KnowleUtd City Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It is clear to me that due to Marcus's salary Johnson wants him off the payrole, which I can understand to an extent, however it seems to me that over the last 7-8 weeks he is leaving him out of the side to publicaly humilate him with the hope that if an offer comes in of sorts stewart will take it and leave. to only bring him on at colchester with 5 mins to go at 3-1 down is nothing short of embarrassing and the fact that Bas Savage is starting in his place is a complete joke. The games marcus has played for us (under tinnion) our midfield was a joke, but now it's a bit more balanced and settled he should get a run in the side, what more can he do than score on Tues only to be left on the bench again instead of Savage. I have to say watching Savage play for city makes me cringe when I think of some of the players we have to be proud of over the years. It's a joke. Johnson should be honest with marcus and not bottle the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Johnson should be honest with marcus and not bottle the situation.And precisely how has he 'bottled' it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 And precisely how has he 'bottled' it?perhaps 'bottled it' is the wrong phrase, what i mean is the way he's treating Stewart at the moment is to make him leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsham Ed Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It is clear to me that due to Marcus's salary Johnson wants him off the payrole, which I can understand to an extent, however it seems to me that over the last 7-8 weeks he is leaving him out of the side to publicaly humilate him with the hope that if an offer comes in of sorts stewart will take it and leave. to only bring him on at colchester with 5 mins to go at 3-1 down is nothing short of embarrassing and the fact that Bas Savage is starting in his place is a complete joke. The games marcus has played for us (under tinnion) our midfield was a joke, but now it's a bit more balanced and settled he should get a run in the side, what more can he do than score on Tues only to be left on the bench again instead of Savage. I have to say watching Savage play for city makes me cringe when I think of some of the players we have to be proud of over the years. It's a joke. Johnson should be honest with marcus and not bottle the situation.Well said Sir, totally agree with your comments, I sit in the Atyeo and the group around us can not understand why Savage is playing ahead of Stewart :@ :@ :@ :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Beware the hoardes of Big Bas fans wading in about this - the fact is though opinion between supporters seems to be split - I am in the play Stewart camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Beware the hoardes of Big Bas fans wading in about this - the fact is though opinion between supporters seems to be split - I am in the play Stewart campIt's not that i'm a huge Stewart fan, but he's better than savage and no one can possibly argue that. Anyone who's happy with Bas Savage playing up front for our club should go and support someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 perhaps 'bottled it' is the wrong phrase, what i mean is the way he's treating Stewart at the moment is to make him leave.Maybe he, as the manager, feels he is picking what he feels is his most effective line up and is not partaking in any childish games. I fail to see why he wouldnt pick MS if he thought he would win us matches. However its difficult to see how MS would win us games on the evidence so far this season. I'm neither pro nor anti MS but I can see that Bas's hold up play and attitude are different than MS's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfan Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Stewart is a quality player, no doubt about it, but our team don't play his brand of football. If he doesn't get good service, he won't score will he? Unless of course he's meant to collect it from Basso, run the length of the pitch and slot it in the back of the net all on his own!He has excellent movement, vision and distribution. Definitely a goal scorer, just don't think it's going to happen with us or that it's his fault. Moving up a league to a good team will repair that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It's not that i'm a huge Stewart fan, but he's better than savage and no one can possibly argue that. Anyone who's happy with Bas Savage playing up front for our club should go and support someone else.Alternatively they can behave like a true supporter and support the players whoever they may be, on the basis that they're performing for BCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Marcus should be playing- the side is now gelling, much more solid and creating chances-mStewart would convert a greater proportion than Savage so start him!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon Hater Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Why don't we all for one minute pretend that we don't know what Sterwart's done in his career before joining us?Would you all honestly still be saying he's a quality player? As so far he hasn't impressed me at all.He only has fans on here saying he should play because they know what he's done in the past, he's now past it, so stick with Bas who is doing well, or being a striker in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 yes on what he has done for us would start him ahead of Bas every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Alternatively they can behave like a true supporter and support the players whoever they may be, on the basis that they're performing for BCFC.So what is a true supporter? someone who sits there like a robot and is happy as long as it's wearing red. or someone who follows his team with a passion, and when he sees something which is not right says so. In this case Stewart will score goals, if he is given that faith to do that by the manager. At the end of the day we all want the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon Hater Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Stewart has done nothing but be offside every time we have an attack - fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Stewart has done nothing but be offside every time we have an attack - fact.Because he is so far ahead on thinking, so your