budbcfc Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 i'll tell you what robbored you are sometimes a miserable git on the forum and sometimes funny but most of all you write a very good message to all fans .fair play to you and keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fct Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 To reverse the whole thing, if a Welshy or Paddy or Jock said to me you English **** I wouldn't mind at all the "English" as its an accurate description. I might take exception to the ***** the same way I would if they hadn't said "English" (unless they are seven feet tall in which case I'd agree with them wholeheartedly). Its something that has to be experienced at the moment whether the intent and inflection is racist or not. What I mean is the word English itself is not racist, neither is it when used in front of a swear word if spoken in light-hearted banter or a similar way. But certainly it could be if used in a way whereby insult IS intended. Its all down to interpretation. Its no good slamming down the doors of PC on it regardless as this only serves to curtail dialogue and widens rifts between the various communities. The more the disparate ethnic groups talk to each other and maintain contact then the racist barriers slowly erode. Of course you'll never get rid of it entirely, but the steps taken in the last 15 years or so has shown it can be minimsed. Its something that could all too easily be ruined if the PC police and their spies/informants impose ridiculous restrictions on conversation and social contact. Of course there are always those who benefit from isolating the various ethnic groups and they would be rubbing their hands in glee at every silly headline about racism where none actually existed. But the point about Aaron Brown's injury and what was said at the time from the stands doesn't to me sound like it was racist at all. It was a case of someone expressing an opinion that he wasn't a good player. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-large Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 welsh people aren't even a race there the same as english, irish and scottish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fct Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Umm.... try saying that to a Celt, they'll be ENRAGED. Its true that Welsh Scots English and Northern Irish are BRITISH, but each are separate in their ethnic backgrounds. Take for example Spain. They have Basques, Catalans and Castilians in their country, all called Spanish, yet a Basque would be offended if you said they were the same as a Castilian or indeed, a Catalunian. The Welsh are a separate people to the English, its a fact. Wales was separate until 1283 when Edward I marched in, killed a few Welsh and stuck a load of castles up to keep the locals in good behaviour. The ethnic background is entirely different. Welsh people are Celtic in origin. English people are a mixture of Angles, Saxons, Viking and Norman. Of course there has been a lot of intermixing, particularly in south Wales. However Wales is really a different nation (you can see that in the 6 nations or in the world cup qualifiers coming up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I'll shake hands and spend time with anyone, be they Welsh, Jew, Arab, Afro Caribbean, Muslim, Christian or ginger, providing I like them as a person. And what, pray tell, determines if you like someone or not? I assume by this definition that you believe your prejudices are OK but those who base their prejudices on race, nationality or hair colour are unacceptable. It's a funny old world. NB For what it's worth, I don't like City type folk who wear wide pin-striped suits. Is this OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 "I have met black Bristolians who I like" What the hell has this got to do with skin, completely seperate. "And your reference to 'other people's' battles proves my point. Why should someone who lives a few miles the other side of an arbitrary border suddenly become 'other people'? You cannot lump a whole nation together and make lazy generalisations about them. " Is an expression, have you honestly never used it or are you just being pedantic? End of the day I'm sure my welsh and Scots mates will agrea with me %100 on this subject, Using Welsh, Scots, English infront of an insult as acceptable in society and istn't meant as racist. Maybe you PC lefties should go ban some football in a some more playgrounds yeah? OK. Let me put this another way. Somebody breaks into my house and steals my TV. Trashes the place. ####s on the carpet. Kicks my dog. Then he goes. I never see him, just have to replace the TV, clean the carpet and comfort the dog. I'm pretty steamed up, as you can imagine. I know nothing about this guy ... other than the fact that I know he's from Willsbridge. The next day, I meet you down the Gate. Never met you before, you seems like a good guy, you're a City fan, surely we've got something in common. I say, 'good to meet you, where are you from?' You say 'Willsbridge'. And I think ... 'that bloke who broke into my house was from Willsbridge. I hate him. Therefore I'm not even going to make an effort to get to know you. You're from Willsbridge, therefore you must be a thieving, carpet-####ping dog molester'. At which point you're probably thinking 'Why has this guy got it in for me? I've never done anything to hurt him. I didn't break into his house. All I ever did was come from Willsbridge'. And you'd be right to feel aggrieved. I'm sure Chris Roberts has similar feelings when he hears City fans calling him a Welsh ****. Now I'm sure you're an OK bloke. I think I'm OK too. But it would be a real shame if we never got the chance to find out what each other was really like because I assumed that because you were from Willsbridge you were a ****. Or you assumed that because I held a different point of view to you I was a PC leftie who wants to ban football in playgrounds. You know nothing about me, my politics, or my attitude to football in playgrounds. But if you ask me, I might tell you. Why not engage in a dialogue instead of falling back on assumptions and stereotypes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Nibble nibble, I was hoping you'd bit at the leftie comments! But aren't you saying racism is about Stereotyptyping from your very will made (and thought up) point about the geezer from Willsbridge? Racism, to me, is about hate or predudice. I'm sure there are a few who hate the Welsh, but on the hole I think insulting a using someones country before a insult is tradition, it enhances the insult, gives more emphasis to it - But if it was insult wouldn't people just say - "You're welsh Roberts" We have a special relationship on this island, two different people and 3 different countries. At the end of the day we don't discriminate against someone because their welsh or scots, celtic or anglo saxon, a bit of banter is the extreme it goes to. Can't even compare to the tribal violence of Africa, the clashes in the balkans trouble in Indonesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midland red Posted March 