Scott Twine - Loan Confirmed - No option to buy

[Bo Andersons dietician]

I don’t get the negativity. 
First choice was Azaz. He chose Boro. 
If our next options weren’t available / were too expensive in this window then what do we want the club to do? Just persist with zero creativity until the end of the season?

Burnley have no reason to do us a favour with low buy option. 

If this move means we are more creative, score more goals, push us a few places up the league and generally make going to Ashton Gate more fun for the rest of the season then I’m all for it. 

[George Rs]

Just a side note, with Everton and Nottingham Forest potentially facing points deductions for breaking FFP regulations it makes Burnley’s survival chances look a lot better.

If they do end up staying in the prem I’d assume our chances of signing Twine would be much better, if we want to in the summer that is. 

[Alessandro]

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

Edited January 16 by Alessandro

[Numero Uno]

9 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

........and it is valid to ask the questions without being labelled negative, pathetic, a "Karen" blah blah blah. Half a dozen or so people totally hijacked and, in all honesty, ruined this thread last night.

[Lrrr]

27 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

We're unlikely to ever know the figure. 

However he's certainly not cost us 50p. Loans are expensive. 

If he were to lead us to the premier league, that's value for money. But let's be honest, we wrote this season off a long time ago and he's not going to be leading us to the premier league. So in that sense I don't really see the point in bringing in a short term costly signing. May aswell concentrate on the future. 

Not necessarily

[Galley is our king]

18 minutes ago, Bo Andersons dietician said:

I don’t get the negativity. 
First choice was Azaz. He chose Boro. 
If our next options weren’t available / were too expensive in this window then what do we want the club to do? Just persist with zero creativity until the end of the season?

Burnley have no reason to do us a favour with low buy option. 

If this move means we are more creative, score more goals, push us a few places up the league and generally make going to Ashton Gate more fun for the rest of the season then I’m all for it. 

What do we want the club to do?

Do this type of business in the SUMMER!

If they think he will really improve us then why not for the whole season, not just the second half?

[George Rs]

3 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

 

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

It’s a squad game at the end of the day, some will start some won’t. 
 

But to your point about the midfield, if we continue to play the same formation I’d assume we might be looking at:

             TGH       Knight

Winger       Twine      Winger 

 

Depending on his performance during the loan spell and if we can get him or not in the summer, it would be Twine/which ever specialised AM we end up signing. 
 

I think Williams has been class lately and will probably be at least offered an extension, unless someone smashed the nest egg wide open. But into next season I think he might end up starting on the bench bar injuries. 
 

I can see TGH moving into the Matty James role, composed player with a good passing range so will suit him well. He also has a level of agility James lacks these days. 
 

Knight would be the ‘roamer’ of the two, his yard coverage and pace in a DM role hopefully would resemble a kante type position/role. 
 

And then twine in behind Tommy/nahki, always available for the pass and hopefully always has the ability to look to go forward first, whether that’s slipping in a winger behind their back 4 or directly into Tommy. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yes, believe we wanted an option to buy, but Burnley wanted far too much.

I think Burnley realise they have a pretty valuable asset at Championship level, and so we're never going to let him go "on the cheap" at a loss on the £4m they paid for him. 

After missing out on Azaz I think we felt we had to move on Twine, even if it wasn't our preferred type of deal. 

Otherwise we'd have been down to no's 3, 4....etc on the shopping list and my understanding is they were players that weren't proven at this level. 

Yep, we stuck to our guns too.  Sometimes that means you don’t get what you want, that’s football.  I’d rather we don’t pay over the odds.

FWIW like @Harry I think Twine was LM / Recruitment team’s first choice, reverted to Azaz, then when back in for Twine.

51 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The way I see it is they know they've messed up. 0 goals in 3 games shows that. The football has become dull and tedious to watch despite us now being well coached. So they've had to throw money at a short term signing to try and make the football more palatable because the natives are getting restless. We've thrown all pur strategies out of the window in order to try and cover up their mistakes. 

Twine is a good player and I'm delighted we have him here. Just not pleased with the short term thinking of the club after all we have been through. I don't think this loan deal gets done under Gould for example. 