saying he wont score goals like Savage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Because he is so far ahead on thinking, so your saying he wont score goals like Savage?This "so far ahead on thinking" argument is absolute pants. If Stewart has got such a fantastic football brain then surely he has got the intelligence to delay his runs by a split second to allow the other players to catch up with his thinking. Can anybody on this forum with an ounce of sense honestly tell me that if we signed Wayne Rooney on loan for the rest of the season he would get caught offside 20 times per game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 This "so far ahead on thinking" argument is absolute pants. If Stewart has got such a fantastic football brain then surely he has got the intelligence to delay his runs by a split second to allow the other players to catch up with his thinking. Can anybody on this forum with an ounce of sense honestly tell me that if we signed Wayne Rooney on loan for the rest of the season he would get caught offside 20 times per game?If some of the players learnt to pass the ball to feet a bit quicker both forwards would benefit. You don't get picked for england for a lack of, thats why Stewart to good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 If some of the players learnt to pass the ball to feet a bit quicker both forwards would benefit. You don't get picked for england for a lack of, thats why Stewart to good for us.But surely if you are a player in a side that does not possess the players with enough ability to see a pass early then you adapt your game to suit. That is what real class players would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 But surely if you are a player in a side that does not possess the players with enough ability to see a pass early then you adapt your game to suit. That is what real class players would do.But these players who have the ability are the ones the younger or lesser player should learn from, but not given the chance because the manager cant cope ie,,Bridges. Sorry Greebo i'm a Stewart fan and not Bambi's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Marcus should be playing- the side is now gelling, much more solid and creating chances-mStewart would convert a greater proportion than Savage so start him!!!!!! Has anyone thought that perhaps the side is gelling, looking much more solid and creating chances because Marcus is not playing! GJ has to make decisions that are best for the team. If that means leaving Marcus out then that is the right decision. As for Stewart leaving, since the poor start to the season I've felt that stewart was going to prove a luxury we can't afford. Put it this way, if Marcus was to leave and with the saving on the wage bill we could afford Hayter and perhaps another very good player ( say strong midfielder) would you still want Marcus to stay and play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 But these players who have the ability are the ones the younger or lesser player should learn from, but not given the chance because the manager cant cope ie,,Bridges. Sorry Greebo i'm a Stewart fan and not Bambi'sI'm with you Brianred, think of some of the forwards city have had over the years, (Taylor, Riley, Galley, goater etc) i'm gutted to see savage starting up front for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 But these players who have the ability are the ones the younger or lesser player should learn from, but not given the chance because the manager cant cope ie,,Bridges. Sorry Greebo i'm a Stewart fan and not Bambi'sI honestly don't take sides over either player. I am a fan of the club, not individual players. I think that Johnson has been right to keep Savage in the side during the unbeaten run on the basis that it is the constant tinkering with the team that has cost us point after point already this season. I would not have been unhappy had Stewart started yesterday and he may well start next week. But I would still have Savage on the bench as he is the type of player who can offer something different should we be a goal down with 20 minutes to go. He can come on and mix things up a bit in a different way to the other forwards we have.If Stewart does start next week I would have one message for him - cut out the badge kissing (did your agent tell you to do that?) and concentrate on getting a couple in the onion bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1cityfan_tucks Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Stewart simply is not a player for this league! Get knocked off the ball to easy, doesnt hold it up! Is offside 9/10. Also what happened to his quality and quantity of goals! He had his chance earlier in the season!He is not the player he use to be!Johnson does not pick him because he does not affect a game!Savage however does, what ever way he does, deceptive and dangle! But he is improving the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Has anyone thought that perhaps the side is gelling, looking much more solid and creating chances because Marcus is not playing! GJ has to make decisions that are best for the team. If that means leaving Marcus out then that is the right decision. As for Stewart leaving, since the poor start to the season I've felt that stewart was going to prove a luxury we can't afford. Put it this way, if Marcus was to leave and with the saving on the wage bill we could afford Hayter and perhaps another very good player ( say strong midfielder) would you still want Marcus to stay and play?GJ makes his decisions which you say are best for the team, we should be scoring twice as many as we are. As you pointed out Marcus is a luxury, but he is twice the player Savage is. So why not use that luxury while you are paying for it. Hayter might not like GJ way and not be the player we thought. Bridges is scoring, people say he's found his level, but Carlisle and ourselves are not that far apart. just another example of GJ decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 GJ makes his decisions which you say are best for the team, we should be scoring twice as many as we are. As you pointed out Marcus is a luxury, but he is twice the player Savage is. So why not use that luxury while you are paying for it. Hayter might not like GJ way and not be the player we thought. Bridges is scoring, people say he's found his level, but Carlisle and ourselves are not