Wurzel of Oz Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 OK, England today announced their tour squad of 17 with 3 spinners and no wicket keepers . . . .As much as we all love his batting, noone can deny that beind the stumps Geriant Jones in a liability to England. My view is that he may score an extra 20 runs here and there, the chances that go abegging (i won't make any byes coments because as a stopper he's not bad) are bound to end up costing more more than that, not forgetting the fact that Read is a more than reasonable batsman himself, Rodney Marsh said that last winter he was the best batsman at the Academy and his average over the last two seasons is somwhere around the 45 mark! He may not score hundreds but he will chip in with scores. And since when has Jones' batting really set the world alight, apart from the ionnings at Headingly vs the Kiwis. And Matt Prior is a worse keeper than Jones so i won't get started on him . . .As for bowling, Shaun Udal = big step backwards. Hell why didn't we pick Caddick for the Oval?! Really shows the positive aspect of the academy: Pesnar, Swann(OK, maybe not Batty!) are guys that have been in the England setup for a while and would be ready for the callup at anytime should cover spinner get injured. I'm quite happy with the Loudon selection, not least because i'm friend with his cousin! As I feel his off-spin is underrated as while were on the subject is Vaughan and Pietersen's! And he's young which is good, i don't see the point in taking Udal at all, OK, the guy's had bad luck in the past with the knee but well, he's a negative step . . .OK, uncoherant poorly ordered rant over!Views?Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Views?Sam ←A few cars...the house opposite and a lamp post. Not much more as its a bit dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barman Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Agree about Udal - can't see the point in picking a 36 year old with no test experience. Shows the dearth in spinning talent we have I suppose (Giles is hardly a world beater but at least he can bat), and at least they're also taking the younger Loudon.As for Geraint Jones, I wish people would lay off the bloke! OK he's no Jack Russell but he's done OK and I'd definately stick with him. He may have missed a few but he's also taken some great catches and picked up a stumping, plus his batting adds tempo to the lower order as he gets his runs so quickly. He WILL improve behind the stumps the more experience he gets. However, I would agree that Read is very unlucky not to be his backup.My main worry with the squad is that it's a specialist batsman short - I don't consider Collingwood sufficient cover for one of the top six. Surely we should have taken Anderson OR Tremlett and stuck in another top order batsman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 When i saw the squad i was amazed to see which spinners were chosen. However having thought about it it makes more sense.We're picking the most in form and the most talented players to go. It's odd we didn't include either before though.I'm not a Jones fan but we do need 7 batsmen in the team and i differ on how to get them from the England management. I'd prefer a wicket keeper who can keep wicket as Jones average of low 30 is taken down by the 15-20 he conceeds each innings. This will be greater as he'll have to stand closer to deal with the spinners.Especially as spinners can spend many overs bowling and quicks are reduced to shock spells in Pakistan i think 7 batsmen (inc Flintoff) Wk then the 3 bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 In my opinion the squad was spot on.Although sceptical at first Udal's selection makes perfect sense. The {arguably only} in form English spinner is rightly in the touring party, even though 2 spinners probably wont be required.I was leaning toward giving Shah the nod prioe to selcection, but i have to say i like the look of the squad. Collingwood is and always was going to be the back-up batsman, Cook, Bopara, Shah etc where going to be excess baggage on the tour, merely along for the ride unless injury's played a huge part.The selectors have got it right in my opinion. The only potential problem is if Simon Jones doesnt regain fitness the selectors are burdened with the decision of whether to play Udal or another seamer.Good squad, the right squad, a 2-0/2-1 victory in Pakistan beckons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 We have just won the Ashes for the first time since 1989. We are currently ranked the 2nd best team in the world, just behind Australia. To complain about the squad selection, is, in my view, ridiculous. Someone on here has said that Jones isn't a Jack Russel- try asking what Russel says about him, and then people may realise that Jones is a good keeper, and an excellent batsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barman Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Someone on here has said that Jones isn't a Jack Russel- try asking what Russel says about him, and then people may realise that Jones is a good keeper, and an excellent batsmen.