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CiderHider

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Looks bad, But he got 41 days to recover but it depends how bad it is. Lets just hope for the best.

Who could replace him though? Beattie? Ashton etc etc

Well i'm just praying for him, this is such bad news. a broken foot would put him out, it takes 6 weeks to recover, 40 days with the best Drs and specialist will not been good enough.

Oh and noone could replace him, Englands odds of winning the World cup and just taken a turn. :(

Ahh, just heard it might not be as bad as they thought, omg! i hope so :pray::englandsmile4wf:

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Well i'm just praying for him, this is such bad news. a broken foot would put him out, it takes 6 weeks to recover, 40 days with the best Drs and specialist will not been good enough.

Oh and noone could replace him, Englands odds of winning the World cup and just taken a turn. :(

Ahh, just heard it might not be as bad as they thought, omg! i hope so :pray::englandsmile4wf:

Hopefully it's not that bad, Hopefully just bad brusing or something, But I would still take him to the world cup. He is young and youngsters are fast healers so I would take him along as he could be ready by the last group game.

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What made me laugh was was the Chelsea fans giving it "you fat b~~~~~d" to Wayne and booing him during the first half and then seeing them crap themselves when he was stretchered off. Sums up the average fan in this country really. And the press, having spent the last two years trying to destroy the kid, will now be praying tonight that he's ok.

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Out for at least 6weeks so its quite bad.Also ill like to add no one could replace him.

Well no no one could replace him, What I mean is who could take his place if he can't make it?

I think Sven will however still take him just like he did with Becks I think or was it Owen :dunno:

But what ever player it was they didn't have a good tournement as he was unfit so that's something for Sven to think about.

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The diagnosis says 6 weeks,but could be 10 days quicker depending on how quick his foot heals.Its the fourth bone which if you were to break one in the foot its the quickest one to heal.

The business end of the World Cup starts in 8 weeks,Rooney is a naturally fit lad so will be 100% very quickly.

I expect to see Rooney playing at the World Cup but will probably miss the group games.

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I would play Gerrard in the hole with Carrick and Lampard centre.

If Rooney is fit then Beckham has to be dropped with Gerrard on the right with Carrick and Lampard in the centre.Lampard and Gerrard cannot play together in the centre that has been seen too many times and is blatently obvious.Gerrard is better than Beckham at everything concerning the game apart from selling shirts.

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Just saw on the Preston game that one of their strikers (name eludes me) had the same injury and is back playing today after 6 weeks and 5 days which would put Rooney out of just the first game. Presuming Rooney is also a fitter player in general and will have the best care possible he will be at the world cup no worries but as posted, would probably miss the group stages as a precaution.

Press blowing things out of proportion again (what a surprise!)

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Rooney broke a different bone last time.The bone he broke this time is a quicker one to heal 6 weeks is about right and as said on the thread may miss the group games as England will walk the group anyway.

That gives Rooney 8 weeks,no sweat Rooney will play in the World up there is no doubt about that.

Fowler has never been International class and a 20% fit Rooney would be a better bet than a player who`s first touch at International level is appalling.

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I would play Gerrard in the hole with Carrick and Lampard centre.

If Rooney is fit then Beckham has to be dropped with Gerrard on the right with Carrick and Lampard in the centre.Lampard and Gerrard cannot play together in the centre that has been seen too many times and is blatently obvious.Gerrard is better than Beckham at everything concerning the game apart from selling shirts.

I'd agree, except that I'd play Beckham in the middle with Lampard, and Wright-Phillips on the right.

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What no Carrick? :dunno:

Carrick is the best holding player England have by miles. Beckham offers England nothing except sponsorship to put him in the centre takes away his only asset his crossing.

If everyone is fit Beckham wouldn`t get in my starting line up as he isn`t as good as the other players.

With everyone fit I would have Carrick in the centre with Lampard with Gerrard on the right and Cole on the left.Gerrard and Lampard cannot play together in the centre that is obvious Lampard hinders Gerrard as Lampard is an inferior player to Gerrard.

