Gary O’Neil - VAR

[GrahamC]

19 hours ago, Bris Red said:

All the game ever needed was goal line technology IMHO, var has been a complete mess unsurprisingly.

100%.

One isolated incident aside (Aston Villa, I think) where it wasn’t working, this has been flawless.

Remember Wells’ goal at Blackburn, this innovation has been a success.

VAR is far too open to interpretation, we quickly moved away from clear & obvious error into complete guesswork.

Also hard to avoid the thought that it is being inconsistently applied. Liverpool created a media frenzy over an “error” in a game of theirs but the reality is they, Man City, Chelsea, Man U benefit far more often from it, sides like Wolves, Bournemouth, Burnley & Luton have had loads more contentious decisions go against them.

[Mattredrobin]

39 minutes ago, Markthehorn said:

Like handball just being handball or offside is offside ?

Not did it hit that part of his body or were they deliberately going for the ball etc which is all subjective.

It mainly comes down to common sense doesn't it really Look at the Wolves one against Man Utd when Onana clattered the wolves player that was a stonewall penalty. I've not seen the Newcastle pen from last night only seen a still picture of it. so can't comment on that to much but there have been handballs where the player cannot get his hand out of the way, so common sense should tell a qualified ref wether it be on the pitch or sat in a room that it shouldn't be given, but the rule changes mean they have to consider everything. 

The offside thing is a tough one offside is offside of course but if VAR is used for clear and obvious errors how the hell is an on field linesman meant to know if a players toe nail is offside and if you need lines to decide that then its clearly not an error. I don't know what the answers are TBH. But the reasons i go to City and get passionate about it is for us to get to the top league and play some of the best teams in the world and ok people might say we wouldn't beat them anyway but, VAR is punishing teams unfairly and I would hate that to be city.

[MarcusX]

 

On 28/11/2023 at 07:23, East End Old Boy said:

Stuart Attwell was the VAR “official” and took so long reviewing surely proves nothing was clear and obvious. Also surprised there wasn’t an intervention for a red!

I think this is where it’s frustrating, if you need 5 minutes to review it then it probably wasn’t a clear and obvious error.

Been lots of examples lately of weird decisions though - for and against England last week (Kane “dive”, Maguire foul was a pen and the handball wasn’t IMO)

I don’t think it’s working in its current state and it’s an awful experience for a fan in the ground

[MarcusX]

23 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Wolves deserve at least a point from yesterdays game. Nobody can disagree with that. So just give them a point. It lessens the mistake. 

You can’t give results based on perceived deservedness 

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

100%.

One isolated incident aside (Aston Villa, I think) where it wasn’t working, this has been flawless.

Remember Wells’ goal at Blackburn, this innovation has been a success.

VAR is far too open to interpretation, we quickly moved away from clear & obvious error into complete guesswork.

Also hard to avoid the thought that it is being inconsistently applied. Liverpool created a media frenzy over an “error” in a game of theirs but the reality is they, Man City, Chelsea, Man U benefit far more often from it, sides like Wolves, Bournemouth, Burnley & Luton have had loads more contentious decisions go against them.

Outside of those.

Brighton last year, you can add to that- some of the calls against them were amazingly bad.

On the flipside, Aston Villa seem to be very much beneficiaries of it this sesson.

[And Its Smith]

42 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

You can’t give results based on perceived deservedness 

And giving results on perceived penalties is fine?  Guess the apology will have to do 

Edited November 29, 2023 by And Its Smith

[Mr Popodopolous]

The Newcastle VAR penalty official has been stood down.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Also potentially of interest.

[W-S-M Seagull]

19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The Newcastle VAR penalty official has been stood down.

Livramento's arm position wasn't extended away from his body and was a consequence of his body movement, so shouldn't have been a handball offence.

Hmmm I disagree. His arm was by his side as he was running, as the ball was kicked he lifts his arm which then blocks the pass. 

It's that movement of the arm which imo is why the ref has given it. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67592553

Not clear.and obvious....... Hmmmmm

[kit]

A lot of mental gymnastics going on there. It simply wasn't a foul and shouldn't have been given as a penalty. It only took one replay to see that.

Can't get much more clear and obvious than that.

[W-S-M Seagull]

19 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67592553

Not clear.and obvious....... Hmmmmm

How does this make any sense? If it should have been a red instead of a yellow, then surely it's a clear and obvious error? 

[REDOXO]

On 29/11/2023 at 07:42, GrahamC said:

100%.

One isolated incident aside (Aston Villa, I think) where it wasn’t working, this has been flawless.

Remember Wells’ goal at Blackburn, this innovation has been a success.

VAR is far too open to interpretation, we quickly moved away from clear & obvious error into complete guesswork.

Also hard to avoid the thought that it is being inconsistently applied. Liverpool created a media frenzy over an “error” in a game of theirs but the reality is they, Man City, Chelsea, Man U benefit far more often from it, sides like Wolves, Bournemouth, Burnley & Luton have had loads more contentious decisions go against them.

That does seem to the case! Was it always thus. Yes I think so. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

16 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

How does this make any sense? If it should have been a red instead of a yellow, then surely it's a clear and obvious error? 

I don't get it either, this clear and obvious thing is cobblers.  

[And Its Smith]

VAR is cobblers and was always going to be. As will sin bins.