QPR Stewards taken away by the police

[phantom]

So who was around the incident that saw a city fan thrown down the stairs (Y3) that saw a steward removed for assaulting a supporter (who broke his collarbone) Then seeing the police remove another steward for fighting with anyone his windmill could reach 

To be fair to qpr stewards they said a third party was involved and they created a negative atmosphere 

[Kingswood Village]

Gees - I wasn't there but this sounds horrendous! Wish the city fan a speedy recovery.

[exAtyeoMax]

I was sat in front by the stairs. Saw the kerfuffle but didn't actually see what happened. Got the impression that someone had been thrown down the stairs by a steward but didn't see what caused it or the incident itself. Hope the chap is ok. 

[View from the Dolman]

Blimey! Sounds a bit concerning but not too surprising.

QPR's stewarding on my past visits has always been unnecessarily heavy handed.

[RedM]

No didn't see anything. We were down the other end if the stand. Stewards did try to get people to move off the stairs etc at the back but seemed to give up after lengthy discussion. The fans were not moving and there was no where to go anyway. I had a rubbish view if I had wanted to sit, which I didn't,  but managed to swop with some of the more boisterous fans who were just glad to be with their mates (the Traffic cone, etc, yes really! ). To be honest I'm glad the stewards did give up moving people into the right seats as it would have caused so much trouble if they had done so. By that I don't mean people being unfairly getting a better seat when they had paid for a restricted view etc. 

[MelksRed]

My best wishes go out to the guy with the broken collar bone......and to think we were moaning about having to undo our jackets in the cold months......what is happening to football?

[exAtyeoMax]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

No didn't see anything. We were down the other end if the stand. Stewards did try to get people to move off the stairs etc at the back but seemed to give up after lengthy discussion. The fans were not moving and there was no where to go anyway. I had a rubbish view if I had wanted to sit, which I didn't,  but managed to swop with some of the more boisterous fans who were just glad to be with their mates (the Traffic cone, etc, yes really! ). To be honest I'm glad the stewards did give up moving people into the right seats as it would have caused so much trouble if they had done so. By that I don't mean people being unfairly getting a better seat when they had paid for a restricted view etc. 

there were two blokes sat on the stairs in front of me (Y3). They weren't doing any harm and didn't get moved.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

 To be honest I'm glad the stewards did give up moving people into the right seats as it would have caused so much trouble if they had done so. 

Not suggesting you're implying otherwise, but it says more about those who have the 'f others I'll do what I want' than it does the Stewards themselves. What's so difficult with taking your seat and not causing stewards to intervene. 

Shame about the heavy handing Phatom describes. There'll be repercussions for that no doubt. 

[RedM]

Oh and u thought the level of police attending the match was well ott. I understand there had been trouble in recent weeks but not sure where from, Loftus road was indeed a library. Not a sound until they scored and then they went back to sleep. Certainly no noisy section 82/ Eastenders singers.I certainly didn't feel threatened or any hostility before or after the match. Mixed together outside and on the tube etc not a hint of any problem from either set of fans

 

[phantom]

1 minute ago, 29AR said:

Shame about the heavy handing Phatom describes. There'll be repercussions for that no doubt. 

Luckily the qpr stewards reported they had the whole incident recorded, I did feel for them as one steward said to me they have a third party help them but often cause problems 

[phantom]

Just back from London, I mentioned to a friend of the guy injured I would post on here in case they wanted witnesses 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, phantom said:

Luckily the qpr stewards reported they had the whole incident recorded, I did feel for them as one steward said to me they have a third party help them but often cause problems 

Hope they've fed that back to the football club so they can review their suppliers!!! 

[cider-manc]

I was in Y2. It was chaos in there at one point as there really didn't seem to be any seats left and people were still streaming in. I felt a bit for the steward next to us as people were having a go at him as they couldn't get to their seats (understandable) but he had nowhere to put them. I felt more though for the chap and his young son who basically had to stand in the entrance. 

As for the fighting, I couldn't see much but I did see one steward lunge several times towards a city fan and other stewards having to restrain him and lead him away. Couldn't see what happened to the fan.

[exAtyeoMax]

4 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

I was in Y2. It was chaos in there at one point as there really didn't seem to be any seats left and people were still streaming in. I felt a bit for the steward next to us as people were having a go at him as they couldn't get to their seats (understandable) but he had nowhere to put them. I felt more though for the chap and his young son who basically had to stand in the entrance. 

As for the fighting, I couldn't see much but I did see one steward lunge several times towards a city fan and other stewards having to restrain him and lead him away. Couldn't see what happened to the fan.

