Guest zider_head Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray Sadly the blokes pace and legs seem to have gone, he isnt up to this level, city legend over the year yes but not playing for month this year then being thrown in isnt fair on him and he isnt doing hisself any justice, I sadly hope we don't see Scott start another game this season. Bench at best if needed due to injurys etc. I hope he gets his badges he is working towards and stays with city in some way if not, cheltenham is a few junctions up the road one way and yeovils the other mate, thanks for the memorys. Noble Has the talent, but lacks fitness (when did he last 90 mins ???) like murry, he isnt cut out for championship footie, div one at best and needs to sort his fitness out if he wants to make somthing rather then waste the talent he has got, could do well to learn from Skuse, Elloit and Johnson for fitness and attitude levels. I expect I will get some abuse for this but deep down we all know its sadly true MOD NOTE: NO ALLEGATIONS OF PLAYERS MISBEHAVING OR DRINKING PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Milne Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray Sadly the blokes pace and legs seem to have gone, he isnt up to this level, city legend over the year yes but not playing for month this year then being thrown in isnt fair on him and he isnt doing hisself any justice, I sadly hope we don't see Scott start another game this season. Bench at best if needed due to injurys etc. I hope he gets his badges he is working towards and stays with city in some way if not, cheltenham is a few junctions up the road one way and yeovils the other mate, thanks for the memorys. Noble Has the talent, but lacks fitness (when did he last 90 mins ???) like murry, he isnt cut out for championship footie, div one at best and needs to sort his fitness out if he wants to make somthing rather then waste the talent he has got, could do well to learn from Skuse, Elloit and Johnson for fitness and attitude levels. I expect I will get some abuse for this but deep down we all know its sadly true whilst i agree i wouldn't have them in the team now to say they should never play for the club again is out of order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicksy-BCFC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray Sadly the blokes pace and legs seem to have gone, he isnt up to this level, city legend over the year yes but not playing for month this year then being thrown in isnt fair on him and he isnt doing hisself any justice, I sadly hope we don't see Scott start another game this season. Bench at best if needed due to injurys etc. I hope he gets his badges he is working towards and stays with city in some way if not, cheltenham is a few junctions up the road one way and yeovils the other mate, thanks for the memorys. Noble Has the talent, but lacks fitness (when did he last 90 mins ???) like murry, he isnt cut out for championship footie, div one at best and needs to sort his fitness out if he wants to make somthing rather then waste the talent he has got, could do well to learn from Skuse, Elloit and Johnson for fitness and attitude levels. I expect I will get some abuse for this but deep down we all know its sadly true I don't agree with Murray - I still think he has a role as an impact player in the last 10-15 mins of a game for this season. In regard to Noble - he has talent but no fitness, is a shocking player to have as a link man to the solitary striker and attitude problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray Sadly the blokes pace and legs seem to have gone, he isnt up to this level, city legend over the year yes but not playing for month this year then being thrown in isnt fair on him and he isnt doing hisself any justice, I sadly hope we don't see Scott start another game this season. Bench at best if needed due to injurys etc. I hope he gets his badges he is working towards and stays with city in some way if not, cheltenham is a few junctions up the road one way and yeovils the other mate, thanks for the memorys. Noble Has the talent, but lacks fitness (when did he last 90 mins ???) like murry, he isnt cut out for championship footie, div one at best and needs to sort his fitness out if he wants to make somthing rather then waste the talent he has got, could do well to learn from Skuse, Elloit and Johnson for fitness and attitude levels. I expect I will get some abuse for this but deep down we all know its sadly true Are you posting this to get as many responses as you can by winding people up cos this thread sucks my friend not whats required at all MURRAY is still capable really shouldnt respond this complete S H I T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zider_head Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'm not trying to wind anybody up people But if you attend the games both home and away its obvious Noble is a unfit player whose sadly wasting (wasted) his talent, to add further weight to this can you name any arsenal players who wengers has let go who have done much apart from Bentley ? Murray is still a legend and if you read my post I said he is a bench player at best now when required. I would rather have had Byfield in the squad than him yesterday, the only reason he has started the last 2 games is due to Sproule going through a mare, maybe we should try and sort that first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I