gater2 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 This might have already been asked, but I am too lazy to look so I'll ask it anyway. Do you think our demise this season is mainly Tinnion's fault for dismantling DW's team and leaving GJ with a bunch of wasters (no one tell me that this isn't true - the players at the moment are simply NOT good enough. The sign of a good team at our level is if they have players who would not be out of their depth in the league above, and NONE of our players would not be out of their depth (apart from maybe Wilkshire, Stewart and Brooker - but thats only at their best, which they most certainly are not at the moment)), or should GJ have sorted that out now and used new tactics to change fortunes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtraveller Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 tinnion for having millen as his no 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 tinnion for having millen as his no 2GJ for having millen as his no 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Tinnion for losing Doherty, Coles, Bell and for recruiting Orr, Carey and Partridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bob Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I don't like to "blame" just 1 person for the clubs position, there's a lot of reasons why we are where we are, the players, management and coaching staff ( past and present ) and the board all must take some responsibilty, but the facts are under Tins we were unbeaten at home in the league and only lost 6 in 27 at home during his tenure, GJ's record home and away is nothing short of awful ( so far ). I'm sure most would agree it's got worse since GJ arrived, too many loans ( in and out ), poor choice of team talks! and 4 or 5 team changes per game don't help.I really hope he can turn things around and save our sinking ship, but I can see no light at the end of this very long tunnel. If we do go down I won't be blaming Tins, GJ knew the squad he had to work with when he took the job, he must of thought he could do a job with what he had, I guess.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemexhants Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 This was done to death over the weekend.Why blame anyone?Yes, it's a mess, but getting behind the team is what matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 tinnion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Wilson - for not playing Lita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Exactly what is the point of this? Tins made mistakes and mis-judgements, as has Johnson. Try reading some of the more intelligent posts that make a number of valid points about our demise without this childish finger-pointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 The same as our last 8 games - No Points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samj100 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Why blame anyone?Yes, it's a mess, but getting behind the team is what matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmansleftboot Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 the board of directors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redphilc Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 This was done to death over the weekend.Why blame anyone?Yes, it's a mess, but getting behind the team is what matters now.Do the players care?From attending the ST launch party tonight and spending time chatting to some of our current "stars" I can tell you I am not so sure. What I am sure about is many of them don't like GJ at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 THE PLAYERS!!! :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronmeister Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I can tell you from what i've heard from players tonight that Johnson is not the fabulous manager we all thought he was a few weeks ago, but I can't really say any more on the matter as i was told in confidence. Just watch out if we go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redphilc Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I can tell you from what i've heard from players tonight that Johnson is not the fabulous manager we all thought he was a few weeks ago, but I can't really say any more on the matter as i was told in confidence. Just watch out if we go down.I heard the same, probably from the same players.The grenade has definatly backfired on GJ but at the end of the day if these players are quick to spout off to me about how much they hate our manager then to be honest I have little respect for them. They don't even know me so why confide in me?Whatever you say about Tommy D, he would run through a brick wall for this club regardless of what differences he had with Tinnion.Some of our current players wouldn't dream of doing that. How I wish we still had Tommy playing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronmeister Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I heard the same, probably from the same players.The grenade has definatly backfired on GJ but at the end of the day if these players are quick to spout off to me about how much they hate our manager then to be honest I have little respect for them. They don't even know me so why confide in me?Whatever you say about Tommy D, he would run through a brick wall for this club regardless of what differences he had with Tinnion.Some of our current players wouldn't dream of doing that. How I wish we still had Tommy playing for us.Strangely, I saw someone talking to Marcus about Tommy Doherty - might well have been you actually - and he said that Tommy still had Bristol City in his heart and wanted to come back.Marcus seemed intruiged, no matter how bad his performances I for one think he has Bristol City's future at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Strangely, I saw someone talking to Marcus about Tommy Doherty - might well have been you actually - and he said that Tommy still had Bristol City in his heart and wanted to come back.Marcus seemed intruiged, no matter how bad his performances I for one think he has Bristol City's future at heart.I don't think there is much more that we can say before this topic is deleted, but I heard the same thing.Two or three players think that their City careers are over, and I'm not talking about our less high profile players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Brightside Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 ##** the t**** who say johnson or tinnion out.....LANSDOWN OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 ##** the t**** who say johnson or tinnion.....LANSDOWN OUT!Thank you for that well thought through, cleverly worded responce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Brightside Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Thank you for that well thought through, cleverly worded responce.that's ok, keep it honest i say. so sorry if that's what i think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Wilson - for not playing Litaspotters badge!!!! mr wilson seems to be being viewed through rose tinted spectacles at present. in my opinion he did an ok job and nothing more at our club considering the resources made avaliable to him. leaving leroy out so often in his last season was a joke and ultimately cost him his job. he is partly to blame for where we are now. but as has previously been said on this thread, we are in dire straights and no amount of witch-hunting will solve this crisis. GJ must be given until at least the middle of next season whether we go down or not. if we are not shaping up well by then, then his position should be called into question, but not now for gods sake. now we need unity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTauntonian Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 GJ for having millen as his no 2Don't see how Millen can be blamed. but hey!The same as our last 8 games - No Points!Yeah but of them were cup games so wasn't possible to gain any points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Brightside Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Hmm.....i changed my mind, i blame the program seller! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nester Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 the (inexperienced) Board. But I've already forgiven them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry Dolman Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Do the players care?From attending the ST launch party tonight and spending time chatting to some of our current "stars" I can tell you I am not so sure. What I am sure about is many of them don't like GJ at all.That quote sums it up really, after talking to a No. of players you can't be sure they care about the club, but they did make it clear they don't like the manager.Funnily enough after the 1st few wins all the players did seem to like Johnson. His natural character is pretty cheery & bubbly. I can't help feeling that a lot of our players don't like being told home truths like get fit, drink less, train harder etc etc. Add to that those that are in the comfort zone.The more I hear of the players, frankly the less I like. I wonder if any other club has had 4 players arrested since the summer. Plus that "alleged" incident on the waterfront which many expected to lead to further arrests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Funnily enough after the 1st few wins all the players did seem to like Johnson. His natural character is pretty cheery & bubbly. I can't help feeling that a lot of our players don't like being told home truths like get fit, drink less, train harder etc etc. Add to that those that are in the comfort zone.if this is in anyway true (and thats a big 'if') then i hope every single player with this kind of attitude gets the boot. they are PROFFESIONAL footballers, and they should act as such. if what GJ asks them to do isn't working, and thats why we are losing matches, fine. he is then responsible. however, if their bad attitude toward their work is effecting their performance then anything the manager (be it tinnion, wilson, GJ or sven GE) is attempting to achive is being undermined. which means they are the root cause of the problem. yes, maybe GJ made mistakes in terms of man management, maybe he was too overbaring too quickly. but can you blame him? i believe it was less than a month after his appointment that three first team players were arrested whilst on a night out. what is he meant to think? these players are, in some cases, paid more in a six week period than many of the fans of the club are paid over the course of a year. should this not be notivation enough to be the best they can for the club who pays them?as i said 'if' the players have issues with 'working' for this football club then let them go. thats what would happen in any other line of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 the board of directorsMy thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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