that far apart. just another example of GJ decisionsHayter might not like the GJ way!!! Don't you think that whilst negotiating a potential move to a new club the player might have enough sense to find out exactly what the GJ way is? And as for him not being the player we think, I would be very disappointed if City have not watched this player at least a half a dozen times before shelling out money for him. I would like to think that Johnson would know exactly what we are getting. As for Bridges, do you know the actual reason(s) Johnson got rid of him? I don't but as you are 100% certain that Johnson has "done a bad un'" perhaps you could tell me what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steveg Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I just think it's absolutely stupid that people can change their minds so quick,most people on here (and i mean MOST) have said bas deserves to play ahead off marcus.But imo marcus is a proven goal scorer and deserves a chance to justify why we are paying him such a great wage, i know so far he hasn't done much but the service is there now and i think he will bang them in given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hayter might not like the GJ way!!! Don't you think that whilst negotiating a potential move to a new club the player might have enough sense to find out exactly what the GJ way is? And as for him not being the player we think, I would be very disappointed if City have not watched this player at least a half a dozen times before shelling out money for him. I would like to think that Johnson would know exactly what we are getting. As for Bridges, do you know the actual reason(s) Johnson got rid of him? I don't but as you are 100% certain that Johnson has "done a bad un'" perhaps you could tell me what's what.GJ has got one hell of a job to do at City and up till the last few games he has shown a better attitude, Bridges was never given the chance, his face as well as Stewarts doesn't fit. I would have thought that was the reason he left. As for Hayter how do you know he would want to talk to us? All he can see of GJ is where we are in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I just think it's absolutely stupid that people can change their minds so quick,most people on here (and i mean MOST) have said bas deserves to play ahead off marcus.But imo marcus is a proven goal scorer and deserves a chance to justify why we are paying him such a great wage, i know so far he hasn't done much but the service is there now and i think he will bang them in given the chance.I think Bas tries really hard and sometimes looks like he has promise (I don't slag him off when he plays but he does make me laugh at times) Stewart can frustrate but I think he (and we) will score more goals if he plays than if Bas plays and in our position the manager should pick the best player and not the one he hasn't argued with - whatever 3pts on Saturday will be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steveg Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I agree,we desperatly need 3 points sat,so in my eyes stewart needs to play.I am confident that stewart bwill score now that we have the service.Come on gary do whats right and play marcus before we r in a relegation dogfight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianred Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I agree,we desperatly need 3 points sat,so in my eyes stewart needs to play.I am confident that stewart bwill score now that we have the service.Come on gary do whats right and play marcus before we r in a relegation dogfight.Heres to 3 points next week, a marcus and brooker double, and thanks for a decent discussion. At the end of the day we all want the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steveg Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 exactly we all want this club to be in the division above ,although that wont happen this season i think gj and sl want that as well.On another no0te i do think that the ticket prices are a tad on the dear side for this league and think we would get a better gate if they were lower,but in the long run i do think we have the right man in charge!!!!Anyone disagree???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Rather have Gilly back than Stewpot myself he is not the saviour most thought he was at the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
city1uk Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 But Gilly has only made the bench at Cheltenham. IMO I don't think he's coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest twaters Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Ive read half way down this topic and got fed up. All i want to say is Stewart IN. Bas has done fine and i think he will be a great player coming on for the last 10 minutes when were 1-0 down. Stewart has done enough in my opinion to warrent a starting place. His form early on wasnt great but that could be said about alot of our players. However he has actually scored a few goals for us in a campaign where goalscorers are lacking. Get him on and give him a chance Johnson. I think Johnson forms a opinion too quick on players and hasnt been fair on a few of our players, (Bridges, Madjo, Partridge, possibly Gillespie) Its time you gave some players (Stewart) a chance and let your pride take a little knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest revkev Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Maybe he, as the manager, feels he is picking what he feels is his most effective line up and is not partaking in any childish games. I fail to see why he wouldnt pick MS if he thought he would win us matches. However its difficult to see how MS would win us games on the evidence so far this season. I'm neither pro nor anti MS but I can see that Bas's hold up play and attitude are different than MS's.The only thing Bas held up yesterday was his shorts. He was awful Stewart did more in 25 minutes to justify a recall to the starting line up next week than Savage managed for an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It's not that i'm a huge Stewart fan, but he's better than savage and no one can possibly argue that. Anyone who's happy with Bas Savage playing up front for our club should go and support someone else.Alternatively they can behave like a true supporter and support the players whoever they may be, on the basis