It makes absolutely zero sense to sign a player on loan (and paying a likely fee) to finish 13th instead of 14th for example. 

The fact that he’s only here on loan and we didn’t get an option to buy, shows they AREN’T throwing money at it.  We thought they might, but they haven’t, have they?

Don't forget they are spinning plates.  This might open up other options this window or summer.

There is of course some downsides, the better he plays the more Burnley want in the summer.

But I imagine this is a sensibly structure loan deal, for a player who ought to make us better.

What we have to do now (imho) is see how it plays out.  We can all put hypothetical scenarios in place, like your “14th to 13th is a waste” (I’d agree), like my “if he plays well he’ll cost more”, but they are siloed, there are several dynamics to this loan deal.

38 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I gave up reading the thread on page 36 

but he looks like a nice chap. Looking forward to seeing him play. 
Have to say I love @Curr Avon jokes  all two that I read anyway 

Did you start from pg1 when it got moved to the main forum?

[ExiledAjax]

6 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Knight would be the ‘roamer’ of the two, his yard coverage and pace in a DM role hopefully would resemble a kante type position/role. 

I'd been thinking that signing Twine may mean we see Knight drop deeper again. Knight's played pretty well further forward but I don't think he's a natural there. It will be interesting to see how the midfield and attacking forwards get rotated and used now, as we suddenly have a few options.

On the lack of an option to buy...there is still an option to buy. What there isn't is a pre-agreed Option that we have control over. There is still every possibility that he joins us permanently in the summer if that deal works for all parties.

Edited January 16 by ExiledAjax

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

I think what you’re asking for is someone like Tins to come out - maybe at the end of the window - and give a transfer window debrief.

[Jerseybean]

26 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Just a side note, with Everton and Nottingham Forest potentially facing points deductions for breaking FFP regulations it makes Burnley’s survival chances look a lot better.

If they do end up staying in the prem I’d assume our chances of signing Twine would be much better, if we want to in the summer that is. 

Yes thought the same thing 

[Numero Uno]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think what you’re asking for is someone like Tins to come out - maybe at the end of the window - and give a transfer window debrief.

That is his job imo. End of the window would work best so everything can be explained in one hit.

[BCFCGav]

44 minutes ago, Bo Andersons dietician said:

I don’t get the negativity. 
First choice was Azaz. He chose Boro. 
If our next options weren’t available / were too expensive in this window then what do we want the club to do? Just persist with zero creativity until the end of the season?

Burnley have no reason to do us a favour with low buy option. 

If this move means we are more creative, score more goals, push us a few places up the league and generally make going to Ashton Gate more fun for the rest of the season then I’m all for it. 

This move will mean we are more creative, score more goals and will push us a few places up the league. It also will mean we’ve less money in the summer to actually try to build a promotion squad. I think that’s the crux of the debate, short-term thinkers Vs long-term thinkers. 

[exAtyeoMax]

18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Did you start from pg1 when it got moved to the main forum?

I'd read it sporadically since it originally began so started last night from my red line, wherever that was, skipped a few in-between. Gave up with the bickering after a couple of pages.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

This move will mean we are more creative, score more goals and will push us a few places up the league. It also will mean we’ve less money in the summer to actually try to build a promotion squad. I think that’s the crux of the debate, short-term thinkers Vs long-term thinkers. 

FWIW we’d have exactly the same money this summer had we signed him on loan with an option to buy.  But I guess you are saying “had we not loaned him at all”.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I'd read it sporadically since it originally began so started last night from my red line, wherever that was, skipped a few in-between. Gave up with the bickering after a couple of pages.

"Burden of Proof" being introduced into the conversation was the highlight for me..........

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Davefevs said:

FWIW we’d have exactly the same money this summer had we signed him on loan with an option to buy.  But I guess you are saying “had we not loaned him at all”.

The other issue I have is (presumably) there is no guarantee that any loan fee we have paid Burnley this season will be credited from the final transfer fee as it was in the TGH situation. So we could be paying a loan fee of £500K (total guess) PLUS the £2.8m we were rumoured to have bid recently and which could also rise significantly if Burnley feel like it. They could say "didn't he do well, that's £5m please" (I appreciate they don't employ Bruce Forsyth at Board Level but you get my drift).

