Stephen Lewis Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 J McAllister Actim Index top defender8 PLAYERS IN TOP 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 J McAllister Actim Index top defender8 PLAYERS IN TOP 100Agree with that, he's come into some unfair criticism on here this season. I think he's played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest helenlovescity78 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I think he's been excellent and its ridiculous that any of our players are coming in for stick considering our league position and the fact we have lost just ONCE this season?? Fair play Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 J McAllister Actim Index top defender8 PLAYERS IN TOP 100got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest helenlovescity78 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 http://www.pa-sport.com/en/actim/actim-ind...ampionship.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well to be honest, if someone asked me to name our best player I wouldn't have said him. Shows how much we all know really! Well done Jamie, just quietly and effectively doing your job.And these stats were compiled before last Saturday's game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Stats can mean anything. This thread has been done before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Stats can mean anything. This thread has been done before...Yeah, they are stats saying that he is the 2nd best player in the league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yeah, they are stats saying that he is the 2nd best player in the league this season.And I've been to all the games and can tell he has been our worst defender. Much improved in the last few games though as he finally looks fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 And I've been to all the games and can tell he has been our worst defender. Much improved in the last few games though as he finally looks fit.Well he's the best worst defender ive seen for city. Only game i havent seen this season was Barnsley and in every other games he's looked ok to me. Still, down to personal opinions i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yeah, they are stats saying that he is the 2nd best player in the league this season.And that stats are boll*cks, you think hes done better then Carey, Fontaine and Orr, let alone the rest of the league?Just read a newspaper and look at some of the Premiership stats. :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well he's the best worst defender ive seen for city. Only game i havent seen this season was Barnsley and in every other games he's looked ok to me. Still, down to personal opinions i guess.He got ripped apart by Martin Rowlands on day one- it is hard to remember exact details for all the games but up until the last few games I don't think eh has been as good or as fit as he was last season.As I said before, stats can be used to prove almost anything- 83% of all people know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 And that stats are boll*cks, you think hes done better then Carey, Fontaine and Orr, let alone the rest of the league?Just read a newspaper and look at some of the Premiership stats. :noexpression:Not Carey or Fontaine. Orr and McCallister have been about the same standard IMO, and i think they both have had good a good season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Not Carey or Fontaine. Orr and McCallister have been about the same standard IMO, and i think they both have had good a good season so far.Do you believe these stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Do you believe these stats?In what sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 In what sense?Well do you believe that are accurate and true reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Until someone can explain exactly how that index is calculated I'll carry on believing what I've seen with my own eyes, and that's that Jamie McAllister started very, very poorly looking out of his depth and has only in the last couple of games reached the standard he was at last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 And that stats are boll*cks, you think hes done better then Carey, Fontaine and Orr, let alone the rest of the league?Totally agree!McAllister is 2nd, Carey is 98th????? What a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well do you believe that are accurate and true reflection.Mcallister has been very good this season, so it shows how much some of you know about players roles, responsibilities and positions in the team. Mcallister is a left back and will never get as much recognition as say centre backs. Apart from the one game, he has covered very well whilst also assisting in quite a few of our goals this season. Think some of you should watch the sheff utd game again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Mcallister has been very good this season, so it shows how much some of you know about players roles, responsibilities and positions in the team. Mcallister is a left back and will never get as much recognition as say centre backs. Apart from the one game, he has covered very well whilst also assisting in quite a few of our goals this season. Think some of you should watch the sheff utd game again.I'm not putting McAllister down. Maybe you should go watch ALL our games then come back and tell me he has been our best defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mtg Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Mcallister has been very good this season, so it shows how much some of you know about players roles, responsibilities and positions in the team. Mcallister is a left back and will never get as much recognition as say centre backs. Apart from the one game, he has covered very well whilst also assisting in quite a few of our goals this season. Think some of you should watch the sheff utd game again.I don't think anyone has said that he had a bad game against Sheffield United. I think he started the season poorly but has gotten much better.Also assuming the index uses assists, full backs are much more likely to get higher points than centre backs. Not sure whether he has had many assists as don't have the stats but maybe this could play a factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not putting McAllister down. Maybe you should go watch ALL our games then come back and tell me he has been our best defender.DONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Totally agree!McAllister is 2nd, Carey is 98th????? What a joke!Marvin Elliott isn't even in the top 100!!! Do me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfastcityfan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Isn't it amazing how some good news for a city defender turns into slating for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Isn't it amazing how some good news for a city defender turns into slating for him Always the same on here.Trundle could get a brilliant hat-trick and people would still slate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfastcityfan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Always the same on here.Trundle could get a brilliant hat-trick and people would still slate him.There's no chance of that happening soon..omly joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 There's no chance of that happening soon..omly joking Well not at the moment anyway cos he's out of the team. Cant see him starting at Norwich barrling any injuries. Probably be an unchanged team if Orr is fit. What did he go off with on saturday anyway? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Always the same on here.Trundle could get a brilliant hat-trick and people would still slate him.You know that aint true and no one is slating McAllister.It's just some people are stupid enough to believe these stats rather then their own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 These tables mean absolutely nothing - according to this, James Beattie is the best player in the division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfastcityfan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Why post about them then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingbat Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 What an earth is this index based on? It's obviously not tackling or distance covered during a game, otherwise Marvellous Marv would certainly be up there (certainly in the top 100 anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Because everyone else is taking it so seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 You know that aint true and no one is slating McAllister.It's just some people are stupid enough to believe these stats rather then their own eyes.So i'm stupid then am i? Open your eyes. I havent once said that he is the best defender in the league nor have i said he is our best player of the season so far. I just backed up what the stats said and that's that the STATS think he is the 2nd best player in the Championship this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfastcityfan Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I see stupid people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seend Red Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Marvin Elliott isn't even in the top 100!!! Do me a favour.Enough said!Elliott been heads and shoulders above every other player this season for us and he's not even in the top 100!! Just proves that these kind of stats mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 So i'm stupid then am i? Open your eyes. I havent once said that he is the best defender in the league nor have i said he is our best player of the season so far. I just backed up what the stats said and that's that the STATS think he is the 2nd best player in the Championship this season!If you believe these stats then, yes, to me, you are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 If you believe these stats then, yes, to me, you are stupid.Right, now you show me the exact post in this thread where i have flat out said that them stats are accurate based on performances, then you may get your wish! Until then, don't judge people who you only know by a pen name and their opinions on an internet forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Right, now you show me the exact post in this thread where i have flat out said that them stats are accurate based on performances, then you may get your wish! Until then, don't judge people who you only know by a pen name and their opinions on an internet forum!I never said you did.Re read my post and you'll I said if Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillbilly Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 J McAllister Actim Index top defender8 PLAYERS IN TOP 100Also...Lee Trundle is currently in position 70 ahead of Basso (88) L. Johnson (89) and Carey (98)Only McAllister (2), McIndoe (20), Orr (46) and Fontaine (61) (from BCFC obviously) are ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seend Red Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The toad is getting hot under the collar again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Totally agree!McAllister is 2nd, Carey is 98th????? What a joke!Perhaps Carey was deducted points for grabbing an opponent round the throat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Perhaps Carey was deducted points for grabbing an opponent round the throat?They were done before the game on saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portishead Red Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yeah, they are stats saying that he is the 2nd best player in the league this season.Were you at Coventry away? How did you think he played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Were you at Coventry away? How did you think he played?Yes i was. Are you referring to McCallister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Always the same on here.Trundle could get a brilliant hat-trick and people would still slate him.Especially if he scored one of the goals from a free kick by hitting it under the wall when it was still 0-0! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlozza Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 This link gives some explanation of how the index is calculated http://www.pa-sport.com/en/actim/actim-index-faqs.htmlI am also surprised that Marvin Elliott does not get in the top 100. However you get points deducted for red/yellow cards and shots off target. He probably doesn't get many assists either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Interesting. The only negative actions it lists there are yellow/red cards and missed shots.Some of the biggest problems I felt McAllister had in the first few games was continually getting caught in possession and either giving the ball away or hoofing it, as well as getting turned onto his wrong foot easily by wingers and beaten - none of that looks to be penalised.Elliott has had more shots than pretty much anyone on our team so it's no surprise he's scored low.I honestly can't see the use in lumping all those stats together into one index score. I would think a coach would rather just see the raw data - how many clearances did the player make, how many passes did they complete etc. I guess that's what prozone is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The toad is getting hot under the collar again Yep, again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portishead Red Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yes i was. Are you referring to McCallister?Yeah, Mcalister, how do you think he played? There is no sting in the tail, i just want your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 J McAllister Actim Index top defender8 PLAYERS IN TOP 100I cant believe Basso is not top GK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Yeah, Mcalister, how do you think he played? There is no sting in the tail, i just want your opinion.I thought he had an OK game. Ive seen him play better but he didnt do alot wrong. Wasnt the best player on the pitch but wasnt the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portishead Red Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I thought he had an OK game. Ive seen him play better but he didnt do alot wrong. Wasnt the best player on the pitch but wasnt the worst.Isnt it funny how people see the game so differently.I thought he was dreadful and summed it up when basso went to roll the ball to him and he refused - even though there wasnt a cov player around him!Since then, GJ has stuck with him and he's starting to show us all what a class player he could be at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinker Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 It's interesting. As I live in Canada I can't obviously be at the games except for my 1 or 2 visits a season. Having seen them on TV and read reports I was under the impression that ORR and Carey were both MOM and stood out. Orr has gotten us some nice goals. Seeing Bradley at 46 and Mcallister at 2nd means either what I read has been distorted or the stats are... I failed stats at school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Isnt it funny how people see the game so differently.I thought he was dreadful and summed it up when basso went to roll the ball to him and he refused - even though there wasnt a cov player around him!Since then, GJ has stuck with him and he's starting to show us all what a class player he could be at this level.It is and that's what makes football what it is. Its down to personal opinions at the end of the day. Did you go to Preston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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