Never to the dark side Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Maybe a good idea considering both sets of fans abuse each others anthems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Maybe a good idea considering both sets of fans abuse each others anthemsIt only ever seems to be ENGLISH fans at abuse anthems to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Maybe a good idea considering both sets of fans abuse each others anthemsIt happened at JJB Stadium at the Great britain v Australia international at the beginning of the month. The Australian fans were fine, but the morons booing and whistling through the Australian anthem was disgraceful.I'm glad they don't bother playing anthems before European ties any more. What would be the point of Chelski or L'Arsenal singing "God save the Queen"? It happened at JJB Stadium at the Great britain v Australia rugby league international at the beginning of the month. The Australian fans were fine, but the morons booing and whistling through the Australian anthem was disgraceful.I'm glad they don't bother playing anthems before European ties any more. What would be the point of Chelski or L'Arsenal singing "God save the Queen"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB. Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sepp Blatter just wants to kill any traditions that are left in the game.How did he get the job of UEFA president? He's terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It happened at JJB Stadium at the Great britain v Australia international at the beginning of the month. The Australian fans were fine, but the morons booing and whistling through the Australian anthem was disgraceful.I'm glad they don't bother playing anthems before European ties any more. What would be the point of Chelski or L'Arsenal singing "God save the Queen"?That was clever... how did I do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It only ever seems to be ENGLISH fans at abuse anthems to meoh yeh??? where have you been hiding all your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewsham Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It only ever seems to be ENGLISH fans at abuse anthems to meSepp Blatter was concerned at abuse of the Swiss anthem at the recent Turkey v Switzerland game by Turkish fans. How on earth have this shonky crew escaped the type of ban taht England suffered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roejowland Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 they are pointless anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sounds like the 'PC' brigade strike again!! :@ :@ All anthems should be played. Players are playing for their countrys and their countrys have national anthems along with national flags . What are they going to do next ban the St george flag from England internationals next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTop Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sounds like the 'PC' brigade strike again!! :@ :@ All anthems should be played. Players are playing for their countrys and their countrys have national anthems along with national flags . What are they going to do next ban the St george flag from England internationals next?Yep, agreed. But fans should respect them too. And (as a group) we don't, so it's hard for us fans to collectively take the moral high ground on this one and accuse the powers that be of spoiling it when we've done a pretty good job of that ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sounds like the 'PC' brigade strike again!! :@ :@ All anthems should be played. Players are playing for their countrys and their countrys have national anthems along with national flags . What are they going to do next ban the St george flag from England internationals next?I agree. Keep the anthems, just do a bit of "self policing" in the stadium. If some moron starts booing or jeering, tell him or her to pack in it. Nothing sets up an international player for a game more than to have the p taken out of their national flag or anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronmeister Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Everyone in the stadiums should be eqquiped with axes, so they can hit people who are disrespectful.Problem Solved No need to thank me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest North Street Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It only ever seems to be ENGLISH fans at abuse anthems to meSorry as someone who attends England games away and at home you can add the Scots, Southern Irish, Welsh,Argentinians [last week], Poles, Slovaks, Croats, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Germans & Italians. Speaking from experience the Swedes, Danes, french, Finns, Norwegians, Swiss, Albanians, Macedonians & Dutch do not boo our anthem but may take exception to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Everyone in the stadiums should be eqquiped with axes, so they can hit people who are disrespectful.Problem Solved No need to thank meA brilliant alternative to the penalty shoot out, just count the number of supporters still standing. highest number wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronmeister Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 A brilliant alternative to the penalty shoot out, just count the number of supporters still standing. highest number wins.Why don't they just do that at all our home matches, don't bother playing, just count the number of supporters left at the final whistle?Oh wait we'd lose every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 22, 2005 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2005 Heard an interesting point I think it was on one of the SKY TV phone in's where someone suggested that instead of playing National Anthems, there was one standard tune played before a game whilst the players are stood there.This is taken on at Champions league games, anyone that has been to a Champions league game will tell you that when this tune starts the atmosphere rises so maybe it is time to move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoTheCiderHead Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Have you got a link for this? Cant find nothing on it anywhere!