cider head Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 There is a interesting pattern forming here in that most of the people that were arrested had been in the Saddlers club where fans were watched while they were drinking hmmmmm something is a bit fishy? seems they picked out who they were going to nick from looking at those in that club room. so anyone else who was arrested were you in the Saddlers club? if so this is out of order, going in there and having 1 or 2 pints, giving walsall your money only to be picked out for a short list for police to be arrested, i think a few complaints should also go to walsall f.c and that supporters club. this could explain while those who went to the toilet and those at the ground entrance got nicked and others didn't as they already had the people ID's who they wanted from the club room and waited for them to leave the club knowing full well they had had a drink and a excuse to stop them, i did notice the club officials who were working the door of the Saddlers club pointing out people to police that came in for a look but i thought nothing of it at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scroobscurtis Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Cider Head, As you're well aware I was one of 10 arrested for this same thing, and your post is most interesting, as I wasn't looking at it from that angle - I've always tended to trust the police to a point. Stephen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Cider Head, As you're well aware I was one of 10 arrested for this same thing, and your post is most interesting, as I wasn't looking at it from that angle - I've always tended to trust the police to a point. Stephen. ← 2 subbers were arrested for going to the toilet bob who was with his wife and kid, and a young chap called isac (who was not drinking).. LSN was with us having a beer and was no way drunk.. and yourself arrested all the above were in that club house, my guess so were most of the other 20 who were arrested.. something ain't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Red Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Yeah. It's clear that they had decided to arrest people who were in that place, irrespective of whether they were actually drunk or not. They simply used the fact that they were in there drinking as an excuse. If it's true that club officials were pointing various people out to police then Walsall FC clearly knew exactly what was going on. That doesn't bode well with regard to complaints to the club itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 A Question to all in th' Saddlers Club. Were there old Bill in or around the club with cameras/videos etc. A similar incident happened to me at Stamford bridge, about eight years ago. Drinking in a Chelsea pub, which had bricks lobbed in by Spurs fans, on their (escorted) way to the ground, and loads of us drinking in there were ejected and banned. I have since found out that they had all of us videoed and once seen in the ground were picked up and ejected from their central CCTV footage. And NO I'm not a burb fool, just an ordinary fan chucked out vfor jumping around!! Clue Chelsea had just scored a goal, and its called a cellebration. Can anyone check on this? Maybe of use to you all............... Good Luck Thursday...........its scheisse all the way this whole farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylus Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Well after the YSC have been recorded before home games and during games it seems to me that teh club suspect that we are not the sort of fans which we know we are. We are not hooligans just loud and proud fans who want to bring the fun back to football. Now, on the subbers forum it was well publisised where the pre-match drinking venue was (saddlers club) and so maybe the police decided that would be where many would be targeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Offences connected with alcohol at designated sporting events (Control of Alcohol, etc) Act 1985This legislation is aimed at deterring the consumption of alcohol when persons are travelling to, or are present at, football matches designated by the Secretary of State. The carriage of alcohol to matches is forbidden. Section 2(2) makes it an offence for a person to be drunk, either while entering or present within a ground covered by the Act. This offence is of particular help when dealing with minor acts of disorderly behaviour. If a person is drunk whilst causing a disturbance, or shouting obscenities, a conviction can be obtained to acknowledge the person's behaviour without the need to show the elements of disorderly conduct or drunk and disorderly. Offences under this Act are 'relevant offences' on schedule 1 of the Football Spectators Act 1989 for the purpose of 'banning orders' If this is the case, then surely, ALL football clubs should be made to close their clubs, where alcohol is served??, (Red and White Bar to shut!!) as the Clubs are actively encouaging supporters to break the law, by allowing them to have a beer or two, then allowing them to enter a football ground whilst under the influence of alcohol!!. And it does seem funny, how all of those who have posted on the Forum, were actually at the Saddlers club before the game!!. Hope that the City Board read all of this information, and put a case forward on behalf of those arrested last Saturday, and maybe allow the Club Solicitors to represent those supporters too!!, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Offences connected with alcohol at designated sporting events (Control of Alcohol, etc) Act 1985This legislation is aimed at deterring the consumption of alcohol when persons are travelling to, or are present at, football matches designated by the Secretary of State. The carriage of alcohol to matches is forbidden. Section 2(2) makes it an offence for a person to be drunk, either while entering or present within a ground covered by the Act. This offence is of particular help when dealing with minor acts of disorderly behaviour. If a person is drunk whilst causing a disturbance, or shouting obscenities, a conviction can be obtained to acknowledge the person's behaviour without the need to show the elements of disorderly conduct or drunk and disorderly. Offences under this Act are 'relevant offences' on schedule 1 of the Football Spectators Act 1989 for the purpose of 'banning orders' If this is the case, then surely, ALL football clubs should be made to close their clubs, where alcohol is served??, (Red and White Bar to shut!!) as the Clubs are actively encouaging supporters to break the law, by allowing them to have a beer or two, then allowing them to enter a football ground whilst under the influence of alcohol!!. And it does seem funny, how all of those who have posted on the Forum, were actually at the Saddlers club before the game!!. Hope that the City Board read all of this information, and put a case forward on behalf of those arrested last Saturday, and maybe allow the Club Solicitors to represent those supporters too!!, ← interesting... the police would still have