I'm all for the lad coming in, showing us what he can do and hopefully the team play better football as a result but if we end up sending him back with no chance of signing and it hinders us in the medium term I will be puzzled why we did this.

[lenred]

49 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

Hallelujah.  Great post.  Put far more eloquently and succinctly than I was trying to do last night!! 

[CyderInACan]

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

They could say "didn't he do well, that's £5m please"

Only if by some bizarre reason that the ghost of Bruce Forsyth has suddenly become their manager. . . 

Edited January 16 by CyderInACan

[Supersonic Robin]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

What about the joy in seeing him play? That's like saying you couldn't enjoy Alex Scott playing knowing he was likely to be gone in the summer. 

If (and I am not giving it up personally) we are not going to make the play offs, then some exciting football will be a way of keeping bums on seats.

The distinction is that Alex Scott was our own player, so when he left in summer we received £25m to improve.

[BrizzleRed]

48 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

Cracking post and exactly as I see it

Really disappointed there seems to be no option to buy on this loan, but still looking forward to seeing what we can do with some much needed creativity at long last.

[italian dave]

49 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

All very reasonable questions. All very reasonable concerns, challenges.

But........over-thinking it?? 

Six months is a very long time in football. So many if's and but's along the way.

It doesn't feel to me like it's some kind of massive departure from our direction of travel/strategy. 

I'm just looking forward to seeing a good player, who'll give us something different, and - even if we don't make 6th (I don't think we will) - may contribute to us ending the season with more confidence about next. And let's see where we, Burnley, Twine, Williams and everyone else is then.

[lenred]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

All very reasonable questions. All very reasonable concerns, challenges.

But........over-thinking it?? 

Six months is a very long time in football. So many if's and but's along the way.

It doesn't feel to me like it's some kind of massive departure from our direction of travel/strategy. 

I'm just looking forward to seeing a good player, who'll give us something different, and - even if we don't make 6th (I don't think we will) - may contribute to us ending the season with more confidence about next. And let's see where we, Burnley, Twine, Williams and everyone else is then.

I do get the over thinking challenge and I’m really excited about watching ST play.  I guess I just really really don’t want to ever go back to the ‘boom and bust / Chuck enough crap at the wall days’ that we had to endure the fall out from for the last 3 years and all the challenges that brought.   I want to see a cohesive plan as imo that’s the only way we progress.  Repeat though, very excited to see him in the team and who knows what happens as you say in 6 months time.   

[BCFCGav]

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

FWIW we’d have exactly the same money this summer had we signed him on loan with an option to buy.  But I guess you are saying “had we not loaned him at all”.

Correct. I hope in the Summer I look an idiot when we're in the Prem or he's fallen in love with the City and signed on a perm. But I can't see either happening, so it's a deal I'd have not done.

[TonyTonyTony]

2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Really disappointed there seems to be no option to buy on this loan

Everybody is, but perhaps that wasn't on the table from Burnley. As others have said, they may consider him to be their plan B in the championship, if they get relegated. They can also negotiate a better fee if he has a stormer

So the option may have been "You can have twine until the end of the season, then we will see where we are - Yes or No (BTW others are interested) - what do you do?

Its a Yes all day long surely

[Red Skin]

57 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Leaving aside the black and white opinion club politics of the signing.

Is Twine a signing that improves the team, yes.

Is Twine a signing that develops the squad, potentially no.

That’s the thing for me now with new signings, it’s not about a shiny new thing, a few more points this season and more ‘feel good’ down the gate factor for a few games - we’ve been trying to do that for years and getting nowhere.

It’s about the strategy and the plan. I don’t quite see where he fits in that yet, with the current info we have around the deal.

Under RG and NP we didn’t have loans for the sake of it and the development of our squad benefitted from that.

If Twine is one of 2 or 3 signings this window that help us push on for 6th, brilliant I absolutely love and welcome that. However if he’s the only 1, IMO he will not be the player that makes the difference.

So, what’s the point? Suppose it depends if you think we still have a chance this season at 6th or not, personally I’m looking at next. Call me Negative Nancy. Let’s see how the rest of the window goes.

Therefore I’m asking the question - how does he fit in the team with regards to development for next season?