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What no Carrick? :dunno:

Carrick is the best holding player England have by miles. Beckham offers England nothing except sponsorship to put him in the centre takes away his only asset his crossing.

If everyone is fit Beckham wouldn`t get in my starting line up as he isn`t as good as the other players.

With everyone fit I would have Carrick in the centre with Lampard with Gerrard on the right and Cole on the left.Gerrard and Lampard cannot play together in the centre that is obvious Lampard hinders Gerrard as Lampard is an inferior player to Gerrard.

You keep repeating this and it keeps on making no sense. Carrick has had a decent season but he's far from a starting place. Playing the best central midfielder in the world on the right is pointless. Beckham offers excellent passing, set pieces and the best crossing in the world, as well as a superb work rate.

Lampard and Gerrard can play in the centre just fine so long as the holding role is not forced on one of them, and in a 442 there's no need for it to be.

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Sir Alex also doubted that Chelsea would beat Bolton.

Sir Alex is not a doctor or a medical expert so your point being?

The experts say Rooney will be fit for the knockout stages of the World Cup with ease I will go with their opinion thanks.

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You keep repeating this and it keeps on making no sense. Carrick has had a decent season but he's far from a starting place. Playing the best central midfielder in the world on the right is pointless. Beckham offers excellent passing, set pieces and the best crossing in the world, as well as a superb work rate.

Lampard and Gerrard can play in the centre just fine so long as the holding role is not forced on one of them, and in a 442 there's no need for it to be.

beckham does offer great passing, but to be honest, the england team has been focued around him ever since sven took over, and we aint won anything, granted we won nothing before it either but were supposed to have the best squad since 66 (i think that's rubbish as after our first 11, we're very poor),

what has beckham done in the last few tournaments,

Euro 04 - Bugger all and missed 2 pens.

WC 02 - people say he wernt fit, well if he wernt fit then why did he go??

play him on the right, or if i'm totally honest, get rid of him, put Gerrard on the right and put Parker alongside Lampard.

Course now what with Rooney and owen being injured and may not go, my england formation looks like this

Crouch

Gerrard

J Cole Parker Lampard Beckham

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play him on the right, or if i'm totally honest, get rid of him, put Gerrard on the right and put Parker alongside Lampard.

When I said playing the best central midfielder in the world on the right was pointless I meant Gerrard. I'd play Beckham on the right and have Aaron Lennon as his backup.

Beckham is one of the few players that can take a game by the scruff of the neck and through sheer will turn it into a result, like against Greece. Yeah he doesn't have pace or the ability to go past people but I think he offers more than enough. He's also been in excellent form for Real.

Without Rooney I'd go for:

.....................Owen..........................................

.................................Cole...............................

Downing ......Lampard.......Gerrard .......Beckham

Cole............Terry..........Ferdinand............Neville

........................Robinson...................................

I think there's enough goals in that side from the midfield, and Joe Cole is the closest thing we have to Rooney style wise. Playing 4-4-1-1 should also give both Gerrard and Lampard the opportunity to get forward. It wouldn't be exciting but it ought to be enough to grind out the group games.

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Sir Alex also doubted that Chelsea would beat Bolton.

Sir Alex is not a doctor or a medical expert so your point being?

The experts say Rooney will be fit for the knockout stages of the World Cup with ease I will go with their opinion thanks.

:dunno: Just passing on what I heard pal. I think it's kinda relevant seeing as Ferguson will know a darn sight more about it than you or I.

It's up to you who you believe, but I'll go along with the fresh information.

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beckham does offer great passing, but to be honest, the england team has been focued around him ever since sven took over, and we aint won anything, granted we won nothing before it either but were supposed to have the best squad since 66 (i think that's rubbish as after our first 11, we're very poor),

what has beckham done in the last few tournaments,

Euro 04 - Bugger all and missed 2 pens.