I think they might have come and sat in Y3. People seemed to be moving out of Y2, so I guess that's why the chaps were sat on the stairs in front of me.

[howey_ducky]

What happened to the steward that chucked the city supporter down the stairs?

[RedM]

1 hour ago, 29AR said:

Not suggesting you're implying otherwise, but it says more about those who have the 'f others I'll do what I want' than it does the Stewards themselves. What's so difficult with taking your seat and not causing stewards to intervene. 

Shame about the heavy handing Phatom describes. There'll be repercussions for that no doubt. 

I do agree with you, but I also know that different people want different things from their football match. It's hard enough to all settle down in our own stadium due to the upheaval of the building work and get along, never mind going away. 

You can buy away tickets where, to extremely stereotype, an old bloke from the Williams, a family from the SouthStand, a Dolman 'sitter' and a section 82 singer could all end up in the same row. That's never going to work is it?

with QPR having several price banding it wasn't easy for people to move around and be where they wanted to be, eg noisy singers standing at the back and families at the front sitting. People arrived to find they had tickets for the front row and they wanted to be at the back with their mates, so they did. This of course caused problems, and could have been a lot worse.

The solution I think was make it all unrestricted, you want to choose where you sit/stand then you arrive early and get the choice. Arrive late, you tske your chance. Sitting at front, standing at the back

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, RedM said:

I do agree with you, but I also know that different people want different things from their football match. It's hard enough to all settle down in our own stadium due to the upheaval of the building work and get along, never mind going away. 

You can buy away tickets where, to extremely stereotype, an old bloke from the Williams, a family from the SouthStand, a Dolman 'sitter' and a section 82 singer could all end up in the same row. That's never going to work is it?

with QPR having several price banding it wasn't easy for people to move around and be where they wanted to be, eg noisy singers standing at the back and families at the front sitting. People arrived to find they had tickets for the front row and they wanted to be at the back with their mates, so they did. This of course caused problems, and could have been a lot worse.

The solution I think was make it all unrestricted, you want to choose where you sit/stand then you arrive early and get the choice. Arrive late, you tske your chance. Sitting at front, standing at the back

 

Agree wholeheartedly with the solution! Unfortunately we're a long way away from that, perhaps due in part to the mentality of 'bollox I'll do what I want'. I sit in the Ateyo for precisely the reason that I want to stand and I also want to move away from people who can detract from 'my' experience. Maybe that's your best bet of avoiding long legs behind  

[A Horse With No Name]

7 hours ago, cider-manc said:

I was in Y2. It was chaos in there at one point as there really didn't seem to be any seats left and people were still streaming in. I felt a bit for the steward next to us as people were having a go at him as they couldn't get to their seats (understandable) but he had nowhere to put them. I felt more though for the chap and his young son who basically had to stand in the entrance. 

 

And they say that Hillsborough could never happen again? Lessons obviously have not been learned.

[Reds2016]

There isn't a need for stewards at football games. They are pretty much powerless and cause more nuisance.

Well except for helping lost kids!!

[Wanderingred]

It always kicks off when we visit Loftus Road but never with the QPR fans!

Who can remember our Championship playoff season? Rounded up by the police at White City underground station then escorted at a deliberately slow pace by the OB, ensuring that we would miss the first 20 minutes of kickoff. Then people with tickets in the lower tier being shoved in the upper tier and vice versa. People standing in the aisles with nowhere to go.... Absolute shambles.

Swear I'll never go back to that ground.

[Eddie Hitler]

19 minutes ago, Reds2016 said:

There isn't a need for stewards at football games. They are pretty much powerless and cause more nuisance.

Well except for helping lost kids!!

You must have had a pretty bad experience of stewards!

I used to know the head steward at Plymouth. Very much the Dixon of Dock Green type, vast amount of authority, could spot trouble makers a mile off, and could head off pretty much all the trouble by giving people a stern talking to.  He was in his 60s but was backed up by a lot of muscle if required; which it very rarely was.

I never went myself (I have a better team to watch!) but I know several who do and they all confirm this.

The best way to stop trouble is by not letting it start in the first place.

[citywest30]

I'm one of the ones who would prefer to be able to sit in the seat on my ticket, tho don't mind standing if everyone else is.

My main problem here is the people who just sit where they want and don't care about anybody else. Quite a few have been on this forum saying they do it but would move if asked while others have said they wouldn't move. Either way it is these people causing the problems. At the min, seats are allocated and so that's how it should be. If it was unreserved, then I'd have to follow those rules.

What's more crazy is that it can't be seen by some that the best way to get it more relaxed and go to unreserved would be for there to be no trouble (ie. sitting in the seats you're allocated).