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 22, 2005 Admin Share Posted November 22, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/i...als/4459532.stmBlatter suggests dropping anthems Blatter wants teams to shake hands after each game Fifa president Sepp Blatter has suggested national anthems should be scrapped before international games. Blatter was upset by booing during the anthems in the World Cup play-off between Turkey and Switzerland. "I consider it extremely disrespectful and of course disparaging to national pride," Blatter told Swiss magazine Schweizer Illustrierte. "I'm wondering whether it makes sense to play the national anthems. We should at least consider not playing them." A Fifa spokesman told BBC Sport that Blatter's comments were his own personal opinion and no official moves had been made to do away with national anthems. But Blatter believes the booing of anthems may contribute to crowd trouble. In Istanbul, the home fans booed the Swiss anthem, after the Turkish team had earlier complained about Swiss fans whistling over their national anthem ahead of the play-off first leg in Bern. The second leg ended with the victorious Swiss players running for the tunnel as missiles were thrown from the crowd. As they reached the players' tunnel, a fight broke out with their Turkish counterparts. Blatter added: "We could also insist that the teams shake hands after the match. "We cannot have the situation where the winning team is unable to celebrate but must instead sprint off the pitch like thieves." Fifa has launched an investigation into events at Istanbul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 What is "baned", is that like being banned or not as bad?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I can't beleive people are over-reacting like this!! Being English (although the subbers will say I'm an Irish gypsy) when the other team boo it only makes me feel like I should sing even more louder. Can't see how people can get offended. It's the countries song, it's our duty to sing it loud so THEY CAN HEAR IT!!!I don't boo other nations anthems, well, I have done in my living room (Germans, Argies etc) but not of hate, just because they are rivals!It's only football blatter, get over it you moron!edit: and to re-itterate, THEY ARE NOT POINTLESS, THEY REPRESENT THE COUNTRY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 edit: and to re-itterate, THEY ARE NOT POINTLESS, THEY REPRESENT THE COUNTRY!!!How does "God Save the Queen" represent the English? She's a German ho married to a Greek. God's from the Middle East. Please explain how this represents the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 i've been saying for ages that PC ba57erds have been trying to scrap the english national anthem because it does not represent those that believe in God, and those that believe that the Monarchy should step down. The fact that it gets involved into a footballing matter and everyone takes attention to it.Keep the national anthems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 i've been saying for ages that PC ba57erds have been trying to scrap the english national anthem because it does not represent those that believe in God, and those that believe that the Monarchy should step down. The fact that it gets involved into a footballing matter and everyone takes attention to it.Keep the national anthems Just a thought.... maybe there should be an ENGLISH anthem to be played. God Save the Queen is the anthem of the UK. Suggest "Jerusalem"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Sepp Blatter just wants to kill any traditions that are left in the game.How did he get the job of UEFA president? He's SWISS!!Supposed to be "neutral!", but what else do you expect from a Country who's only contribution to the World is the Cuckoo Clock!! Maybe a good idea considering both sets of fans abuse each others anthemsHis next idea will be to ban Internationals, Championships and matches like the UEFA Cup, just in case the opposing fans and players don't like each other!! :@ :@ :@According to 'Baldrick' Tony Robinson and what I've personally researched the last monarch that was actually English and legitimate i.e. descended from Alfred the Great was King Richard III. Every monarch since then including the current British government's imposter 'God' Queen is of foreign descent. I wouldn't go so far as booing the German descended 'God' Queen's anthem but as an English Republican I do find it highly offensive. Long live the memory of the English Commonwealth and English Republic.God save us from Royalist tyranny.Ashby De La Zouch is the "real" Capital of this Country and we should be ruled over by Good King Michael, according to Baldrickimpostor!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Just a thought.... maybe there should be an ENGLISH anthem to be played. God Save the Queen is the anthem of the UK. Suggest "Jerusalem".....You got my support for that one!I think Blatter should concern himself with footballing and security matters such as dealing with the animal from Turkey before messing with traditions like the anthems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 How does "God Save the Queen" represent the English? She's a German ho married to a Greek. God's from the Middle East. Please explain how this represents the country?Alright I will tell you why. Throughout History and before we had a government, this country was ruled by either a King, or a Queen. We have always had a king and queen representing this country and expanding the Brittish empire. It is tradition, tradition which in my eyes should be carried on into the future.God is christian of course. This country, tradionally is a chiristianic country and