether he's got any mitigating elements to it. Will be interesting how it all compares to Toney's case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: 375 offences is a lot. I wonder what category they fall in and whether he's got any mitigating elements to it. Will be interesting how it all compares to Toney's case. Odd that it’s all between 2014 and 2017. Six to nine years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, luke_bristol said: Celebrate that! Classy individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Has he got a gambling problem? Should we be mocking that regardless of player? Or should there be help available for people with these problems? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, Leveller said: Odd that it’s all between 2014 and 2017. Six to nine years ago. Probably around the time the Authorities started looking into it. Barton got an 18 month ban in 2017 which probably put wind up a lot of players and they stopped the betting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Wow I sure hated him 8 years ago Seems like a decent bloke otherwise though so this is a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhurst Red Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: Has he got a gambling problem? Should we be mocking that regardless of player? Or should there be help available for people with these problems? True - but if you actively celebrate an opposite teams player getting sent off in the way he did, then he needs to take the rough with the smooth. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said: True - but if you actively celebrate an opposite teams player getting sent off in the way he did, then he needs to take the rough with the smooth. It was 8 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 No knowing if he was celebrating in the picture as he had a bet on a red card. It was certainly during the period in question. Just saying... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: 375 offences is a lot. I wonder what category they fall in and whether he's got any mitigating elements to it. Will be interesting how it all compares to Toney's case. If it's that many, I'm guessing it's an accumulator. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 55 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Probably around the time the Authorities started looking into it. Barton got an 18 month ban in 2017 which probably put wind up a lot of players and they stopped the betting.. I wonder how many other players the FA are pursing from this period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 How does the F.A obtain the information? Are betting records publicly available or do players have to give permission/consent to them accessing them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 hours ago, BS3City said: He'll probably sign for the Blue Few now... Not sure he's punched anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Not sure he's punched anyone or a Horse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 23 minutes ago, Red Cloud said: or a Horse Backed a few mind.......................... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, SBB said: How does the F.A obtain the information? Are betting records publicly available or do players have to give permission/consent to them accessing them? The Betting companies report it to the FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: The Betting companies report it to the FA. Indeed, it's in the betting companies interest, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: The Betting companies report it to the FA. There are some interesting documents linked at the bottom of this article https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Monkeh said: Has he got a gambling problem? Should we be mocking that regardless of player? Or should there be help available for people with these problems? I had a gambling problem..my horses were slower than the rest ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Monkeh said: Has he got a gambling problem? Should we be mocking that regardless of player? Or should there be help available for people with these problems? In his case...who gives a shit? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 Certainly seems the more successful and famous you get, the more likely you are to be subject to scrutiny. If he was still playing for Swindon would this have come to light? Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: Certainly seems the more successful and famous you get, the more likely you are to be subject to scrutiny. If he was still playing for Swindon would this have come to light? Doubt it. The FA charge plenty of lower league players and coaches with betting offences. Some of the heaviest penalties have been handed out to players none of us have ever heard of. It would have come to light, maybe not reported on BBC Sport, but yes it would likely have been investigated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Leveller said: Odd that it’s all between 2014 and 2017. Six to nine years ago. Which makes him 19-21 at the time. That could be a mitigating factor that reduces his punishment. Age itself is not a mitigating factor but the "experience of the Participant" is taken into account, with less experienced players receiving more leniency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: The FA charge plenty of lower league players and coaches with betting offences. Some of the heaviest penalties have been handed out to players none of us have ever heard of. It would have come to light, maybe not reported on BBC Sport, but yes it would likely have been investigated. Ahhh. Suppose it’s not newsworthy if they play for insignificant league one teams - the blue few for example. But I suppose they’re not into betting, they like harder stuff like woman beating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Ahhh. Suppose it’s not newsworthy if they play for insignificant league one teams - the blue few for example. But I suppose they’re not into betting, they like harder stuff like woman beating. Quite. But on a serious note - just in June 2023 there were 5 betting charges brought by the FA against players for such famous outfits as Olympique Mayonnaise FC (Daniel Bohan), Bradford City FC (Harry Chapman whilst playing for Blackburn Rovers), two players from Middlesex Arms FC, and Dorchester Town (Harvey Bradbury, 454 bets placed between May 2019 and Feb 2023). Then in the last year or so there have been the cases of Kynan Isaac (Stratford Town FC, 347 bets of a low £value, but very seriously betting on red cards (which was considered to be match-fixing) and Isaac showed no remorse or co-operation, 12 year ban, £5,000 fine) and Kenny Amor, chairman/part-owner of Eastleigh FC (nearly 14,000 bets placed across 8 seasons totalling £235,000 staked and £38,200 lost. 40 month ban, £1,000 fine). So there are some huges cases out there, but they don't get reported in the press. Players like Toffolo and Toney get the headlines because they are big names and play for high profile clubs. Toney was a a big case and his punishment was pretty hefty. Without knowing the details of Toffolo's charges I'd expect he's looking at something around a 6 month ban and a 5 figure fine. However if, as people are joking about here, if any of these bets concern Toffolo himself getting carded, then the Isaac case suggests the FA will consider that to be match-fixing and would recommend starting the sentence at a life time ban, which could then be reduced through mitigation. The FA publish all of their charges and decisions here FA Disciplinary: suspensions, written reasons, Fair Play (thefa.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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