predict Noble will be part of a big clear out at the end of the season. My nan has more pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectator Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'm not trying to wind anybody up people But if you attend the games both home and away its obvious Noble is a unfit player whose sadly wasting (wasted) his talent, to add further weight to this can you name any arsenal players who wengers has let go who have done much apart from Bentley ? Murray is still a legend and if you read my post I said he is a bench player at best now when required. I would rather have had Byfield in the squad than him yesterday, the only reason he has started the last 2 games is due to Sproule going through a mare, maybe we should try and sort that first ? Is Noble unfit or just lazy, too laid back, ..........call it what you like ? Last week when he gave the ball away going forward (which was frequently), as Norwich pushed with pace, he could barely break out of walking pace, being overtaken by others frantically racing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicksy-BCFC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Is Noble unfit or just lazy, too laid back, ..........call it what you like ? Last week when he gave the ball away going forward (which was frequently), as Norwich pushed with pace, he could barely break out of walking pace, being overtaken by others frantically racing back. He was never the paciest player last season - he looked a cut above because he does have talent on the ball, and you're average L1 player showed him up to be better with his control etc. Now where he playing vs players of that much better quality, it doesnt stand out as much and his lack of pace is highlighted ever more. I'll be surprised if he is here next season. His attitude is still an issue in regards to him pi$$ ups and that is one area where GJ has a limited tolerance. One of the players used to invite my brother in law into the players bar some saturday nights, since then GJ has regimented a players' family only law. Noble has fallen foul of the partying side of things a couple of times in the past. I think next season we won't see Noble, Murray (playing-wise), Skuse, Byfield. Irrelevant of what league we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASSO Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I think both still have a role at the club. I prefer Noble to Carle at the moment and against Norwich I thought Murray had a decent game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I don't think Murray cuts it at this level so I'm sure he will be gone in the summer. Or will only stay on in a player/coaching role? I thought Noble did OK in the first half actually but again I think he will be gone because Carle is the long term option and I think will be pretty good next season. Shame as he has good ability I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman-is-god Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray Sadly the blokes pace and legs seem to have gone, he isnt up to this level, city legend over the year yes but not playing for month this year then being thrown in isnt fair on him and he isnt doing hisself any justice, I sadly hope we don't see Scott start another game this season. Bench at best if needed due to injurys etc. I hope he gets his badges he is working towards and stays with city in some way if not, cheltenham is a few junctions up the road one way and yeovils the other mate, thanks for the memorys. Noble Has the talent, but lacks fitness (when did he last 90 mins ???) like murry, he isnt cut out for championship footie, div one at best and needs to sort his fitness out if he wants to make somthing rather then waste the talent he has got, could do well to learn from Skuse, Elloit and Johnson for fitness and attitude levels. I expect I will get some abuse for this but deep down we all know its sadly true MOD NOTE: NO ALLEGATIONS OF PLAYERS MISBEHAVING OR DRINKING PLEASE. As much as it pains me to say this, I think i agree. Murray is probably my favourite player i've seen at City, but he just isn't up to it. Noble hasn't got the legs or strength for the side. Depressingly, I think you might be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Agree.......100%.......sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Lets be honest Murray wasnt good enough for us last season hes hardly going to set the world a light in a higher league is he. Started the season well when he was used as an impact man but just aint going to have any/much effect if he starts. I find it strange that GJ has just started playing him after he wasnt even making the bench before hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Lets be honest Murray wasnt good enough for us last season hes hardly going to set the world a light in a higher league is he. Started the season well when he was used as an impact man but just aint going to have any/much effect if he starts. I find it strange that GJ has just started playing him after he wasnt even making the bench before hand. Murray did alright last season and scored some vital goals. In fact, he had a good season until he became injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zider_head Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'm living in the present unlike some on here, scott is a city legend fact but he isnt upto it at this level now div 1 or 2 