bucksred Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 The ManUre player who was on loan to Watfart, and died in a car smash, on the opening day of the season, was apparantly twice the legal limit, and hadnt been to sleep for almost 24 hours. Bear with me a sec for the link- if a player for one of the worlds top sides, even if he was a youth team player, can be that p***** and drive a car, what chances of our players worse performances being down to excess alcohol. For all Manures faults team discipline will be pretty strict, and their players will be much more professional, than SOME players at our level. I wonder if this expains some of our, and Plymuff, QPR etc performances below par?? I hear the occasional story of player x's(Sometimes named, sometimes not) antics, some City ones too over the years, not just Jacki! Wonder what DW's stance is on this, and what y'all think. I like a bevvy or two, but there is a time and a place, and never whhile driving, or working with machinery(Not a dig at this poor guy by the way) What alcohol checks if any do any of you go through. Personally I get Random Drugs tests, and watched for excessive alcohol intake in my job, but thats it. Over to everyone for discussion.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N1 Jim Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 What do u do to get random drug tests? The problem with drug testing is that most drugs are excreted from the body within 24 hrs apart from cannabis if u r testing someones urine. In America some firms test peoples hair as substances stay for a longer time in hair follicles. This has been challenged in court as to whether this can be a definite proof of drug usage. When u consider that 85-90% of bank notes have traces of cocaine and the freak results that drug testing kits can give there is limited use to such testing. We all know that many people use drugs and that is just as likely to include footballers binmen nurses and policeman. All the clubs or any organisation can do is give education and offer support if there is a problem with substance misuse. That also includes alcohol and it is sad if that is true about the young Man U player but the same as it would be for anyone. I wonder how truly great Jacki would have been if he had looked after himself. I doubt if he would have been warming the bench at Ashton Gate. I am a psychiatric nurse and specialise in forensic/substance misuse. All you can do is give the information and motivation to make choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 An observed p*** test, traces and you are history.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 For all Manures faults team discipline will be pretty strict, and their players will be much more professional, than SOME players at our level. I wonder if this expains some of our, and Plymuff, QPR etc performances below par?? I hear the occasional story of player x's(Sometimes named, sometimes not) antics, some City ones too over the years, not just Jacki! It sounds to me as though you are comparing Man. Utds players (I wont call them Manure when we're discussing the death of one of their players) to the likes of ours, Plymouths and QPRs. Footballers from all levels will enjoy going out and getting ######, but I think it is an insult to our management team to suggest that Bristol City players are more likely to be affected by this than any premiership club, not just United. We are as professional in our approach to matches as any other club, i'm sure, but the fact that we are second division clubs naturally mean that we are not as talented as United and the like. Therefore, substandard performances come more readily, and will have nothing to do with drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre_The_Giant Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Many of us will have seen City players p1zzed up in town or smoking or generally up to no good in public, but to my mind ALL of the players observe the strict curfew before games, and so they can be commended for a professional attitude. BS4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc seattle Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Random surprise testing would probably work. Show up at a random training and say players X,Y,Z pee in this cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 It sounds to me as though you are comparing Man. Utds players (I wont call them Manure when we're discussing the death of one of their players) to the likes of ours, Plymouths and QPRs. Footballers from all levels will enjoy going out and getting ######, but I think it is an insult to our management team to suggest that Bristol City players are more likely to be affected by this than any premiership club, not just United. We are as professional in our approach to matches as any other club, i'm sure, but the fact that we are second division clubs naturally mean that we are not as talented as United and the like. Therefore, substandard performances come more readily, and will have nothing to do with drink. Er, no, but there is a valid point in this: Professional players at all levels shouldnt indulge to excess. And yes I guess there is a comparison in players, Quite a few of ours, and QPR, and a few Plymuff have expectations of playing at a higher level, and the three clubs also have an expectation to do so as well. ManUre are highly concious of bad publicity, because of their high profile,more than we and other Div 2 sides are, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt be either. Its also self evident we are not as talented as Manure cos we are English League Div 2, and they are 3rd in the English Premiership, and in the knockout