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 please STOP you are all driving me MAD!!!! LETS EITHER TALK FOOTBALL OR IF COMMENTS ARE MADE WITH TONGUES FIRMLY PLANTED IN CHEEKS TRY TO SEE THE HUMOUR. YOURS ASYLUM SEEKING MIDLAND RED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 please STOP you are all driving me MAD!!!! OK. Where's everyone sitting on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Whats everyones 5th fav player ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Whats everyones 5th fav player ever? Easy. Matty Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderEagle Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Yeah, I'd go with Matt Hill as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Thats weird...Iwas just thinkin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fct Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 What hand do you pass your ticket with to the turnstile operator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest weqprarebetterthanu Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 All the atrocities started with banter which led to avoidance -discrimination -physical attacks - extermination being the final end product. Racism is not about hatred or dislike it is about one group of people believing themselves inherently to be superior to another . Is racial banter based on ill in informed stereotyping between the home islands harmless , well ask an Irish person what it was like trying to get a job in Englands in the 50s 60s and 70s that was not manual labour based. My site name is of course silly banter but not based on any assumptions of superiority as our clubs and teams at present seem very well matched. But love can be for only one club which outlasts much else and when the first game you see is at LR with Gerry Francis and Stan the MAN Bowles weaving their magic there could be no other ! Never tempeted by the glory hunters of the age Liverpool or as is now Man Utd .One love ,one club one QPR . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 "All the atrocities started with banter which led to avoidance -discrimination -physical attacks - extermination being the final end product." Yeah, the history of the Balkans in a sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malaggro Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 "All the atrocities started with banter which led to avoidance -discrimination -physical attacks - extermination being the final end product." Yeah, the history of the Balkans in a sentence Sounds more like a Rovers boardmeeting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old spot Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 "All the atrocities started with banter which led to avoidance -discrimination -physical attacks - extermination being the final end product." I do believe the original chant came from mistaken identity and, when with a little mischief ,you see where it leads, it's not hard to understand how silly little things can blow up to all sorts of proporttons What a naughty little villain. :Costumed89: :Costumed89: :Costumed89: Pedigree Pigs of BEAUTIFUL GLOUCESTERSHIRE RULE! ALL else are inferior. PINK PIGS STINK... SING YOU ARE PINKY POOFS SING YOU ARE PINKY POOFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bristolbred Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 :Wave: I heared a lot of thing's in the e/e that game, but not bring the dustbin. but you will always get one or a few sad, drunken idividuals spitting venom at certain city players. i didn't think racism was too bad at City, just the occasional remark. But the swearing makes me wonder if i should take my kids to games, especially when they start singing: "My old man, said be a Rover's fan!" "And i said ##** off!, B*******!, you're a ##**!". maybe it's time for the City Board to get the stewards to act accordingly!. :Wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fct Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 That song, sung cheerfully to the tune of My Old Man Said Follow The Band.... has been around for donkeys' years. I recall it being sung when I stood on the East End terraces back in the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ern Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 :Wave: I heared a lot of thing's in the e/e that game, but not bring the dustbin. but you will always get one or a few sad, drunken idividuals spitting venom at certain city players. i didn't think racism was too bad at City, just the occasional remark. But the swearing makes me wonder if i should take my kids to games, especially when they start singing: "My old man, said be a Rover's fan!" "And i said ##** off!, B*******!, you're a ##**!". maybe it's time for the City Board to get the stewards to act accordingly!. :Wave: Cursing has been a fundamental part of most football fan's vocabulary for as long as I can remember(and I've been going down the Gate since about 1960). You can hear as bad ,if not worse, language in any school yard. If you don't like it I suggest you take up going to the theatre. :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 If you don't like it I suggest you take up going to the theatre. You obviously haven't been to the theatre recently. Last play I went to see was called 'Shopping and ##cking'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderEagle Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Swearing is a part of football. like it or not. Mind you, its also a part of the theatre. Face it, its just part of everyday life now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ern Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 You obviously haven't been to the theatre recently. Last play I went to see was called 'Shopping and ##cking'. Great where's it on !!! It probably refers to my wife's habit ie ######ing shopping ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midland red Posted March 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 NOW WE ARE STRETCHING THE POINT, WHO ON EARTH WOULD GO TO THE THEATRE IN PREFERENCE TO FOOTBALL, FOR INSTANCE " THAT"L BE THE DAY ", NOBODY HOW RIDICULOUS CAN YOU GET!!!!!!!!!! YOURS NON THESPIAN MIDLAND RED. :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Great where's it on !!! It's been performed all over the world. Written by somene who went to Bristol Uni too. I wouldn't take your granny though. Or Midland Red http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/features/2160/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malaggro Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 NOW WE ARE STRETCHING THE POINT, WHO ON EARTH WOULD GO TO THE THEATRE IN PREFERENCE TO FOOTBALL, FOR INSTANCE " THAT"L BE THE DAY ", NOBODY HOW RIDICULOUS CAN YOU GET!!!!!!!!!! YOURS NON THESPIAN MIDLAND RED. :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: :Wave: Got a feeling this production is currently having a run at a theatre "On top of the hill" But as you have already stated what devient would forsake City for an evening watching half baked actors pretending to be long dead rock n rollers? The mind boggles.. :Music10: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.