that they're performing for BCFC.So what is a true supporter? someone who sits there like a robot and is happy as long as it's wearing red. or someone who follows his team with a passion, and when he sees something which is not right says so. In this case Stewart will score goals, if he is given that faith to do that by the manager. At the end of the day we all want the same.Apparently, a true supporter is somebody who goes and supports somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Baring injuries personally I don't think we'll see Marcus starting another game for City, once we sign Hayter or another target that he will be 4th choice behind big Bas as well. Marcus was worth the risk but it hasn't come off for one reason of another. Its not logical to have a man earning say 4/ 5 K sitting on the bench, he is luxury and a big luxury at 33.Currently I'm happy to see Bas in the side, not because I think he's good player (though I think he has potential that warrants a longer look) but because Stevie Brooker the best player in the club, seems to play better in tandem with Bas, big Bas takes more of the knocks and leaves more space for our number one striker to exploit, I would love and prefer this also to be the case with Marcus but I feel it would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepers Ball Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It doesnt surprise me one bit about Johnson.He may be Football Manager but no way is he a Man Manager.I'm sorry guys but I don't rate the bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotusman Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 My hope is that G.J. is the manager we have craved for years.A degree of consolidation with an optimistic outlook is our goal this season.Hopefully he can overcome his thorpedian viewpoint and recognise the importance of getting the very best out of players rather than become fixated on their salaries.Reality dictates that in todays game marquis players will earn wages greater than the manager,this in no way diminishes the role of the manager and his ultimate responsible of extracting the best from the player.Should we be as succesful as we all hope then it is essential he over-come this dimension of management for the higher we climb dictates we will see more and more similar situations."thorpedian" meaning, loss of true perspective by fans,actual footballing values becoming confused by too much knowledge of salary details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I'm with you Brianred, think of some of the forwards city have had over the years, (Taylor, Riley, Galley, goater etc) i'm gutted to see savage starting up front for us.Roger that Knowle SAD CABBAGE awful, MARCUS class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bransonmo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 But Gilly has only made the bench at Cheltenham. IMO I don't think he's coming back Wardie is not going to have Gillespie starting every game on loan. If he scores or performs too well, it could forces Gillespie's price up, or have GJ bring him back to City. By the way Gillespie has scored 5 goals from 6 starts with Cheltenham, and 10 from 13 starts including last season. Reason enough for Wardie to want him under wraps, until Feb 1st. We have him under contract until 2007 [ city profiles ], so he must have some value if Cheltenham want him badly enough . How much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't want to get involved in player selection politics. However, remember that Marcus Stewart always seems to find time to encourage and talk to young City supporters from the touch line before away games. Marcus Stewart had his piccie taken with quite a few young lads before the Blackpool game, here's one of those piccies as proof........Wouldnt disagree with That Mr Goblin, but the fact is: What has Marcus ever done for us, other than persuade more su....sorry season ticket holders to renew their tickets.Frankly I'd rather have Leapy, or Lee Miller than Marcus....... Beleive me to say that about Leapy............. Nice guys don't always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest budbcfc Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 It's not that i'm a huge Stewart fan, but he's better than savage and no one can possibly argue that. Anyone who's happy with Bas Savage playing up front for our club should go and support someone else.what a very stupid and juvenile comment. so every city fan who supports an individual player who you don't like should support another team. what a silly comment. i will still support city and cheer on bas thank you.support someone else indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I just wish things would work out better for Marcus Stewart now he's at BCFC, can't fault Mr Stewart's attitude with regard to him pleasing the young supporters with autographs and photo opportunities. He's a great ambassador for this club amongst the younger generation.Unfortunately Red Goblin, we all know he has to do a little bit more than be nice to the kids to justify his £5K weekly salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 what a very stupid and juvenile comment. so every city fan who supports an individual player who you don't like should support another team. what a silly comment. i will still support city and cheer on bas thank you.support someone else indeed. i'll always support city always have always will, just not one of those blokes who will gladly accept gash players representing the club like you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 i'll always support city always have always will, just not one of those blokes who will gladly accept gash players representing the club like you are.Why not? We've been putting up with truck loads of "gash" players for the last 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowleUtd City Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Why not? We've been putting up with truck loads of "gash" players for the last 25 years.I know Greebo....we've got a life sentance! still, you can't give up on em though! it just winds me up seeing clubs like Bolton, Leicester, Fulham, West Brom, Charlton etc, all clubs we've all seen us play and beat, and at some point they've all pushed on and had success of sorts. I'm gutted mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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