red ponty Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 I personally had a major issue with a steward on Saturday. I have contacted qpr and asked them to check CCTV cameras and the incident. I've also sent a complaint to the metropolitan police. Can any of you supporters Tell me Is it normal practice now for stewards to demand your wallet? And then to rifle through it. Because i've never seen that in attending football in this country and abroad for over fifty five years. And when with a fellow city fan witness, we went to a Metropolitan Police officer. His view was if I didn't like it. Don't go in, but after spending 100 pounds on a match ticket and train ticket. That wasn't an option. I have been to this ground many times but we'll never go again. Did anyone else have this experience with the stewards? Could they please let me know so I can inform queens park rangers, Reference my complaint.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Get in touch with @JerrySLO Dave Storr and maybe FSA Faircop and or Amanda Jacks potentially if she is still relevant as relevant points of contact, you may know if it is applicable already of course hut believe we had some issues at Cardiff away with police and or stewarding a fortnight ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wild Bunch Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, red ponty said: I personally had a major issue with a steward on Saturday. I have contacted qpr and asked them to check CCTV cameras and the incident. I've also sent a complaint to the metropolitan police. Can any of you supporters Tell me Is it normal practice now for stewards to demand your wallet? And then to rifle through it. Because i've never seen that in attending football in this country and abroad for over fifty five years. And when with a fellow city fan witness, we went to a Metropolitan Police officer. His view was if I didn't like it. Don't go in, but after spending 100 pounds on a match ticket and train ticket. That wasn't an option. I have been to this ground many times but we'll never go again. Did anyone else have this experience with the stewards? Could they please let me know so I can inform queens park rangers, Reference my complaint.. I had my wallet checked also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Wallet checking is normal 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 I had a similar experience a few seasons ago when we were escorted the ground by the met only to arrive on the wrong side ! It was an all ticket match yet everyone was checked before allowing us to the right side of the ground ! The stewards searched all of us before allowing us to proceed ! We also missed the first 15 minutes of the match. A total shambles therefore I vowed never to attend a match at Loftus Road again which is a shame as I live very close to London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Wallet checking is normal At Loftus Road or in general at games? I haven't been away for a while but it sounds..different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: At Loftus Road or in general at games? I haven't been away for a while but it sounds..different. Generally, easy/obvious place to hide your drugs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Generally, easy/obvious place to hide your drugs. Dont recall it at varied away grounds but again perhaps it has changed..am out of touch a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTIDhc Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, red ponty said: I personally had a major issue with a steward on Saturday. I have contacted qpr and asked them to check CCTV cameras and the incident. I've also sent a complaint to the metropolitan police. Can any of you supporters Tell me Is it normal practice now for stewards to demand your wallet? And then to rifle through it. Because i've never seen that in attending football in this country and abroad for over fifty five years. And when with a fellow city fan witness, we went to a Metropolitan Police officer. His view was if I didn't like it. Don't go in, but after spending 100 pounds on a match ticket and train ticket. That wasn't an option. I have been to this ground many times but we'll never go again. Did anyone else have this experience with the stewards? Could they please let me know so I can inform queens park rangers, Reference my complaint.. Hi mate I had the exact same from I expect the same steward, with some very unfair & unsubstantiated allegation made by him as well. I was extremely angry with this on the day and was considering a complaint so am glad someone is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendrickDNB Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Had wallet checked a few times at football would never personally be offended or shocked by it, particularly given how aggressive bagged up people at football can be. But then again I work in club industry and having your wallet checked is totally normally and expected every time I go out so maybe that’s why it doesn’t bother me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I’m going to hazard a guess this was at the entrance to Z2 in the lower tier? It started about 10mins before half time and carried on well into the second half with lots of fans being targeted and then all responding the same angry way. There was one particular steward there who IMO caused it all, resulting in the unnecessary aggro. It could have been nipped in the bud immediately but the steward kept on and it got to the point where actual fighting broke out between fans and the stewards. The supervisor was called, and in fairness he was reasonable, but the damage had already been done and things were well out of control. Not the greatest of experience for my 10yr old boy on his first away game. It all unfolded within touching distance of us, and when we tried to go for a quick wee at half-time I had to pull him away safely from the spilling over tussles and verbals. Lots of witnesses who I’d say would happily back your account, if it was the same steward/area. Edit: just reread your post and it would seem your incident was outside the ground coming in. So likely not the same steward. Edited November 13, 2023 by kmpowell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 44 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Generally, easy/obvious place to hide your drugs. In the very unlikely event that i was to take drugs into a football ground the drugs would be inside my pants and not my wallet !!! 