Drop Bell or Mehmeti? Or is it Williams or TGH? If LM’s decided Williams doesn’t get a new contract, fine. Harsh maybe but there’s a plan there.

If he plays Twine for 15 plus games (then he leaves us in the summer) having dropped TGH or Bell or Mehmeti, all players who are contracted to play next season, I’d be asking questions.

Does that make me an ungrateful Karen? Well I don’t think so. IMO I’m looking more long term because it’s going to be a long term strategy (one we seemed to be on) that will get us out this division.
 

We know we can’t buy our way out so we need that long term thinking. There’s a place for a good loan if it’s a “final piece of the jigsaw” type but not one or two Prem loans here and there to maybe finish 10th instead of 14th. 

I'm not sure I agree with your analysis, but I applaud your gender fluidity Nancy/Karen.

ST will hopefully provide us with some goals and assists and fun until the end of the season.  He will offer more than Weimann. He isn't blocking anyone in the academy because we don't have a ready made replacement coming through. (I am not sure how far away Benerous is or what the future holds for him).

Right now Burnley want too much money, so we are better waiting until the summer to get more value in the market or seeing which division Burnley are in and maybe doing a more favourable deal. 

It'll help us see how LM's philosophy and style of play measures up when he has more players that fit with it. 

[Harry]

For what it’s worth, I think there is some kind of agreement in place. 
Not necessarily a totally firm one with Burnley, but I think we’ve got some kind of agreement with Twine himself. 
He’s a local lad. There were rumours up in Burnley that he did have a bit of difficulty settling. 
I wonder if he’s happy with a return ‘back home’ to the West Country, and we have some kind of contractual agreement with him (ie salary/contract length/first refusal). 

I’m actually quite confident that, even though this is only a loan, that we do have some safeguards in place for the summer. There is no doubt for me that LM wants him permanently. 

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Everybody is, but perhaps that wasn't on the table from Burnley. As others have said, they may consider him to be their plan B in the championship, if they get relegated. They can also negotiate a better fee if he has a stormer

So the option may have been "You can have twine until the end of the season, then we will see where we are - Yes or No (BTW others are interested) - what do you do?

Its a Yes all day long surely

I think we all look forward to the day when a clear plan is obviously in place and the club are not forced to select from "awkward" choices that seem to have as much jeopardy as benefit. That is for Jon and Brian to sort out properly over the next 12 months........we must move to a clear and obvious method of operating.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

For what it’s worth, I think there is some kind of agreement in place. 
Not necessarily a totally firm one with Burnley, but I think we’ve got some kind of agreement with Twine himself. 
He’s a local lad. There were rumours up in Burnley that he did have a bit of difficulty settling. 
I wonder if he’s happy with a return ‘back home’ to the West Country, and we have some kind of contractual agreement with him (ie salary/contract length/first refusal). 

I’m actually quite confident that, even though this is only a loan, that we do have some safeguards in place for the summer. There is no doubt for me that LM wants him permanently. 

I’d probably concur. As I’ve stated earlier, I think however well or not ST does that LM will want him in the summer - he knows the player, knows the personality and would be confident of the fit. This isn’t an “audition” and I don’t think the residual 20 odd games will sway LMs thoughts.

The main issue here will clearly be Burnley, whether Twine wants to relocate or not. As we know from Wallys ridiculous musings, gentleman’s agreements aren’t worth anything so the name of the game has to be paying Burnley as little as possible. Which is why a solid but unspectacular loan spell is probably the best long term outcome overall!

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5 minutes ago, Harry said:

For what it’s worth, I think there is some kind of agreement in place. 
Not necessarily a totally firm one with Burnley, but I think we’ve got some kind of agreement with Twine himself. 
He’s a local lad. There were rumours up in Burnley that he did have a bit of difficulty settling. 
I wonder if he’s happy with a return ‘back home’ to the West Country, and we have some kind of contractual agreement with him (ie salary/contract length/first refusal). 

I’m actually quite confident that, even though this is only a loan, that we do have some safeguards in place for the summer. There is no doubt for me that LM wants him permanently. 

I tend to agree, if we were poles apart why would Burnley have recalled him from Hull?