←It was me that said that, and if you actually read the rest of what I said you'd see that I was backing Jones, not slating him.To say that he's no Jack Russell isn't a criticism - Russell was the best keeper we've ever had. Jones is a better batsman than Jack though.To say people can't at least question squad selection is, in my view, ridiculous! The Australians are currently paying the price for not changing a winning team when perhaps there was one or two that were in the 'comfort zone' and not performing that well. I think our first choice XI picks itself but I see no harm in questioning the back-up should things go wrong.Never rest on your laurels!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTauntonian Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 OK, England today announced their tour squad of 17 with 3 spinners and no wicket keepers . . . .As much as we all love his batting, noone can deny that beind the stumps Geriant Jones in a liability to England. My view is that he may score an extra 20 runs here and there, the chances that go abegging (i won't make any byes coments because as a stopper he's not bad) are bound to end up costing more more than that, not forgetting the fact that Read is a more than reasonable batsman himself, Rodney Marsh said that last winter he was the best batsman at the Academy and his average over the last two seasons is somwhere around the 45 mark! He may not score hundreds but he will chip in with scores. And since when has Jones' batting really set the world alight, apart from the ionnings at Headingly vs the Kiwis. And Matt Prior is a worse keeper than Jones so i won't get started on him . . .As for bowling, Shaun Udal = big step backwards. Hell why didn't we pick Caddick for the Oval?! Really shows the positive aspect of the academy: Pesnar, Swann(OK, maybe not Batty!) are guys that have been in the England setup for a while and would be ready for the callup at anytime should cover spinner get injured. I'm quite happy with the Loudon selection, not least because i'm friend with his cousin! As I feel his off-spin is underrated as while were on the subject is Vaughan and Pietersen's! And he's young which is good, i don't see the point in taking Udal at all, OK, the guy's had bad luck in the past with the knee but well, he's a negative step . . .OK, uncoherant poorly ordered rant over!Views?Sam ←I say the selecters have got it right, ok maybe not Udalm, but then he das done very well this season, so hell why not. Geraint Jones is a good keeper, and a good batsman, ok he has dropped a few, but read has had 2 chcnces before and has buggered it up twice. Also Prior is in the squad as he can bat as well, and if jones was to get injured then he would be a like for like replacement.Also one of the reasons Caddick wasn't selected for the oval was because he was injured until the wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderEagle Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 We have just won the Ashes for the first time since 1989. We are currently ranked the 2nd best team in the world, just behind Australia. To complain about the squad selection, is, in my view, ridiculous. Someone on here has said that Jones isn't a Jack Russel- try asking what Russel says about him, and then people may realise that Jones is a good keeper, and an excellent batsmen.←Bolox to that - nobody is arguing over the first eleven plus Collingwood, but I reckon the've missed a trick by not taking Shah. And what exactly did Robert Key do wrong to be downgraded to the A tour? And as for not taking Reid, its a sad day for English cricket AFAIC, cos that means there is no place for the best keeper in the country even as first reserve. The wk/batsmen have won the day it seems. That said, Alec Stewart's keeping improved the more Tests he played, and you can't deny Jones G can demolish a bowling attack on a good day.On the bowling side I think Udal is a good selection on current form - the cupboard is pretty much empty of English spinners. Given our climate, the only way we will ever produce decent wicket taking spinners again is to bring back uncovered wickets. Not too sure what Anderson will do if called up, I'd have liked to see Kabir Ali given a go. If Jones S is injured there's nobody else who can reverse swing it.More fun than talking about City at the moment innit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Chris read whilst being the best keeper in england apparently has an attitude problem. ~When he was last playing for england he apparently took criticism of his batting personally and told fletcher what he thought.This could be the reason. As for udal, why not fresh blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Chris read whilst being the best keeper in england apparently has an attitude problem. ~When he was last playing for england he apparently took criticism of his batting personally and told fletcher what he thought.This could be the reason. As for udal, why not fresh blood.←Whatever happened it's obvious that Fletcher doesn't rate him. I very much doubt whether he'll play for England again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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