leader Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 said if it was me and a few mates, just ad a fight outside the ground nicked, 2 weeks inside . and welcome back lads i think not. remember the rovers game at ours scum our fans were called , but the players aint ,as they say yer avein a laugh. before you lot start I'm 100%red through n through more than the board me thinks . i rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 i see where your coming from but the lads got caught up in a fight in a club with bouncers andit was hardly a pre-arranged punch up that is tried by some week in week out,different circumstances..but yeah they won't get passports taken from them and not allowed to go towatch England abroad or get a life time ban from ashton gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 said if it was me and a few mates, just ad a fight outside the ground nicked, 2 weeks inside . and welcome back lads i think not. remember the rovers game at ours scum our fans were called , but the players aint ,as they say yer avein a laugh. before you lot start I'm 100%red through n through more than the board me thinks . i rest my case.To compare what the players did, given that three of them were sticking up for their mate, to 200 fans invading the pitch to give Holloway and one or two other Rovers players the beating of their lives (and who knows whether it would have stopped at a beating) if they had been caught seems slightly bizarre to me. So yes, those fans were scum and if you were one of them then too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leader Posted September 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 sorry to rant on but.....,it seams a tad unfair on sum of the lads on the terraceing or was. rule 4 one rule 4 another ..... they have let me down big time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leader Posted September 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 To compare what the players did, given that three of them were sticking up for their mate, to 200 fans invading the pitch to give Holloway and one or two other Rovers players the beating of their lives (and who knows whether it would have stopped at a beating) if they had been caught seems slightly bizarre to me. So yes, those fans were scum and if you were one of them then too bad.I'm sorry but i don't think you got my drift fella.theres fighting n theres fighting same were ever you go ta ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 sorry to rant on but.....,it seams a tad unfair on sum of the lads on the terraceing or was. rule 4 one rule 4 another ..... they have let me down big time .How many people have actually got locked up for violence on the terrace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I'm sorry, but am I the only one here who just doesn't have a clue what this thread is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellyred Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Is it just me that doesn't understand what is being said by leader? I'm worried I might be going insane..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 How many people have actually got locked up for violence on the terrace?This many......http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2006-07-19a.82920.hHowever there has been a good point made abut falling education standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I'm sorry, but am I the only one here who just doesn't have a clue what this thread is about?i think the point is:lads (fans) who fight at football grounds or around football grounds and get prison or caught doing it are not allowed or welcomed back to ashton gate but players who fight in clubs and pubs are welcomed and not banned, sacked etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 This many......http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2006-07-19a.82920.hHowever there has been a good point made abut falling education standardsShows arrests and banning orders, not prison time.I would be willing to bet that hardly any of those incidents resulted in a fan doing bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The players are employed by the club and are stupidly high wages and contracts. However if they fail a drugs test they are ripe for dismissal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Shows arrests and banning orders, not prison time.I would be willing to bet that hardly any of those incidents resulted in a fan doing bird.i know a lad got prison for going to hull and he was in breech of a banning orderand as he was spotted in the ground by bristol ob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 i know a lad got prison for going to hull and he was in breech of a banning orderand as he was spotted in the ground by bristol ob.Presumably he didn't get prison time for whatever got him the banning order though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Presumably he didn't get prison time for whatever got him the banning order though?tiz true but police can try and ban you know if your even spotted with so calledknown trouble lads, stupid i know, they try it on in a civil court, a few got this trying to go and watchEngland in the world cup, they try the association thing, but the lad in their eyes had previuosand therefore knew he was banned and thought he was up to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 tiz true but police can try and ban you know if your even spotted with so calledknown trouble lads, stupid i know, they try it on in a civil court, a few got this trying to go and watchEngland in the world cup, they try the association thing, but the lad in their eyes had previuosand therefore knew he was banned and thought he was up to something.I don't disagree with you, the point I'm making is that although fans fighting would get a much harsher response from the club than Brooker etc did - the players got a much harsher response from the justice system than the fans would. Swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I don't disagree with you, the point I'm making is that although fans fighting would get a much harsher response from the club than Brooker etc did - the players got a much harsher response from the justice system than the fans would. Swings and roundabouts.true.yep, Swings and roundabouts but in court it's all about circumstances etc, and one magistrateon one day might give you less than another magistrate on another day for the same offence,the mood of a magistrate does come in to as well and how you conduct yourself in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I remember Jamie Carragher throwing a coin at someone in the crowd a few years ago. Think it hit a young girl in the crowd. I remember saying at the time that the police should have banned him from football grounds, in the same way that they would have done a supporter caught on CCTV doing the same thing.Consistency is all that's required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I remember Jamie Carragher throwing a coin at someone in the crowd a few years ago. Think it hit a young girl in the crowd. I remember saying at the time that the police should have banned him from football grounds, in the same way that they would have done a supporter caught on CCTV doing the same thing.Consistency is all that's required.Yes but where do you draw the line? Remember when Gerrard Lavin kicked the ball in frustration at Reading and broke someones wrist? He got a lengthy ban for that. Did he mean to kick it at them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Yes but where do you draw the line? Remember when Gerrard Lavin kicked the ball in frustration at Reading and broke someones wrist? He got a lengthy ban for that. Did he mean to kick it at them?Throwing a coin is slightly worse, although I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The main difference being with Lavin, Carriger, Cantona and many others is that they were on the pitch representing their clubs at the time, 'on duty' so to speak.Our 4 were having a night out in their own time, just like you or I might do. Our employers are not responsible for our actions out of hours. Granted we have a duty, for example, not get caught drink driving or we could be sacked for being unable to do our jobs. I know footballers have a certain duty as they are high profile in the public eye, but I'm sure it was because of that they recieved such sentences anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 14, 2006 Admin Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 said if it was me and a few mates, just ad a fight outside the ground nicked, 2 weeks inside . and welcome back lads i think not. remember the rovers game at ours scum our fans were called , but the players aint ,as they say yer avein a laugh. before you lot start I'm 100%red through n through more than the board me thinks . i rest my case.To be fair, if you or I got roudy at a nightclub and ended up doing 2 weeks bird because of it I doubt we'd be banned from the Gate upon our release.Had Brooker & Orr's jail time been down to them having running battles with the OB or opposing players during a game I suspect their treatment would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I don't disagree with you, the point I'm making is that although fans fighting would get a much harsher response from the club than Brooker etc did - the players got a much harsher response from the justice system than the fans would. Swings and roundabouts. There's quite a list of City fans being sent to prison for football related violence in the last ten years, and for considerably longer than 2 weeks. Not even counting "the" Rovers match, off the top of my head I can remember reading of City fans being jailed after incidents at West Brom (A), Stoke (H), Sheffield Weds. (A), Hull (A). There may well be others. The most common sentence was 6 months inside although two fans, in seperate incidents, got 2 years. All these incidents, naturally, got wide coverage in the local media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger22 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I'm sorry, but am I the only one here who just doesn't have a clue what this thread is about?mmmwhahaha, l was thinking the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Eaten Pillow Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 There's quite a list of City fans being sent to prison for football related violence in the last ten years, and for considerably longer than 2 weeks. Not even counting "the" Rovers match, off the top of my head I can remember reading of City fans being jailed after incidents at West Brom (A), Stoke (H), Sheffield Weds. (A), Hull (A). There may well be others. The most common sentence was 6 months inside although two fans, in seperate incidents, got 2 years. All these incidents, naturally, got wide coverage in the local media.Add Cardiff in the Ldv final v Carlisle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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