at best sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Murray will still be at the club even if not in a playing role. Noble has the talent but needs to start taking his fitness much more seriously and also needs a run of games to get on form which we can't afford now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evy11_BCFC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I predict Noble will be part of a big clear out at the end of the season. My nan has more pace. I'm also think that there maybe a big clear out in the summer, whatever division we are in. There are lots of players out of contract and hopefully some will sign new deals but there are many that will probably move on: Basso - Hopefully stay Weale - Depends on whether Basso wants to leave if we don't get promoted. Henderson - Leave Orr - Stay Keogh - Leave Fontaine - Stay Vasko - Leave McAllister - Not sure, getting older and too inconsistent Murray - Hopefully gets a coaching role, but his playing days look limited Russell - Leave Johnson - Hopefully stay Noble - Has talent but lacks fitness and will probably leave Byfield - Leave Showumni - Leave I can see a lot of these players leaving at the end of the season and there are also players like Wilson, Betsy and Trundle who may also depart at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectator Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I think both still have a role at the club. I prefer Noble to Carle at the moment and against Norwich I thought Murray had a decent game. Thought Carle was a breath of fresh air replacing Noble in the Norwich game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Thought Carle was a breath of fresh air replacing Noble in the Norwich game. Carle came on at half time for Johnson. Noble was replaced by Sproule on about 80 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectator Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Carle came on at half time for Johnson. Noble was replaced by Sproule on about 80 minutes. Thanks, replacing should have read:- compared to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Ashton Red Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Both players had a key part to play in our promotion, but have had less impact this season. Does that mean they are not good enough for this level or just not been fit or in Johnson's plans - not sure? Difficult to single out 1 or 2 players from Soton game as all apart from Basso were poor. But generally speaking, Murray lacks pace, which was his trademark, but has experience and looked good against Norwich. Noble has played well a couple of times this season and shown his skill to good effect, but last few games he has played he has given the ball away far too much and done little to suggest he is worth a place in the team. For many players, the end of the season will be a key crunch point, whatever division. There are a good number who have rarely played this season - Weale, Russell, Keogh, Wilson, Myrie-Williams, Skuse, Showumni, Murray and Noble who may well want to consider their options, and others like Byfield and Trundle who may have expected to play more and offer more, who could be on their way, as well as Vasko who we have an option to buy but who has hardly set the world on fire for us. However, that would be one hell of a clear out, particularly considering how well we have actually done this season with them as squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Skuse has a future here. He is a very tidy intelligent player, as he showed last week despite not playing for weeks prior to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Sadly, I agree for the most part Zider Head. Murray's done brilliant for us over the year's and is one of my all time City legends but he's not up to speed to be starting games these days. Noble's game has nothing to do with his fitness IMHO though. He was adding quality to the team at the start of the season but since he's come back for the last two games that quality has been lacking and he looks a liability. Shame because he a class player on his day and can dictate games but he will be bombed out June no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swji Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Safe to say that if we get to the Prem, both will be gone. Funny, my mates' dad is adamant that Noble is Premier League quality and much better than Carle. I don't think either are anything special to be honest. On Scotty, he was great back in the day and is a cult fave down the Gate. But he's getting on now All good thigns come to an end as they say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'm also think that there maybe a big clear out in the summer, whatever division we are in. There are lots of players out of contract and hopefully some will sign new deals but there are many that will probably move on: Basso - Hopefully stay Weale - Depends on whether Basso wants to leave if we don't get promoted. Henderson - Leave Orr - Stay Keogh - Leave Fontaine - Stay Vasko - Leave McAllister - Not sure, getting older and too inconsistent Murray - Hopefully gets a coaching role, but his playing days look limited Russell - Leave Johnson - Hopefully stay Noble - Has talent but lacks fitness and will probably leave Byfield - Leave Showumni - Leave I can see a lot of these players leaving at the end of the season and there are also players like Wilson, Betsy and