Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Steve Watts said: But you're not "treated in that way" by the state because of a desire to erode civil liberties....you're "treated in that way" because of the idiots who do do something illegal. I would respectfully suggest your annoyance is aimed in the wrong direction. If it wasn't for coked up, tanked up bell-ends then the police and dogs wouldn't be seen as required. To me, that's the biggest problem in society. No accountability levelled at our peers (i.e. general citizens) and instead being aimed at the public services. * the reason for the inverted commas is that I don't actually understand in what way you feel you were treated...you've admitted that at no time did anyone ask to search you, so it seems the treatment was in having a dog sniff around near where you were? Sorry but id rather run the risk of being with what you describe as "tanked up bellends" than being made to feel like a criminal for no reason. If that's the trade off then I 100% stand on the side of not having police treat good citizens like that. No accountability for our peers? what are you talking about? Ever heard of the criminal justice system? There are other ways to catch and treat people breaking the law without making the vast majority feel uncomfortable. The playbook here is always the same. People like you defend it as harmless. But we all know that if I had put up any kind of objection (which i would have been within my rights to do) to the dogs being put around me I would have been jumped on by 10 old bill and searched, maybe even arrested. Its only harmless until the slightest provocation or innocent objection and they treat us like animals, wise up! Edited February 8 by Glasgow Red 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Shame they don't do it at the gate, would make the toilet cubicles a lot less busy at half time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 45 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: Sorry but id rather run the risk of being with what you describe as "tanked up bellends" than being made to feel like a criminal for no reason. If that's the trade off then I 100% stand on the side of not having police treat good citizens like that. No accountability for our peers? what are you talking about? Ever heard of the criminal justice system? There are other ways to catch and treat people breaking the law without making the vast majority feel uncomfortable. The playbook here is always the same. People like you defend it as harmless. But we all know that if I had put up any kind of objection (which i would have been within my rights to do) to the dogs being put around me I would have been jumped on by 10 old bill and searched, maybe even arrested. Its only harmless until the slightest provocation or innocent objection and they treat us like animals, wise up! Well from the majority of views on here it would appear that most of us are happier to have a dog sniffing the air than be around people under the excesses of alcohol and drugs at football. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion but it seems most of us don’t share it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 “A dog walked round my feet, I feel so violated!” Just as a fair warning mate, never ever go to Crufts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 37 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Shame they don't do it at the gate, would make the toilet cubicles a lot less busy at half time I'm guessing we have the same dogs at the away end entrance though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: “A dog walked round my feet, I feel so violated!” Just as a fair warning mate, never ever go to Crufts. I know this is a joke but the obvious difference is that would be out of choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Just now, KnowleUtd City said: I'm guessing we have the same dogs at the away end entrance though? Pretty rare that police will deploy drugs dogs at football but I’ve seen private security dogs doing it at a few places. Not sure I’ve seen it at Ashton Gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 13 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: Well from the majority of views on here it would appear that most of us are happier to have a dog sniffing the air than be around people under the excesses of alcohol and drugs at football. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion but it seems most of us don’t share it. "I know nothing im just sat here looking at pretty colours" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: I know this is a joke but the obvious difference is that would be out of choice Well you chose to go to the match and these are things that can happen in todays society 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Back of the Dolman said: Pretty rare that police will deploy drugs dogs at football but I’ve seen private security dogs doing it at a few places. Not sure I’ve seen it at Ashton Gate I can't remember the last away game I went to where there weren't loads of sniffer dogs at the entrance (West Ham, Leeds, Leicester, Forest, QPR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Just now, Glasgow Red said: "I know nothing im just sat here looking at pretty colours" Not sure if you’re trying to be funny or making out that I’m a bootlicker as you called someone earlier. but I can assure you I’ve seen a lot more pain and distress caused by people intoxicated or off their heads on drugs than I’ve ever seen caused by a dog detecting drugs or pyros. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KnowleUtd City said: I can't remember the last away game I went to where there weren't loads of sniffer dogs at the entrance (West Ham, Leeds, Leicester, Forest, QPR) Definitely saw it at West Ham but that wasn’t Police it was a private company Edited February 8 by Back of the Dolman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Old father Isewater told me before a public speaking engagement ‘ Son, imagine the audience naked and you won’t be intimidated ‘ I suppose it could be said that posting on a public forum is a bit like making a speech. So..........taking your advice, I have to say, it's not looking good from where I'm sat. Without naming names, there are a few excess pounds since December, some rashes that won't go away following the last trip to Birmingham and some tattoos that would benefit from some laser treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 12 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: I know this is a joke but the obvious difference is that would be out of choice It was a joke but my point is that I’m not sure how a dog walking around your feet violated your right to privacy in any way. Simple fact is, it didn’t. The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 No way should anyone in a crowd in England have to worry about some idiot coked up and dangerous at a football match or anywhere else - if it takes dogs to mitigate the risk let’s have more of them! every public space should be a safe space! