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havanatopia

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I thought they didn't play in the Welsh Cup anymore? To be honest I can't see what the FA is saying here- surely if they don't want Cardiff in Europe they shouldn't be allowed in the cup in the first place?

Quite right.

Platini is a king sized idiot in my book after several off the cuff rants at the english game. reminds me of a younger version of that bung man over at FIFA; not the bung bit i hasten to add. But the title must go to the FIFA guy in Trinidad who is the king of the anti english.. Jack 'England is a piece of dirt and I line my pockets' Warner.

The game is run by miscreants.

I think we should pull out of the world cup and the euros and make our own tournament.. all home nations, and any other nation who cares to throw the towel in and make a clean game is welcome. The final will always be played in England because it is the home of football. That way there is no chance of pay offs. I think I am on to something here. :noexpression:

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I thought they didn't play in the Welsh Cup anymore? To be honest I can't see what the FA is saying here- surely if they don't want Cardiff in Europe they shouldn't be allowed in the cup in the first place?

They do, knocked out this year in the semi final by Newport County on penalties.

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The trouble is Platini may have a point; if a club plays in a cup competition then why can't they reap the rewards of winning it? Its like having Israel in the European Championship. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I looked Israel isn't IN Europe. Then look at Berwick Rangers. They play in the Scottish league yet they are an English town.

Precedents have been set so there's no reason to ban Cardiff from representing England in the UEFA cup should they go and win it. As far as I'm concerned if they win the FA Cup then they damned well deserve to!

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Quite right.

Platini is a king sized idiot in my book after several off the cuff rants at the english game. reminds me of a younger version of that bung man over at FIFA; not the bung bit i hasten to add. But the title must go to the FIFA guy in Trinidad who is the king of the anti english.. Jack 'England is a piece of dirt and I line my pockets' Warner.

The game is run by miscreants.

I think we should pull out of the world cup and the euros and make our own tournament.. all home nations, and any other nation who cares to throw the towel in and make a clean game is welcome. The final will always be played in England because it is the home of football. That way there is no chance of pay offs. I think I am on to something here. :noexpression:

Home of football yet France, Italy, Germany and Mexico have all held two world cups whilst we have held one. Says it all really.

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I thought they didn't play in the Welsh Cup anymore? To be honest I can't see what the FA is saying here- surely if they don't want Cardiff in Europe they shouldn't be allowed in the cup in the first place?

To be fair I don't think FA thought it would ever be an issue, the top 4 or 5 teams in Englnd have won the cup for that many years in a row now I expect they thought it was a formality that 1 of them would win it again.

This seasons FA cup has probably caused chaos in FA circles with the teams that are left in it, if Cardiff do get lucky and win it though they should be told to shove it concerning a place in europe. Barnsley verses West brom final hopefully.

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Quite right.

Platini is a king sized idiot in my book after several off the cuff rants at the english game. reminds me of a younger version of that bung man over at FIFA; not the bung bit i hasten to add.

rubbish

platini is the saviour of football in europe

who else has stood up to the greedy evil premier league?

he is a football hero

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Flaxbourton Red

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He is french

We are english

They are welsh

They are lucky to be in our leagues

= Please shut the hell up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7292287.stm

he is the frenchman who asks why can't we have an english manager managing england?

he is the frenchman who asks what's wrong with having english players playing in the english premier league?

He is the frenchman who stops english premier league games being played in timbucktu

yes cardiff are welsh, but why are they playing in the fa cup in the first place?

Platini ensured that those teams that win the FA cup can play in europe, thus taking away power from the big 4 in the premier league

other than platini nobody is speaking up for real fans or the smaller clubs

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havanatopia

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rubbish

platini is the saviour of football in europe

who else has stood up to the greedy evil premier league?

he is a football hero

not sure if you are being sarcastic or not!

anyway.. we might be in the prem next year so where does that leave us in your analogy?

never liked the bloke personally and my feelings have been borne out by his dumb rants. the only exception being I think cardiff should take part. But 'saviour'... avin a larf.. only been in the job 5 minutes. his tea is not cold yet.

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he is the frenchman who asks why can't we have an english manager managing england?

he is the frenchman who asks what's wrong with having english players playing in the english premier league?

He is the frenchman who stops english premier league games being played in timbucktu

yes cardiff are welsh, but why are they playing in the fa cup in the first place?

Platini ensured that those teams that win the FA cup can play in europe, thus taking away power from the big 4 in the premier league

other than platini nobody is speaking up for real fans or the smaller clubs

You may well be right on some of those points... the problem with Platini is this.. he needs some lessons in diplomacy and empathy in order to get his message across.. I guess he's french so we should forgive him right? wrong... he should have all the qualities to take on this job and not alienate certain quarters which he is currently doing... a straw poll of people on this thread would suggest he polarises opinions.. not good for a man in his position.

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You may well be right on some of those points... the problem with Platini is this.. he needs some lessons in diplomacy and empathy in order to get his message across.. I guess he's french so we should forgive him right? wrong... he should have all the qualities to take on this job and not alienate certain quarters which he is currently doing... a straw poll of people on this thread would suggest he polarises opinions.. not good for a man in his position.

diplomacy? non

Platini has got a fight on his hands if he is going to win football back from the rampant commercialism that has infected the game

weasel words and hand wringing is not enough

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taken from David Conn's excellent article in the guardian

Platini on his vales to protect the game

"It comes from my youth, my jeunesse. I am afraid of what has happened to football. We need to come back to the game."