therefore that is how the anthem goes.I am a tradioinalist and a patriot, together this is why I believe we should carry on singing this national anthem which represents my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Long live the memory of the English Commonwealth and English Republic.God save us from Royalist tyranny.Hear, Hear. I am a very patriotic ENGLISHMAN who happens to be a republican as well, I feel no loyalty towards the queen or our "anthem" whatsoever.A prefered option would be for some other English anthem to be played, but as a pround Englishman I shrink in shame every time my fellow "supporters" boo another countrys anthems and for that reason, until we can all grow up and learn a bit of respect for others I would back Blatters suggestion 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Isn't this thread brilliant, it's like tapping into an Open University history lecture. Naff all to do with City, but hey, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 we reach the play-off final again this year we'll have to endure the British Government's 'God' Queen anthem.I hope!!! God Save The Queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I hope!!! God Save The Queen Unfortunately I'm more likely to stand up during a rendition of "God save the Queen" than us get to the playoff final. Anyway, what was God called before he sent Christ to save our souls? He surely wasn't a "Christian"?I've always thought the National Anthem was "Drink up ye Cider". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Unfortunately I'm more likely to stand up during a rendition of "God save the Queen" than us get to the playoff final. Anyway, what was God called before he sent Christ to save our souls? He surely wasn't a "Christian"?God was called YHWH in Hebrew, an unutterable name too holy to mentionI've always thought the National Anthem was "Drink up ye Cider". I'll go along with that Yeh, I hope for the play-offs also. I've thought of a few phrases that could be incorporated in any new national anthem....."Long live the memory of the English Commonwealth and English Republic."&"God save us from Royalist tyranny." Would 'Massive Attack' be prepared to help me compose a new anthem in anticipation of us making the play-off final? The Royal family aren't great, but the folk memory of Cromwell is even worse. If you fancy an alternative head of state, at least go for someone we can elect AND dismiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Sorry to be picky LSN but you're very wrong, up until around 450 AD this country was actually a Province of the Roman empire. We were therefore ruled by various Caesars from Rome until this time. Afterwards there was so much fighting between various invading Northern European tribes no one was actually sure who was rightful 'King'. After the English civil war this country was run as a Commonwealth and Republic and after that a Protectorate under Oliver Cromwell then his son.This country has, therefore, not always been ruled by a King or Queen. The current Royal family are barely English let alone a legitimate English Royal family. The British Government Queen's family name is actually Saxe-Coburg Goethe changed to 'Windsor' due to hatred of Germans and all things German during the and after World War I.ah good one Gobblers, it is true that you learn something new every day! Back in 450ad, isn't that when Arthur and his knights along with the eanish (spelling???) teamed up and killed them saxons for control over Britain, as the Romans were starting to pack up and leave the isles? Or is that a bit after? I'm still on the side of the national anthem though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Not sure boss, Arthur of the Britons could of been a Roman general that stayed behind or a Celtic leader no one seems really sure. There were, however, fierce battles between the 'Romano-British' and Anglo-Saxon invading tribes for control of what is now England shortly after the Romans left. Recent genetic research suggests that ethnic cleansing may of taken place with the ancient British tribes being sold into slavery or fleeing for their lives into what is now Wales and Cornwall (formerly known as West Wales) - the last truely Celtic County left in England. That period was known as the 'dark ages' as the country seems to have been in complete chaos with the loss of all Roman control and stability.Heil Caesar those romans leaving our country dry!!! bar stewards the lot of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Does that mean we shouldn't boo when opposing players names are read out as that would be disrespectful as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB. Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Does that mean we shouldn't boo when opposing players names are read out as that would be disrespectful as well?Good point. I don't boo national anthems myself but if another country were booing mine, it would make me want to sing even louder and beat them even more.I would be even more proud if we out sung the boos. Sepp Blatter said a few years ago that he wants football to become like the theartre (sp). He seems to be winning his battle if you look around the grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 That's your opinion and thanks to the efforts of Oliver Cromwell and the English Republican Army you are free to express it Here is one of the greatest speeches ever to be delivered to the House of Commons - almost as pertinent today as on the 20th April 1653 when Oliver Cromwell delivered it to dismiss the Long Parliament..... "It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves become the greatest grievance. Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do; I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place; go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!" Stirring stuff. But Cromwell was no less an autocrat than the regime he sought to replace. He was also a religious bigot (and probably a gashead) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Blatter Out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Fascinating period - the Roman period of British history 44 BC? to 450 AD? If we adopt the Euro to replace the £ it will not be the first time that we've had a single European currency as we had a single European currency during the Roman period !!!!! Bet a lot of you hadn't thought of that. By Jove, Heil Caesar !!!!It's "Hail Caesar".... confused with "Heil Hitler", another bloke who tried to introduce a single currency for Europe: the REICHMARK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I stand corrected revkev, not surprising to make such a Freudian slip when this country has a German descended 'God' Queen as its head of state. Hail Caesar ......now that sounds less Krautesque There is a rumour going around that suggests you were descended from a monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 quote revkev "But Cromwell was no less an autocrat than the regime he sought to replace. He was also a religious bigot (and probably a gashead)".Cromwell may of been no democrat but he was certainly no autocrat. Cromwell used to consult a very many advisors of different persuasion on important issues when unsure and was known to think for weeks on end before deciding. As you may or may not be a 'Reverend' Kev of the Church of England may I remind you that along with the House of Lords and office of King, the snob/toff infested and bigoted 'Church of England' was the only Christian church to be abolished during the English Republican and Commonwealth period. Doesn't that say something?It says that you have a poor grasp of history. The Roman Catholics in Ireland (where my ancestors were at that time) fared terribly at the hands of Cromwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 The Roman Catholics in Ireland supported the English Royalists in their attempt to overthrow the English Republic. The Republic and Commonwealth of England also went to war with Protestant Holland and the English Republic also had an alliance with Roman Catholic France.May I divert your attention from Oliver Cromwell to the Leveller leader John Lilburne. In 1637 Lilburne met John Bastwick, a Puritan preacher who had just had his ears cut off for writing a pamphlet attacking the religious views of the William Laud, the Church of England Archbishop of Canterbury. Lilburne was shocked that someone could be so severely punished for expressing their religious beliefs. Lilburne offered to help Bastwick in his struggle with the Anglican Church. Eventually it was agreed that Lilburne should go to Holland to organise the printing of a book that Bastwick had written. In December 1637 Lilburne was arrested and charged with printing and circulating unlicensed books. On 13th February, 1638, he was found guilty and sentenced to be fined £500, whipped, pilloried and imprisoned. The following month he was whipped from Fleet Prison to Palace Yard. When he was placed in the pillory he tried to make a speech praising John Bastwick and was gagged. While in prison Lilburne wrote about his punishments, The Work of the Beast (1638) and an attack on the Anglican Church, Come Out of Her, My People (1639). Since 1639 the English people certainly have left the Church of England in droves. And despite it all, the good old C of E persists in sticking around.... unlike Cromwell's Commonwealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Don't you mean Cromwell's Protectorate? The Commonwealth and Republic came about before Cromwell's Protectorate and as a result of outstanding military victories - many at that time said "God given victories" - against a corrupt and tyrannical King Charles I who had the full support of his Church of England. Why cut someone's ears off for writing a pamphlet against the leader of your church? What kind of church are you?Good morning RedGoblinInterested to read your last post.I can't justify what happened 400 years ago any more than you might justify Cromwell's excesses. Suffice to say that the Church of England doesn't usually go in for cutting off ears these days, although you might have a point there.....Must go, it's time to start work. Now where did I put that vegetable knife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Cant we just ban women instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Praise the Lord !!!!!!!! and thank you for the debate dear Reverend. ......but unlike you, I'm for 'God and Parliament'....and I'm also proud to be a sworn enemy of royalist and ecclesiastical tyrants. Just a final question.... what is Santa doing at the trial of Charles I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I'd say ask the painter - John Burnet - but he's long dead I'm afraid so we may never know. Wasn't that how judges used to dress? There's also a character that looks very much like Oliver Cromwell with a clenched fist in the bottom right corner, is he wanting to punch the King or anxious because the trial may make him miss a football match? He's wearing moon boots. Must have been snowing outside. And the poor bloke behind Charles has a splitting headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 "Trial of Charles I" by William Fisk. Same theme different artist. To make this reply relevant to the royalist 'National Anthem' topic, the court really does not look like they're in the mood to sing "God Save the King" to a King guilty of various treasons and mischiefs against the City and County of Bristol and the English people in general........No, they don't look particularly happy do they?Mind you, half of them aren't even paying attention, too busy chatting about what happened on last night's Eastenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 You ought to get out more dear Reverend, like oooop North to Doncaster with us tomorrow. Up the CityGot stuff to do... will be at the gate on 6th. though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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