Trundle who may also depart at the end of the season. Apart from McAllister, who I think will get another year and GJ wanting to keep both Basso and Weale, I'd say you were 100% right, as you say you can also add forgotten man Kevin Betsy to the exit list, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Squirrel Kingdom Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I remember thinking when Scott Murray and Nick Carle were on the pitch v Norwich that we were seeing the end of one era and the beginning of a new one. Having said that, both Murray and Noble can still contribute this season. I'm not 100% sure about 2008/2009 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zider_head Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 My Views Basso - Hopefully stay Weale - Fitness a issue but good cover Henderson - Leave Orr - Stay Keogh - Leave to cheltenham Fontaine - Stay Vasko - Stay on a year deal McAllister - Stay but will be replaced at left back squad player Murray - Hopefully gets a coaching role, but if he wants to play he can get a lift with Keogh and Russell to cheltenham Russell - Leave to cheltenham Johnson - Stay Noble - Has talent but lacks fitness and attitude = leave Byfield - Leave Showumni - Leave Betsy - Leave Myre Williams - unsure Skuse - Stay Plummer - either go on loan or leave Artus - see above Trundle - back to swans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicksy-BCFC Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 My Views Basso - Hopefully stay Weale - Fitness a issue but good cover Henderson - Leave Orr - Stay Keogh - Leave to cheltenham Fontaine - Stay Vasko - Stay on a year deal McAllister - Stay but will be replaced at left back squad player Murray - Hopefully gets a coaching role, but if he wants to play he can get a lift with Keogh and Russell to cheltenham Russell - Leave to cheltenham Johnson - Stay Noble - Has talent but lacks fitness and attitude = leave Byfield - Leave Showumni - Leave Betsy - Leave Myre Williams - unsure Skuse - Stay Plummer - either go on loan or leave Artus - see above Trundle - back to swans ? Hahaha, I've flown across to Chicago sunday for work, thinking I'll be away from it for a few days. First headline I see from the local papers "Weekend actions shame City" - too bloody right. However I think they may not be about us though.... Anyway back to this post - I reckon this is pretty close to being spot on. Points I would make - I thought Betsy had already gone permanently anyway? Myrie-Williams I think will stay but go on another long loan. McAllister will probably stay as there'd be too much upheaval otherwise but I think we can get better now. Fontaine and Carey should be the heart of the back 4 for another season in the CCC (if that's where we are) Controversial but I'd get rid of McCombe - I still do not regard him as a quality CCC defender. This season should have at least raised our profile as a decent club playing decent football (when we don't resort to flipping hoofing it) - we should be able to attract what I would call "quality championship players" Trundle - an enigma. I know a lad from Swansea and he reckons it would be backward looking for them if they took him. He also added (and he may have been winding me up) that they would have gone with Scotland and Robinson up front whether he was there or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hahaha, I've flown across to Chicago sunday for work, thinking I'll be away from it for a few days. First headline I see from the local papers "Weekend actions shame City" - too bloody right. However I think they may not be about us though.... Anyway back to this post - I reckon this is pretty close to being spot on. Points I would make - I thought Betsy had already gone permanently anyway? Myrie-Williams I think will stay but go on another long loan. McAllister will probably stay as there'd be too much upheaval otherwise but I think we can get better now. Fontaine and Carey should be the heart of the back 4 for another season in the CCC (if that's where we are) Controversial but I'd get rid of McCombe - I still do not regard him as a quality CCC defender. This season should have at least raised our profile as a decent club playing decent football (when we don't resort to flipping hoofing it) - we should be able to attract what I would call "quality championship players" Trundle - an enigma. I know a lad from Swansea and he reckons it would be backward looking for them if they took him. He also added (and he may have been winding me up) that they would have gone with Scotland and Robinson up front whether he was there or not. Disagree about McCoombe. Not the best at this level but very capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I'm not trying to wind anybody up people But if you attend the games both home and away its obvious Noble is a unfit player whose sadly wasting (wasted) his talent, to add further weight to this can you name any arsenal players who wengers has let go who have done much apart from Bentley ? Murray is still a legend and if you read my post I said he is a bench player at best now when required. I would rather have had Byfield in the squad than him yesterday, the only reason he has started the last 2 games is due to Sproule going through a mare, maybe we should try and sort that first ? Thiery Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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