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 My mrs checks my wallet every day , 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 One advantage of getting old, no one ever bothers checking you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I wonder if they were doorstaff by night, Agency Stewards by day. Or more accurately, if the steward in question was someone more used to handling nightclubs..some Can do both with ease, but some well it's quite a different skillset and crowd dynamic. Door staff as stewards can lead to difficulty, can lead to a kickback from fans but sounds like not here. Remember 2017 when the kid shoved off the chair in the Singing Section v Stoke? May well have been an Agency Door Steward and sometimes they don't mix well with football crowds. Edited November 13, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTIDhc Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, kmpowell said: I’m going to hazard a guess this was at the entrance to Z2 in the lower tier? It started about 10mins before half time and carried on well into the second half with lots of fans being targeted and then all responding the same angry way. There was one particular steward there who IMO caused it all, resulting in the unnecessary aggro. It could have been nipped in the bud immediately but the steward kept on and it got to the point where actual fighting broke out between fans and the stewards. The supervisor was called, and in fairness he was reasonable, but the damage had already been done and things were well out of control. Not the greatest of experience for my 10yr old boy on his first away game. It all unfolded within touching distance of us, and when we tried to go for a quick wee at half-time I had to pull him away safely from the spilling over tussles and verbals. Lots of witnesses who I’d say would happily back your account, if it was the same steward/area. Edit: just reread your post and it would seem your incident was outside the ground coming in. So likely not the same steward. The steward I had an issue with was the same one who I saw involved in an altercation at half time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Wallet checking is normal Never, ever had my wallet checked going into a nightclub let alone the football, where does it happen to you? edit to add: I’m not calling you a liar! Just curious that I might be living in a bubble Edited November 13, 2023 by luke_bristol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 I have never even heard of checking wallets before, not in all the years I've been going. I didn't think the Police had the right to search you without due cause let alone a steward. A pat down is one thing, almost expect it, but to go through someones wallet ? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I didn't think the Police had the right to search you without due cause let alone a steward. It's private property. Acting on behalf of the owners, if they want to search you to let you in they can, you have the option of refusing the search and in that case they are perfectly within their rights to stop you entering their property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Hxj said: It's private property. Acting on behalf of the owners, if they want to search you to let you in they can, you have the option of refusing the search and in that case they are perfectly within their rights to stop you entering their property. Yep, totally get that and was going to put that in my post. But going through someones wallet is another thing all together. So many things that could be done or accused of, very dodgy ground IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, red ponty said: I personally had a major issue with a steward on Saturday. I have contacted qpr and asked them to check CCTV cameras and the incident. I've also sent a complaint to the metropolitan police. Can any of you supporters Tell me Is it normal practice now for stewards to demand your wallet? And then to rifle through it. Because i've never seen that in attending football in this country and abroad for over fifty five years. And when with a fellow city fan witness, we went to a Metropolitan Police officer. His view was if I didn't like it. Don't go in, but after spending 100 pounds on a match ticket and train ticket. That wasn't an option. I have been to this ground many times but we'll never go again. Did anyone else have this experience with the stewards? Could they please let me know so I can inform queens park rangers, Reference my complaint.. The ground regulations are available for you to view before you purchase your ticket. The regulations make it clear that searches can happen. When you enter the ground you are effectively giving permission to be searched. If you've not got anything to hide in your wallet then what's the issue? Whilst it may be slightly annoying, it is possible for someone to conceal either drugs or a weapon in a wallet. Hence why these regulations are in place. Edited November 13, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I have never even heard of checking wallets before, not in all the years I've been going. I didn't think the Police had the right to search you without due cause let alone a steward. A pat down is one thing, almost expect it, but to go through someones wallet ? It may seem OTT, but then what if a weapon was found hiding in a wallet, would you consider it to be OTT then? Maybe there was some police intelligence that people were planning on bringing in drugs/weapons hidden in wallets. You just don't know. But these things aren't done to annoy us. They are done to protect us. All it takes is a couple of seconds. Just smile and be polite and then continue to enjoy your day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, luke_bristol said: Never, ever had my wallet checked going into a nightclub let alone the football, where does it happen to you? edit to add: I’m not calling you a liar! Just curious that I might be living in a bubble Never, ever had my wallet checked, football or otherwise, didn't know it was a thing, I must have gotten old Edited November 13, 2023 by southside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, redkev said: My mrs checks my wallet every day , My wifes purse with her debit card in got nicked last week. I never reported it though as the thief is spending less than she did. 