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 40 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It was a joke but my point is that I’m not sure how a dog walking around your feet violated your right to privacy in any way. Simple fact is, it didn’t. The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” To be fair Fordy, Police regard football fans as a soft target. I dont expect you to agree with that of course. No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 46 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” Fordy you are kind of proving my point. This is how coppers can think, you are now suggesting I was doing something wrong! Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Natchfever said: No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. Yes! And this is where most of the arguments in this thread fall down. End of the day, the scrutiny and surveillance football fans come under is just not fair or subjective compared to other events where plenty of drugs and anti social behaviour happen. I dont even think many would disagree with that. Its obvious. Edited February 8 by Glasgow Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Back of the Dolman said: Well you chose to go to the match and these are things that can happen in todays society Sad to hear a fellow fan thinks I should stay away from going to see my team because drunk on power cops want to shove their dogs in my face. Not really a nice way to say it but I do think you have bootlicking tendancies here, sorry mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: Sad to hear a fellow fan thinks I should stay away from going to see my team because drunk on power cops want to shove their dogs in my face. Not really a nice way to say it but I do think you have bootlicking tendancies here, sorry mate. Don’t think I said you should stay away. i said that you made the choice to go which you did, I presume you weren’t forced to go ? And I said that this is something we know can happen. what part of what I said there is wrong and at what point did I say you should stay away ? You say they were power hungry cops shoving dogs in your face but that’s your opinion, nobody else seems to be complaining about the way they were treated last night. You know nothing about me or my tendencies and as you’re not my mate I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use that term towards me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 26 minutes ago, Natchfever said: To be fair Fordy, Police regard football fans as a soft target. I dont expect you to agree with that of course. No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. Is there anything that attracts drugs and violence like football does? Theres an incredible amount of coke at football matches - and I know that as a supporter rather than a copper. And the people most up for a fight? Coked (and beefed) up footy fans. 24 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: Fordy you are kind of proving my point. This is how coppers can think, you are now suggesting I was doing something wrong! Oh dear! I don’t believe I said that at all, I’m merely saying having a dog walk around your feet is not in any way violating your right to privacy. I just can’t understand how you could think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Just now, Fordy62 said: Is there anything that attracts drugs and violence like football does? Theres an incredible amount of coke at football matches - and I know that as a supporter rather than a copper. And the people most up for a fight? Coked (and beefed) up footy fans. I think another point to add to that is that the sorts of events they’re talking about will have security staff who are far more likely and willing to get hands on with people causing trouble at these events so they is how they are policed. that won’t happen with the stewarding at Ashton Gate and quite right to. Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: You know nothing about me or my tendencies and as you’re not my mate I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use that term towards me. Sounds like a cop or ex cop? Edited February 8 by Glasgow Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I don’t believe I said that at all, I’m merely saying having a dog walk around your feet is not in any way violating your right to privacy. I just can’t understand how you could think that. In fairness i did kind of backtrack on "privacy" when someone else pointed it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: I’m not sure what that’s meant to signify. We have different opinions and that’s fine. Best to leave it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night If stewards are manhandling people they are most probably breaking the law. Its a weird comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 8 hours ago, TV Tom said: I don't like dogs and i don't particularly want one sniffing my balls Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: If stewards are manhandling people they are most probably breaking the law. Its a weird comparison. How are they breaking the law ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: I think another point to add to that is that the sorts of events they’re talking about will have security staff who are far more likely and willing to get hands on with people causing trouble at these events so they is how they are policed. that won’t happen with the stewarding at Ashton Gate and quite right to. Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night This is valid although what I would say, is that using shall we say more robust Security Staff can pose an issue at football as you have a very different crowd dynamic or have done for many years. I remember pre Covid, in 2017 v Stoke a kid was pushed off a seat by a Security Guard type Steward ie probably Door Staff or something..crowd turned in a flash. Heavy handed tactics unless clearly justified with members of a football crowd can see it turn sharply and unpredictably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Just picking up on Fordys point, I can't think what else in the Bristol area could attract as much police interest as a football match at AG. The potential for disorder is clearly there and although most games might be trouble free, if the police do not prepare with suitable caution they could be liable in some way. Happy to hear if there are similar events I might have forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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