richwwtk Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hopefully Clayton will have shut up a lot of the people that deem him no good yesterday with a solid defensive display after he came on. The guy is a decent footballer and doesn't deserve the abuse that seems to get heaped onto him on here.I also presume that his presence on the bench means that GJ rates him above Keogh, or was Keogh missing for other reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 He was reasonable, but he was losing headers to people alot shorter than him. He is tall for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanDudess Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hopefully Clayton will have shut up a lot of the people that deem him no good yesterday with a solid defensive display after he came on. The guy is a decent footballer and doesn't deserve the abuse that seems to get heaped onto him on here.I also presume that his presence on the bench means that GJ rates him above Keogh, or was Keogh missing for other reasons?Yeah, he wasnt bad. Look fairly solid. I wouldnt put him on the bench ahead of Keogh though. And whilst Kelly and Osei are here he wont get a starting place unless they get injured and then we have Heywood and Parto plus Keogh and Orr, bench at best for Clayton me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hopefully Clayton will have shut up a lot of the people that deem him no good yesterday with a solid defensive display after he came on. The guy is a decent footballer and doesn't deserve the abuse that seems to get heaped onto him on here.I also presume that his presence on the bench means that GJ rates him above Keogh, or was Keogh missing for other reasons?I agree, but I know that there are many on here who won't, no matter how he plays.I hope you've got your tin helmet on!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Traveller Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 he was only ok no more. before you say it redtucks i am against having fortune in the side. gary cannot rate him that highly, if he did he would not have signed youga. to all you fortune fans be honest would you play him before if all the players are fit heywood, partridge, sankofa, keogh and youga. you know my answer NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I thought he did better, thats it. He was there to do a job and he did it OK. 6/10 is what I would give him.MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepton red Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 People should get off his case. He is a reasonable League1 defender, not John Terry, and shock horror he makes errors. The groans that were heard when he was announced as a sub were unhelpful, and will only further knock his confidence.Support the players, give them some encouragement, and who knows they may raise their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Traveller Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Come on mate he is not a league 1 defender, more like a conference player. if you can find a team that would want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepton red Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Well Preston were prepared to pay £300k for the Conference player, and I believe that Craig Brown is far better placed to judge the player than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Traveller Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 fair point. but it seems i am a better judge of a player than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepton red Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 fair point. but it seems i am a better judge of a player than you.Of course mate, I bow to your superior knowledge!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Well Preston were prepared to pay £300k for the Conference player, and I believe that Craig Brown is far better placed to judge the player than me.Bargain done !!!!!!! Lovely, get Fortune on his way to Preston for £300,000 then. I hope Gary Johnson is reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted October 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Come on mate he is not a league 1 defender, more like a conference player. if you can find a team that would want him.Whilst I wouldn't pick him in a first choice eleven he certainly has the ability to be way better than conference standard. It now needs someone to give him the attitude to go with the ability, and the fact that GJ picked him for the bench ahead of Keogh suggests he's confident that he can do that. Certainly no groans from me when his name is read out, more than happy for him to be on the bench or fill in when we have players missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Whilst I wouldn't pick him in a first choice eleven he certainly has the ability to be way better than conference standard. It now needs someone to give him the attitude to go with the ability, and the fact that GJ picked him for the bench ahead of Keogh suggests he's confident that he can do that. Certainly no groans from me when his name is read out, more than happy for him to be on the bench or fill in when we have players missing.Good point, i don't doubt his football ability, he just needs to think more hes not a very decisive player, but with GJ looking after him i have hopes he could deliver what he has promised.Fortune looked solid enough and credit to him, however he still needs to work on his awareness, looks lost somtimes and not good if your centre half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 he was only ok no more. That is praise indeed coming from you Traveller.That must mean that he actually had a good game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Traveller Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 like i said only ok. he was out jumped 3 times for headers by men a lot smaller than him. greenacre and delroy facey it should never happen. sorry not good enough. he also looks like he is a yard of the pace. people on here say i moan about him to much these people are right but it is only how i see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 like i said only ok. he was out jumped 3 times for headers by men a lot smaller than him. greenacre and delroy facey it should never happen. sorry not good enough. he also looks like he is a yard of the pace. people on here say i moan about him to much these people are right but it is only how i see it.I didn't think he was much use. Looked as uncomfortbale as usual. Will always get people that support him despite the performances not being good enough. Don't get me wrong, I'll support him when's he is on the pitch but I'm afraid he doesn't inspire any confidence in the defence and isn't good enough for me. Central midfield maybe, but centre back- no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I thought he gave a fairly typical Fortune performance, if I say more than that I'll be accused of slating him! It was unfortunate Kelly went off injured as I thought he offered a bit more than Fortune, in spite of having only met his team mates (bar 1) only a day or 2 before, compared with Clayton who has been here a long time now. He looked awkward and uncomfortable, but he always looks like that so maybe that's just how he plays? Made me feel awkward and uncomfottable too!I hope keogh will be groomed to be the replacement defender in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest harveythompson Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hopefully Clayton will have shut up a lot of the people that deem him no good yesterday with a solid defensive display after he came on. The guy is a decent footballer and doesn't deserve the abuse that seems to get heaped onto him on here.I also presume that his presence on the bench means that GJ rates him above Keogh, or was Keogh missing for other reasons?Well said, I never doubted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I agree that Fortune gets more stick than he should but yesterday was not a very convincing display for him. He lost out too much in the air, misplaced a pass or two and didn't look very confident on the ball.Nibor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Gummidge Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I'm not surpised he wasn't confident after the reception he got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I'm not surpised he wasn't confident after the reception he got! i don't rate him as a player and he gets the reaction he does because of hisalleged antics off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Gummidge Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 i don't rate him as a player and he gets the reaction he does because of hisalleged antics off the pitch.Yes. I'm not saying he's a great player but surely whilst he's at the club and playing (if he's picked) we should give him our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't understand why Keogh doesn't seem to get a chance in that position.I agree Fortune is no more than cover for centre back. However, I would love to see him played as the holding Midfielder in the reserves to check if that is his unique position. I still think we are short of this type of player, and Ledley King for England demonstrated how someone taking up this role can enable the rest of the team to play - in the same way that many teams fail to tick without this type of player (Man U Keane, Arsenal Vieira, Liverpool Hamann, Chelsea/Real Madrid Makelele etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Keogh had a mare against Swansea appanrently, but then everyone did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 i don't rate him as a player and he gets the reaction he does because of hisalleged antics off the pitch.How ya doing mate. It was good meeting you for the first time saturday :Clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Keogh had a mare against Swansea appanrently, but then everyone did.Was the best defender that day! But still awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 How ya doing mate. It was good meeting you for the first time saturday :Clap: yeah not bad, good meeting you to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 He was reasonable, but he was losing headers to people alot shorter than him. He is tall for a reason Of course he's tall for a reason - it's so the bottom of his trousers don't drag along the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redphilc Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Well Preston were prepared to pay £300k for the Conference player, and I believe that Craig Brown is far better placed to judge the player than me.I reckon they really wanted Matt Hill and couldn't believe their luck when they snapped him up for just £100k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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