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: The ground regulations are available for you to view before you purchase your ticket. The regulations make it clear that searches can happen. When you enter the ground you are effectively giving permission to be searched. If you've not got anything to hide in your wallet then what's the issue? Whilst it may be slightly annoying, it is possible for someone to conceal either drugs or a weapon in a wallet. Hence why these regulations are in place. Yep your right............my 6 foot by 4 foot wallet is where i always hide my weapons 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, maxjak said: Yep your right............my 6 foot by 4 foot wallet is where i always hide my weapons Pocket knife, vial of acid etc etc easily can be concealed in a wallet. You have to remember it's London where a threat of a terrorist attack is significantly higher than it is in Bristol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fammyfan Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 I understand the concern, wallet contains valuables and personal details. Also understand the importance to do searches for safety. Was it just the wallet being searched? as surely any weapon that can fit into the wallet can also be put into a shoe etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, 1960maaan said: A pat down is one thing, almost expect it At my age I quite look forwards to it... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 14, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 hours ago, red ponty said: I personally had a major issue with a steward on Saturday. I have contacted qpr and asked them to check CCTV cameras and the incident. I've also sent a complaint to the metropolitan police. Can any of you supporters Tell me Is it normal practice now for stewards to demand your wallet? And then to rifle through it. Because i've never seen that in attending football in this country and abroad for over fifty five years. And when with a fellow city fan witness, we went to a Metropolitan Police officer. His view was if I didn't like it. Don't go in, but after spending 100 pounds on a match ticket and train ticket. That wasn't an option. I have been to this ground many times but we'll never go again. Did anyone else have this experience with the stewards? Could they please let me know so I can inform queens park rangers, Reference my complaint.. Sadly this is one of those times in life that are very frustrating and annoying but as below the stewards are well within their rights to do the check. I'd say it says more about the stewards at Loftus Road more than anything. I'd be personally surprised if you would be told anything different should you get any responses It'll no doubt leave a very bitter taste in your mouth, but my advice would be to move on 7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: The ground regulations are available for you to view before you purchase your ticket. The regulations make it clear that searches can happen. When you enter the ground you are effectively giving permission to be searched. If you've not got anything to hide in your wallet then what's the issue? Whilst it may be slightly annoying, it is possible for someone to conceal either drugs or a weapon in a wallet. Hence why these regulations are in place. As annoying as it was I hate to say that there's nothing they did wrong 10 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Get in touch with @JerrySLO Dave Storr and maybe FSA Faircop and or Amanda Jacks potentially if she is still relevant as relevant points of contact, you may know if it is applicable already of course hut believe we had some issues at Cardiff away with police and or stewarding a fortnight ago. Hate to say it's nothing Jerry or Dave have any jurisdiction on, they can only assist at Ashton Gate. Amanda Jacks was the "FSA Faircop", and is no longer in that role and am not aware that anyone replaced her 10 hours ago, hertsexile said: I had a similar experience a few seasons ago when we were escorted the ground by the met only to arrive on the wrong side ! It was an all ticket match yet everyone was checked before allowing us to the right side of the ground ! The stewards searched all of us before allowing us to proceed ! We also missed the first 15 minutes of the match. A total shambles therefore I vowed never to attend a match at Loftus Road again which is a shame as I live very close to London. I was caught up with this same incident and ironically exactly one of the reasons why I will never visit that dump again The other was how we were kettled in bars in Shepherd's Bush, marched to the ground, deliberately making us late and then witnessed numerous assaults on City Supporters by the MET, all of which went unpunished.... Sadly QPR stewards and MET police always seem on edge compared to other grounds in London (though Fulham stewards are not far behind) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 I've always found the QPR stewards quite chilled, but realise this is just my experience. My bag was searched by a female steward, I remember this as she was chatty and friendly, saying she liked my coat. I was not given a pat down and she only glanced at my bag, certainly didn't go though it. Searches do vary very much from ground to ground, Cardiff,Swansea, Leeds and Leicester have been quite through, eg full body pat down and contents taken out of my bag, but I have never had my purse opened and it's certainly bigger than a man's wallet. Just about all grounds they search bags, I just have a small bag, probably only 20% or less I've been patted down or asked what was in my pockets. Before anyone says it, I do realise being female most probably gives me a very different experience. I'm certainly not a youngster either. I find most stewards are ok, and some of them even friendly if you are pleasant enough and interact with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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