stages of the Champions League, or is that not self evident enough for you? Van Nistelrooy signs for City, yeah dream on mate- I've been a Cider-Red for almost 30 years and er no we aint going to get that sort of player, nice dream though! With lesser publicity machines comes less pressure to conform. also players who play at this level are young guns hoping to make the step up, or journeymen, or those who couldt quite make it, due to lack of talent, personal problems- temperament, alcohol, poor attitudes to training, managers etc. So yeah its a fair cop in general. How many Prem teams would stick with under-performing players for long?. sorry reckon my comments do have credibility in comparing the two levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 No one deserves to die for being twice the legal drink drive limit. The crowd I used to hang around with, almost 20 years ago, used to often be probably 4 times over the drink limit and ride high power motorbikes and we're all still around to tell the tale!!!!! Them were the days of ye olde Granary Up the City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy g Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Of course you don't deserve to die for being twice over the drink drive limit, but at the end of the day, this young footballer has no-one to blame by himself. He'd had no sleep for 24 hours, he was twice over the drink-drive limit, he was doing 120mph, weaving between lanes without indicating in the fog, with no fog-lights on. Talented footballer or not, if you're going to take risks like that, you have to accept you might end up killing yourself or someone else. And I don't think theres anything 'tragic' about his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Of course you don't deserve to die for being twice over the drink drive limit, but at the end of the day, this young footballer has no-one to blame by himself. He'd had no sleep for 24 hours, he was twice over the drink-drive limit, he was doing 120mph, weaving between lanes without indicating in the fog, with no fog-lights on. Talented footballer or not, if you're going to take risks like that, you have to accept you might end up killing yourself or someone else. And I don't think theres anything 'tragic' about his death. Seems to me that he may of committed suicide. Just twice the drink limit, or the equivalent of 3-4 pints of beer in the average build of person, aint enough to consciously make you want to drive at 120mph in fog. I might be wrong but something does not seem quite right about this car 'accident'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy g Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Yep, its possible he COULD have been suicidal. But its also possible he was just being an idiot. He wouldn't be the first footballer to drive around recklessly with little consideration for anyone else. And there are plenty of people out there driving about at break-neck speeds who AREN'T suicidal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA8 RED Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 :Party3: Back in the 70's alot of the city side had a connection with Burnham on sea, They regularly used to drink in my local,on more than one occasion on a friday night they would shall we say be quite merry,this before a first division game, Hopefully, I would like to think this would not happen now :Party12: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 :Party3: Back in the 70's alot of the city side had a connection with Burnham on sea, They regularly used to drink in my local,on more than one occasion on a friday night they would shall we say be quite merry,this before a first division game, Hopefully, I would like to think this would not happen now :Party12: Drinking heavily and driving is not recommended especially remembering that Adge Cutler died when he lost control of his sports car 30 years ago. I seem to remember someone saying he was well cidered that fatefull evening. A very sad loss for BCFC and the West Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Times have changed - plenty of times 35 years ago I was not fit to drive but I did but then I wasn't driving at 120mph, bl##dy hell, my car wouldn't do half that flat out downhill with the wind behind me. Now I drink to excess and love driving but never mix the two - Saturday I am driving to Cornwall so will not have much on Friday so I am ok early Saturday, get there about 10.30am, put the car away and then have a couple of days where I need not worry about the car so a pub lunch and a good dinner both ably supported by G&T's and wine then nothing on Monday 'till the car is safely back in the garage. Only good thing about the accident is as far as I know, only he died and took no innocents with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 No one deserves to die for being twice the legal drink drive limit. The crowd I used to hang around with, almost 20 years ago, used to often be probably 4 times over the drink limit and ride high power motorbikes and we're all still around to tell the tale!!!!! Them were the days of ye olde Granary Up the City ###### Red Goblin, they were the days, the Granary rocked, and the music and bikes! One of the few places bikers and footy fans got on in them days. Shame City went tits at the height of all them times. Being p***** was occupational then, but not if ya rode, those wicked handling bikes would have ya just like that. different days, different atitudes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 ###### Red Goblin, they were the days, the Granary rocked, and the music and bikes! One of the few places bikers and footy fans got on in them days. Shame City went