WC 02 - people say he wernt fit, well if he wernt fit then why did he go??

play him on the right, or if i'm totally honest, get rid of him, put Gerrard on the right and put Parker alongside Lampard.

Course now what with Rooney and owen being injured and may not go, my england formation looks like this

Crouch

Gerrard

J Cole Parker Lampard Beckham

Defies belief it really does.

Scott Parker who is he? has he ever looked like an International???? Michael Carrick is a better player than Parker in every single department and he has done it in an England shirt someting Parker has never done.

Carrick would be in my England starting 11 everytime because he is proven quality and has done it at International level.

Parker has never even played at full International level and is miles away from being fit for the tournament and even if he was fit his chances of being picked are zero because he is unproven and nowhere near as good as carrick.

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Carrick would be in my England starting 11 everytime because he is proven quality and has done it at International level.

Parker has never even played at full International level and is miles away from being fit for the tournament and even if he was fit his chances of being picked are zero because he is unproven and nowhere near as good as carrick.

Oh come on, Carrick has 5 caps (spread over 5 years), Parker has 2. All 7 games were friendlies so don't start with the "has done it" nonsense. How does anyone know if Carrick can do it in a competitive international. He's only started being consistant in the domestic game for 6 months, Parker has a far better pedigree in that respect. A couple of years back West Ham got relegated with Carrick being a major player, whilst Parker helped a far less talented Charlton side to a respectable finish. Carrick looked promising at West Ham when Lampard was alongside him, but looked awful for Spurs until Davids turned up. Basically he's salad.

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Defies belief it really does.

Scott Parker who is he? has he ever looked like an International???? Michael Carrick is a better player than Parker in every single department and he has done it in an England shirt someting Parker has never done.

Carrick would be in my England starting 11 everytime because he is proven quality and has done it at International level.

Parker has never even played at full International level and is miles away from being fit for the tournament and even if he was fit his chances of being picked are zero because he is unproven and nowhere near as good as carrick.

Bull5hi7. How does it defy belief??? Carrick has ran about 200 yards all season and wont pass it more than 15 yards unless it goes sideways or backwards, Parker runs about like a headless chicken and still manages to play the defensive midfield role, and his passing ability is good. I suppose Carrick does take the corners for spurs. :doh:

Parker has been superb for Newcaslte this season, only recent injuries and playing with players who are crap would make people think any different. Put Parker in the Spurs team and Carrick in the Newcastle team, then you'd see who more effective Parker is.

and to agree with my right-hounerable friend the tactical genius, Carrick has only come to reasonable form in the last season, Parker did it for Charlton, would have done it for Chelsea if he got played and is doing it again for Newcastle.

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Unfortunately Greece was 4 and a half years ago. I'm struggling to think of any game he has dominated since.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1765009,00.html gives a good indication that these things usually take longer than expected. even if he does play, it is highly unlikely that he will be in any shape to be effective.

Take your point, but he's been more consistent for his club this season than the other alternatives on the right, unless you consider playing Gerrard there which would just be a waste. My theory with Beckham is that he's done pretty much everything else - this tournament is the culmination of his career and I doubt he will be found wanting.

Given the choice between Beckham on the right and Gerrard in the middle or Gerrard on the right and Carrick in the middle as advocated by ZFC I'd pick the former every time - and I've no idea why anyone else wouldn't.

Defies belief it really does.

Scott Parker who is he? has he ever looked like an International???? Michael Carrick is a better player than Parker in every single department and he has done it in an England shirt someting Parker has never done.

Carrick would be in my England starting 11 everytime because he is proven quality and has done it at International level.

Parker has never even played at full International level and is miles away from being fit for the tournament and even if he was fit his chances of being picked are zero because he is unproven and nowhere near as good as carrick.

Carrick is just starting to be a decent player in the Premiership. England international quality he is not yet and may never be. At an international level he's far from proven and he's not been terribly convincing in previous caps either. I fail to see why you worship him, Spurs fan much?

Other players like for example Reo-Coker, Parker, and Nolan have just as good a claim.

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