Davefevs Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanGaz Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 I appreciate your passion for stats here, I do love a good graph, but I'm quite glad I don't spend this much energy on City 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) Is there a stat for the number of piece of piss 10 yard passes that get passed straight into touch? That’s a metric where Manning has succeeded in getting his message across tbf…….two home games in a row, thought I was watching Toolstation football tbh. Edited March 17 by Numero Uno 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 There used to be a poster on here called Tactical Genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, TDarwall said: There used to be a poster on here called Tactical Genius. Busy being head coach now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, TDarwall said: There used to be a poster on here called Tactical Genius. I can only guess who might’ve proclaimed that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 We are going backwards at a rate of knots. Thanks for posting Dave, these stats just nail it down really. They ice the cake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanGaz Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) not sure I'm seeing some of the trends you point out tbh in those first 2 figures, to me it looks more like consistency has been lost and we are all over the place! or it could be the beers... the running net xG. is damning, though I do hate xG Edited March 17 by DolmanGaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Also & it’s a major problem is the hair island that’s developing . He needs to shave it off. Just a shit Steve McLaren 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. Wondered why you weren't watching Liverpool. Bet you don't post here for the next 45 mins !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) Inspired by your stats Dave I've come up with my own boredness stats. 0 = highly entertained 10 = watching grass grow is more fun QPR (a) 10 Boro (h) 4 Southampton (a) 6 Norwich 7.5 Huddersfield 8 Blackburn 7.5 Sunderland (h) 5 Hull 3 Watford 1 Birmingham 9 Millwall 8.5 Preston 8.5 Watford (h) 7 Coventry 4 Leeds 9 Boro (a) 2.5 Southampton 0 QPR (h) 9.5 Sheff W 9.5 Cardiff 9 Ipswich 5 Swansea 9 West Brom 9 Gives an average of 6.5 Edited March 17 by W-S-M Seagull 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. 22 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. Seriously that's good work - it proves what we think we know. It might be useful to get these stats in front of the Radio Bristol SOTC presenter and JP and Gary Owers. Maybe an A3 sized print of the box heading the Running net xG column could be super-glued to BT's windscreen so he gets the picture as well (in case Ian Gay hasn't forwarded it on yet). I mean it sums everything up nicely. He doesn't even really have to look at the numbers to understand it. Edited March 17 by Sleepy1968 sp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Seriously that's good work - it proves what we think we know. It might be useful to get these stats in front of the Radio Bristol SOTC presenter and JP and Gary Owers. Maybe an A3 sized print of the box heading the Running net xG column could be super-glued to BT's windscreen so he gets the picture as well (in case Ian Gay hasn't forwarded it on yet). I mean it sums everything up nicely. He doesn't even really have to look at the numbers to understand it. I do often wonder what Sids thoughts would be if he was on the outside looking in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I do often wonder what Sids thoughts would be if he was on the outside looking in... If he needed to rubbish a Technical Director to take the job himself he’d have a field day………. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 So…. I’ll try to summarise this, it’s all the players’ fault and the tactics are spot on. All the best. Liam x 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 apologies to Big Tone..... Condensed Version ..... The more Manning coaches the team, the worse they get. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: apologies to Big Tone..... Condensed Version ..... The more Manning coaches the team, the worse they get. On the grass? I’d prefer out to grass! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 43 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. Why start after Watford-rather arbitrary just to prove your point imo. Also no mention of injuries? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 26 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: apologies to Big Tone..... Condensed Version ..... The more Manning coaches the team, the worse they get. Another condensed version could be. We are shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 In fairness we went through terrible patches under Pearson when shots on goal were a rare treat - what’s depressing about Fevs analysis is very few sane people can see any way out when LM is pleased with the first half yesterday ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 45 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Inspired by your stats Dave I've come up with my own boredness stats. 0 = highly entertained 10 = watching grass grow is more fun QPR (a) 10 Boro (h) 4 Southampton (a) 6 Norwich 7.5 Huddersfield 8 Blackburn 7.5 Sunderland (h) 5 Hull 3 Watford 1 Birmingham 9 Millwall 8.5 Preston 8.5 Watford (h) 7 Coventry 4 Leeds 9 Boro (a) 2.5 Southampton 0 QPR (h) 9.5 Sheff W 9.5 Cardiff 9 Ipswich 5 Swansea 9 West Brom 9 Gives an average of 6.5 Sorry but Millwall H has to be a 10. Most boring game I have ever witnessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. That last graphic is so telling, didn’t realise it was THAT bad. Would love a change now to hopefully give us some momentum going into the summer for a change but can’t see it happening. Oh to be a Bristol City fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. Condensed Version We are shite 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said: In fairness we went through terrible patches under Pearson when shots on goal were a rare treat - what’s depressing about Fevs analysis is very few sane people can see any way out when LM is pleased with the first half yesterday ! Not as bad as this, we didn't tend to go on drastically bad form too save for the short prriod when we had collapsed during Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, George Rs said: That last graphic is so telling, didn’t realise it was THAT bad. Would love a change now to hopefully give us some momentum going into the summer for a change but can’t see it happening. Oh to be a Bristol City fan. 6 game rolling average is quite interesting! 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: 6 game rolling average is quite interesting! To be completely honest i don’t really understand what these represent, all i know is that red is bad and i’m seeing a lot of it 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: We are bored aren’t we? since Watford (a), the halcyon day (days???) of Manningball, we can see the decline in our attacking play. If you look at Build-up (*) attacks, Direct (**) attacks as opposed to other open play attacks from shorter possession phases or set-pieces, we are more effective when we press! Yet we don’t attempt that, preferring a block more often than not. Maybe Krause should stop looking at our opponents and look at ourselves! QPR is the only game where Manning’s approach resulted in more than 2 build-up attacks, 6 in total. And total open play xg was 0.43!!! The decline in quality of open play chances is also evident. Just three times in 14 games have we achieved a match xg of 1.00 from open play in a match. Some real lowlights in there too! Then compare to what’s happening at the other end! I don’t think any of us really need a set of numbers to confirm this, we are seeing it with our eyes. But there is no hiding from the fact we are regressing. Do we need more evidence? sorry, was bored watching Man Utd v Liverpool, although not anymore!!! +++++ * Build-up attacks - The number of open play sequences that contains 10 or more passes and either ends in a shot or has at least one touch in the box. ** Direct attacks - The number of open play sequences that starts just inside the team's own half and has at least 50% of movement towards the opposition's goal and ends in a shot or a touch in the opposition box. lines and lines and lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17 Author Report Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, George Rs said: To be completely honest i don’t really understand what these represent, all i know is that red is bad and i’m seeing a lot of it That’s the simplicity of pictures! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: Why start after Watford-rather arbitrary just to prove your point imo. Also no mention of injuries? Because it’s 14 games ago and we’ve picked up 12 points in that time. It’s not cherry picking when people point out you’ve been crap for nigh on three months or a third of a season. Many managers get fired for less. It also covers this year to date. On the other hand if you want to use 26 points from 23 games to make a point what point are you making? As for injuries didn’t the previous regime with a better record this season have MORE injuries? Edited March 17 by Numero Uno 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 44 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: Why start after Watford-rather arbitrary just to prove your point imo. Also no mention of injuries? All of mannings 23 games is on that graphic why not look at what was posted But of course you won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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