to prove you were drunk to arrest you going by that and the only way is to have breath tests and a standard limit like drink driving has then you can't argue with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scroobscurtis Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 A Question to all in th' Saddlers Club. Were there old Bill in or around the club with cameras/videos etc. A similar incident happened to me at Stamford bridge, about eight years ago. Drinking in a Chelsea pub, which had bricks lobbed in by Spurs fans, on their (escorted) way to the ground, and loads of us drinking in there were ejected and banned. I have since found out that they had all of us videoed and once seen in the ground were picked up and ejected from their central CCTV footage. And NO I'm not a burb fool, just an ordinary fan chucked out vfor jumping around!! Clue Chelsea had just scored a goal, and its called a cellebration. Can anyone check on this? Maybe of use to you all............... Good Luck Thursday...........its scheisse all the way this whole farce. ← I was in the Saddlers for 45 minutes and yes the police did enter the pub at one point, I didn't really think anything of it, that's normal behaviour for the police to check out if were all behaving ourselve's, just like any other game I've been too. I didn't see any video or cameras equipment, but a couple of users on here did note that door staff were pointing people out to the police, I personally didn't see this, and the people who did again didn't really think anything of it. The more this thread goes the more it seems we were caught up in a W Midland "police sting" something that apparently happens every other week at the Bescot - it's an absolute disgrace, and my respect for the police today stands at ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I was in the Saddlers for 45 minutes and yes the police did enter the pub at one point, I didn't really think anything of it, that's normal behaviour for the police to check out if were all behaving ourselve's, just like any other game I've been too. I didn't see any video or cameras equipment, but a couple of users on here did note that door staff were pointing people out to the police, I personally didn't see this, and the people who did again didn't really think anything of it. The more this thread goes the more it seems we were caught up in a W Midland "police sting" something that apparently happens every other week at the Bescot - it's an absolute disgrace, and my respect for the police today stands at ZERO. ← the point where the police came in was just after some city fans did try singing a city song but only managed to get one verse sang when the people running the door came up and said no chanting please, those who were said ok no problem and said sorry, normal quietness was resumed and just carried on chatting, the door staff (who i might say were not what i'd call doorman) must have got the police to come and have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red angler Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 3 coppers came into the george pub as well at about 2pm also carrying a video camera,mind you i don't think they used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LeicesterRed Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I have written via email to WMP with regard to my disgust at the way people have been treated. I find Bristolbred`s account of asking the police if he was ok to park his car and the response he got sums up many experiences on saturday. I would urge all to make their feelings known.If anyone else does contact WMP, make a clear and honest case, ranting will get nowhere.( Not suggesting anyone would rant ofcourse) I cannot understand why our fans were targetted in such a way. Does anyone have info on Walsall arrests? There may be a policy in action at the ground targetting people who have committed the heinous crime of enjoying themselves and who dare to have a pint. However, I very much doubt if any of their own were arrested for such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I have written via email to WMP with regard to my disgust at the way people have been treated. I find Bristolbred`s account of asking the police if he was ok to park his car and the response he got sums up many experiences on saturday. I would urge all to make their feelings known.If anyone else does contact WMP, make a clear and honest case, ranting will get nowhere.( Not suggesting anyone would rant ofcourse) I cannot understand why our fans were targetted in such a way. Does anyone have info on Walsall arrests? There may be a policy in action at the ground targetting people who have committed the heinous crime of enjoying themselves and who dare to have a pint. However, I very much doubt if any of their own were arrested for such nonsense. ← from what i seen 2 walsall lads were arrested in the ground for constant goading of city fans, as we did get to bump in to one at the police station while picking one of our lads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilksi Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Did anyone arrested on saturday, see or ask to see the duty solictor at the police station?? Or do any of them have solictors who they contacted at the time of arrest?? I was just intrested in hearing if this occured and what their advice was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 One of the three Police Officers who came to have a look in the Saddlers club before the match on Saturday was the Bristol football liason officer Tommy Alford, just seeing who was in there i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scroobscurtis Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 One of the three Police Officers who came to have a look in the Saddlers club before the match on Saturday was the Bristol football liason officer Tommy Alford, just seeing who was in there i think. ← I can confirm that I did see one Wallsall supporter whilst in the police cells at the ground - I'd say he was about 19 at the most - but I never saw any others - he didn't appear until half time (ish) just before we were transported to the main police station - I never saw him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scroobscurtis Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Did anyone arrested on saturday, see or ask to see the duty solictor at the police station?? Or do any of them have solictors who they contacted at the time of arrest?? I was just intrested in hearing if this occured and what their advice was. ← No I don't think any of us saw a duty solicitor, as I personally didn't think that the outcome would lead to this mess (none of us did) you all know the story by now I don't have to repeat the circumstances of how we became arrested - I just assumed we would be realeased after the game and free to go home - I didn't actually realise I was being charged for drinking 2 pints of cider until 8.40pm when I was pulled from the cells of the main poilice station in Wallsall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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