Harry Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Isn't that what we have now done? Reverted to type. Despite us now being "well coached" Mmmm… your post smacks of ‘agenda’ We’re talking about Rooney. Plenty of other places for you to talk about NP vs LM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 38 minutes ago, Harry said: Mmmm… your post smacks of ‘agenda’ We’re talking about Rooney. Plenty of other places for you to talk about NP vs LM. Just a sarcastic response to your previous "well coached now" digs at NP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/02/the-wayne-rooney-paradox-he-should-avoid-any-club-that-wants-him Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Also could apply to our own previous “Marmite” manager, whose latest post was similarly short and unsuccessful. And at least when JL etc sacked Pearson, we didn’t end up with either Lampard or Gerrard. If anything, the current route to improvement appears to be to appoint a Basque coach (Emeri, Arteta, Iraola, Xabi Alonso). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Just a sarcastic response to your previous "well coached now" digs at NP. But I didn’t have any digs at NP I stated in the Watford match day thread how well coached I thought the team looked that day and I gave a detailed explanation as to why. It wasn’t a dig at NP it was merely an observation of the way we pressed the opposition on the day, which I thought was very different to anything we’ve seen under any previous manager (not just NP) and was something which would have taken a lot of coaching into the players to make sure they did the right things at the right times. See page 29 …… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 So Wazza, Frank, and Stevie G, all managerial failures from that 'golden generation'. Who's next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, Dr Balls said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/02/the-wayne-rooney-paradox-he-should-avoid-any-club-that-wants-him Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Also could apply to our own previous “Marmite” manager, whose latest post was similarly short and unsuccessful. And at least when JL etc sacked Pearson, we didn’t end up with either Lampard or Gerrard. If anything, the current route to improvement appears to be to appoint a Basque coach (Emeri, Arteta, Iraola, Xabi Alonso). Barney Ronay makes a very good case with his usual humour. As he says, the enablers of Wayne and their kind are the real problem. This bit made me laugh though: Only last week Steven Gerrard could be heard urging the owners of Al-Ettifaq to finally get their wallets out or risk failing to maximise his own managerial brilliance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedred31 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) Thought Sky’s analysis hit a new low on Monday with Merson’s explanation for Rooney’s failure, viz that ‘they’re not his players’. Edited January 3 by Bedred31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellist Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, Bedred31 said: Thought Sky’s analysis hit a new low on Monday with Merson’s explanation for Rooney’s failure, viz that ‘they’re not his players’. Merson speaks utter garbage when it comes to anything outside the premier league. His comment on us sacking Pearson was that it was understandable given the money we'd spent over the summer. Doesn't seem to be any accountability for saying things that are accurate or reflect reality in any way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, cellist said: Merson speaks utter garbage when it comes to anything outside the premier league. His comment on us sacking Pearson was that it was understandable given the money we'd spent over the summer. Doesn't seem to be any accountability for saying things that are accurate or reflect reality in any way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Compensation for Rooney yet to be sorted apparently...is this the norm? How does that work with standard payoffs, he signed a 3.5 year deal in an Autumn. I know that full contract doesn't always equal full payoff but this could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 45 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Compensation for Rooney yet to be sorted apparently...is this the norm? How does that work with standard payoffs, he signed a 3.5 year deal in an Autumn. I know that full contract doesn't always equal full payoff but this could be interesting. At its simplest, they can pay him off as per his termination clause, continue to pay him (for whatever period is stipulated, e.g. until he gets another club: I don’t think there is a “norm” per se. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Bedred31 said: Thought Sky’s analysis hit a new low on Monday with Merson’s explanation for Rooney’s failure, viz that ‘they’re not his players’. Isn’t from overseas or someone they haven’t heard of so naturally the media back him like a mate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Birmingham keen on Cooper as per reports. Naturally he wants money to spend.. doesn't he always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Mowbray the favourite now by the looks of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: Mowbray the favourite now by the looks of it A strangely logical choice. Maybe they have realised sacking a successful manager & appointing a “name” really doesn’t work. Edited January 5 by GrahamC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: Mowbray the favourite now by the looks of it Love Mowbray 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Love Mowbray I'd have had him here in a heartbeat if he was available whilst we had a vacancy. Very much fits the style we were briefed about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Love Mowbray 46 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I'd have had him here in a heartbeat if he was available whilst we had a vacancy. Very much fits the style we were briefed about. I’d have been happy with him a few times Has done a ‘decent’ job at virtually every club. ( Not sure I’d describe his teams as front foot , WSM but they play good football ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 25 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I’d have been happy with him a few times Has done a ‘decent’ job at virtually every club. ( Not sure I’d describe his teams as front foot , WSM but they play good football ) I'm not a Tony Mowbray expert but from what I saw his Sunderland team had a controlled press and liked to get up the pitch quickly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I'm not a Tony Mowbray expert but from what I saw his Sunderland team had a controlled press and liked to get up the pitch quickly? Tbf , I’m no expert either , and tend to watch games these days , with less concentration , unless it’s City or a particular player I fancy watching Just a general impression with his teams over the years , decent football @Davefevs is probably the man to give us a more accurate view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 58 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Tbf , I’m no expert either , and tend to watch games these days , with less concentration , unless it’s City or a particular player I fancy watching Just a general impression with his teams over the years , decent football @Davefevs is probably the man to give us a more accurate view No, no, I think WSM is right with Sunderland. Think he’s adaptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, no, I think WSM is right with Sunderland. Think he’s adaptable. Yes , that was my overall impression over the years Pretty sure he played 5/wing backs at one time at ? Boro ? Always decent on the eye his sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) Mowbray looks a solid appointment for them. Isn't a chequebook manager either. Edited January 5 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Mowbray is deemed an "old school manager", but he really isn't. Teams play good football, and he is not scared to blood young players. Birmingham would be mental to not give him a contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Failing that they could do worse than NP if they wanted to build. A long term project there according to some. Knighthead have a 10 year Plan apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Mowbray confirmed on 2.5 yr contract Very good appointment , but a bit of a change from the star spangled Rooney idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 47 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Mowbray confirmed on 2.5 yr contract Very good appointment , but a bit of a change from the star spangled Rooney idea The only “spangle” is the ones he chews on during interviews! For those of a certain age! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: The only “spangle” is the ones he chews on during interviews! For those of a certain age! Some of those were lovely but the others were bloody horrible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: The only “spangle” is the ones he chews on during interviews! For those of a certain age! 21 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Some of those were lovely but the others were bloody horrible! I used to love the Old English and the green ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, PHILINFRANCE said: I used to love the Old English and the green ones. They were the two I hated the most! Loved the Fizzy Cola and Super Fruit ones though. Mind you, the soft ones were just an abomination! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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