That belief underpinned his decision to write on September 7 to all European Union heads of state, including the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, asking for help to protect football "from the rampant commercialism which assails it". His letter complained that despite nominally recognising sport's "specificity" - its social role - legally the EU treats sport like any business. This summer's EU white paper, which followed an independent review initiated by our own then sports minister, Richard Caborn, was a crushing letdown for those seeking action. Platini described it as "over-cautious" in his letter, but it was seen as a victory for the Premier League, which opposes what it regards as interference.

Platini's letter asked governments to "strengthen the specificity of sport", to "defend the European sporting model based on financial and social solidarity between rich and poor". A fortnight later, with no reply from Downing Street, the Premier League's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, gave an interview to the Financial Times - who else? - scorning Platini's ideas: "They don't rise much above the view of people in the corner of the pub," Scudamore sniffed.

I quoted that to Platini and he responded with laughter and a withering assessment of Scudamore's place in football's firmament: "I prefer to speak as a guy in the pub than the assistant referee Scudamore was." Funnily enough, Platini's football education began in a bar in the mining town of Joeuf run by his father, Aldo, a maths teacher and former player and coach. "You can say that to Scudamore. I prefer to speak with the fans in the pubs.

"He and Dave Richards [the Premier League chairman] have their own philosophy: ultra-liberale, free market. Scudamore's job is to make more business for the club owners. But I saw my father morning and night helping people in the streets to play football, to have a better life. This is my philosophy, and this is not the world of the businessmen, the US businessmen, buying your clubs today. They want to make money. I say, 'Take care'."

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havanatopia

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diplomacy? non

Platini has got a fight on his hands if he is going to win football back from the rampant commercialism that has infected the game

weasel words and hand wringing is not enough

I think IF his intentions are genuine as you seem to buy into [and i am not going to question that here] then i reckon he is on a hiding to nothing. The problem is employment law in the EU... not sure how he proposes to put player limits into place when the EU charter forbids it.

I am a free trader but do NOT buy into all this bollox of political union and giving up all our vetoes and UK rights. However, that is apparently where we are headed and that means less chance of Platini getting his mission accomplished. I suspect IF he wants a battle royale he will have to take it to the European Court.

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I think IF his intentions are genuine as you seem to buy into [and i am not going to question that here] then i reckon he is on a hiding to nothing. The problem is employment law in the EU... not sure how he proposes to put player limits into place when the EU charter forbids it.

I am a free trader but do NOT buy into all this bollox of political union and giving up all our vetoes and UK rights. However, that is apparently where we are headed and that means less chance of Platini getting his mission accomplished. I suspect IF he wants a battle royale he will have to take it to the European Court.

yes platini's power is limited

but he is correct in raising this issue

the FA is fiddling while rome burns, look at the increase in administrations affecting our lower leagues whilst the big 4 launch new TV channels and fall over themselves to be bought up by venture capitalists,

anybody looking forward to £48 a seat at chelsea next season?.

Platini is a welcomed catalyst

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havanatopia

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yes platini's power is limited

but he is correct in raising this issue

the FA is fiddling while rome burns, look at the increase in administrations affecting our lower leagues whilst the big 4 launch new TV channels and fall over themselves to be bought up by venture capitalists,

anybody looking forward to £48 a seat at chelsea next season?.

Platini is a welcomed catalyst

I think that to suggest more clubs are going into admin is somehow related to the power of the big 4 is somewhat disingenuous.

Could one not argue that:-

1. more money at the top means more chance of lower leagues selling on bright young starlets?

2. trickle down money from the top reaching the lower leagues [as it does by the way]

3. more exposure of lower league clubs in TV deals...

which leads me on to perhaps one of the biggest cash drains in recent times and that of the ITV football deal collapse.

Probably another issue is that going into administration is a relatively new phenomenon due to changes in corporate law. It is much easier, and by default, safer to go into admin because you are protected, giving you time to regroup and come back, arguably, stronger and at least fitter. Prior to this you went straight into receivership which so few did because people and fans rallied round to save the club. How many went to the wall prior to the nineties?... aldershot, newport to name a couple. How many have gone into admin in recent times?.. dozens.

Nope.. I think that is one argument regarding rich and poor that is something of a red herring.

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Ah yes, many years before the english FA were prepared to allow our national team to take part in the competition because , as they thought, we were too good for the competition!! I believe we first took part in 1950 when we were knocked out by USA!!

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Precisely

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I think that to suggest more clubs are going into admin is somehow related to the power of the big 4 is somewhat disingenuous.

Could one not argue that:-

1. more money at the top means more chance of lower leagues selling on bright young starlets?

2. trickle down money from the top reaching the lower leagues [as it does by the way]

3. more exposure of lower league clubs in TV deals...

which leads me on to perhaps one of the biggest cash drains in recent times and that of the ITV football deal collapse.

Probably another issue is that going into administration is a relatively new phenomenon due to changes in corporate law. It is much easier, and by default, safer to go into admin because you are protected, giving you time to regroup and come back, arguably, stronger and at least fitter. Prior to this you went straight into receivership which so few did because people and fans rallied round to save the club. How many went to the wall prior to the nineties?... aldershot, newport to name a couple. How many have gone into admin in recent times?.. dozens.

Nope.. I think that is one argument regarding rich and poor that is something of a red herring.

trickle down theory keeps the rich richer and the poor poorer

The FA should have inforced good governence and ensured the revenue from TV was distributed in at fair manner amongst teams, but they didn't, they allowed greed by the big clubs to ruin competition in english football

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