tits at the height of all them times. Being p***** was occupational then, but not if ya rode, those wicked handling bikes would have ya just like that. different days, different atitudes too. The worst bike to be on when p*ssed and when the road was wet was the 750cc Suzuki 2 stroke. I think it was known as 'the kettle' the power band cut in at around 2000rpm and the back wheel would not grip due to the sheer torque - lethal. Most of the lads that drank in the Granary were, and still are, staunch City. Those were good times. I see very few bikes in Bristol these days compared to 20 odd years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 You're right there Goblin. Everyone seemed to have a bike in the late 70's/early 80's. We used to go up Tiffany's, the Dug Out, The Granary etc. and think nothing of roaring home at the end of the night. City scarf on all the time as well, which was the fashion. If you were at traffic lights with a gashead with his scarf on you had to try and burn him off, no question. It was carnage as well though with someone in the paper just about every week being killed it seemed. One time we were on a bus on the Downs and a bloke with a City scarf trailing behind him in the wind overtook us at high speed only for a car to pull out from a junction and hit him side on. He was in a hell of a state and seeing him certainly brought me to my senses. It was the City scarf more than anything that brought it home that it could just as well have been me. I remember the queues for handing in your helmet in the police terrapin outside the East End as well, don't see that these days either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 You're right there Goblin. Everyone seemed to have a bike in the late 70's/early 80's. We used to go up Tiffany's, the Dug Out, The Granary etc. and think nothing of roaring home at the end of the night. City scarf on all the time as well, which was the fashion. If you were at traffic lights with a gashead with his scarf on you had to try and burn him off, no question. It was carnage as well though with someone in the paper just about every week being killed it seemed. One time we were on a bus on the Downs and a bloke with a City scarf trailing behind him in the wind overtook us at high speed only for a car to pull out from a junction and hit him side on. He was in a hell of a state and seeing him certainly brought me to my senses. It was the City scarf more than anything that brought it home that it could just as well have been me. I remember the queues for handing in your helmet in the police terrapin outside the East End as well, don't see that these days either. Always a quick way to wise up then, when you see a Red n white scarf near an RTA involving bikes. Twas almost always RD-LC's & X7's as I remember although I remember early Z750's being evil bitches to ride (Stopped me drinkin & ridin I'll tell ya!) Always loads of guys gettin their lids back after games, wonder where they all are, there are so few bikes seen these days, except your local bypass, where they pull stunts like this player, doing a ton-twenty weaving from lane to lane. all these old places, aint stopped in Briz fer years, what are they these days, and any bike freindly pubs any more-used to be the Mardyke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 . We are as professional in our approach to matches as any other club, i'm sure, but the fact that we are second division clubs naturally mean that we are not as talented as United and the like. Therefore, substandard performances come more readily, and will have nothing to do with drink. Bucks Red, I think you'll find it was me who pointed out to you that we are not as talented as Man U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted March 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Bucks Red, I think you'll find it was me who pointed out to you that we are not as talented as Man U. Ooops!! Sorry, looking at it again, Consider me b****** sorry not reading the post throughly. But hopefully our players are professional in their lives, it aint always been the case in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red under the bed Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Yes I agree about the lack of motorcycles at Ashton Gate. I still ride mine and have been for 20 odd years, its an easy way to beat the traffic, the parking is easy and you get home a lot quicker. My son or daughter normally rides on the back and so hopefully the trend will continue for a few years yet !. The helmet compound normally has about half a dozen in it. Its a shame because if more people used motorcycles then the congestion would be less. Another good point is that the motorcycle clothing keeps you warm whilst watching the match !!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 I still ride mine and have been for 20 odd years, its an easy way to beat the traffic, the parking is easy and you get home a lot quicker. ....I haven't had a motorbike for years but am considering getting one again to beat the traffic. Perhaps BCFC could encourage more people to ride motorbikes and pushbikes to Ashton Gate by giving a discount on admission. This would certainly help alleviate car parking and congestion problems on match days Up the City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Perhaps BCFC could encourage more people to ride motorbikes and pushbikes to Ashton Gate by giving a discount on admission. This would certainly help alleviate car parking and congestion problems on match days They do, they don't charge for parking but do for cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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