[everreddy]

8 hours ago, RedM said:

I do agree with you, but I also know that different people want different things from their football match. It's hard enough to all settle down in our own stadium due to the upheaval of the building work and get along, never mind going away. 

You can buy away tickets where, to extremely stereotype, an old bloke from the Williams, a family from the SouthStand, a Dolman 'sitter' and a section 82 singer could all end up in the same row. That's never going to work is it?

with QPR having several price banding it wasn't easy for people to move around and be where they wanted to be, eg noisy singers standing at the back and families at the front sitting. People arrived to find they had tickets for the front row and they wanted to be at the back with their mates, so they did. This of course caused problems, and could have been a lot worse.

The solution I think was make it all unrestricted, you want to choose where you sit/stand then you arrive early and get the choice. Arrive late, you tske your chance. Sitting at front, standing at the back

 

It's good to get some rational observations on here, for a change! When you buy a ticket for an away game, it's like choosing from a box of chocolates: you don't know what your gonna get! Not everyone wants to sit next to a foul mouthed jerk or behind one who stands up in front of you all the time. I saw a lot of abuse towards a (black) steward who was trying his best to locate a late arriving fan in his "proper" seat, yesterday. Totally uncalled for. The only solution, as RedM seems to suggest, is to sell "open" tickets that allow visiting fans to arrive in time to choose where they sit.

[spudski]

Saw some really heavy handed stewarding with their own fans below Y6...two dragged out really aggressively through their Disabled section.

Left one poor kid in a wheelchair crying his eyes out. Just no need for it.

I'm all for having fun, and each to their own on how they enjoy a football match, but we really do have some selfish arrogant fans that follow us.

Why blokes in their 40's, would think it's right to stand constantly, pushing and shoving, and just behaving like children, in front of an elderly couple who can't stand for 90mins   is beyond me.

I don't often sit in the away end if I can help it, much prefer it on the sides.

Yesterday proved again why I prefer this.

Many are not interested in watching the game, just mindless drunken singing of nursery rhymes with their mates, more watching the QPR fans and filming them on their phones...just don't get it.

Behave like idiots...you get treated like idiots.

BTW...QPR aren't Cock er neys...just like we aren't Welsh

Also surprised at who I consider some intelligent people, wanting to socialise and hang out with some of these idiots.

[italian dave]

15 minutes ago, everreddy said:

It's good to get some rational observations on here, for a change! When you buy a ticket for an away game, it's like choosing from a box of chocolates: you don't know what your gonna get! Not everyone wants to sit next to a foul mouthed jerk or behind one who stands up in front of you all the time. I saw a lot of abuse towards a (black) steward who was trying his best to locate a late arriving fan in his "proper" seat, yesterday. Totally uncalled for. The only solution, as RedM seems to suggest, is to sell "open" tickets that allow visiting fans to arrive in time to choose where they sit.

Not disagreeing at all, but...

Rightly or wrongly QPR charge different price band for whether you get a restricted view or not. And that's not just restricted as in move your head to look round a pillar. That seemed to be part of the problem yesterday, at least where I sat.

Secondly, when you say "arrive in time to choose..." When we kicked off yesterday I commented on how many empty seats there were all around us, and how was that the case when we'd apparently sold out. The next minute dozens of people were coming in, up from the bar, all trying to find seats together, seats they'd bought etc, and all after the match had started, so pissing off everyone else trying to watch the game. 

So, yes clubs and stewards have to take some responsibility but so do fans.

[phantom]

The Football supporters federation and the Football League's faircop team are interested in this now, I did tell the friends of the guy hurt to look on here so hopefully they will. 

If you know the guy feel free to pm me and I'll give you the relevant contact details 

[phantom]

FSF just sent me this link 

http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/qpr-fans-in-legal-battle-with-own-club-over-stewarding-win-compensation

[BigTone]

I was in Y2 row H which had plenty of empty seats as did row G.

[pommers65]

4 hours ago, italian dave said:

Not disagreeing at all, but...

Rightly or wrongly QPR charge different price band for whether you get a restricted view or not. And that's not just restricted as in move your head to look round a pillar. That seemed to be part of the problem yesterday, at least where I sat.

Secondly, when you say "arrive in time to choose..." When we kicked off yesterday I commented on how many empty seats there were all around us, and how was that the case when we'd apparently sold out. The next minute dozens of people were coming in, up from the bar, all trying to find seats together, seats they'd bought etc, and all after the match had started, so pissing off everyone else trying to watch the game. 

So, yes clubs and stewards have to take some responsibility but so do fans.

game kicked off at 12.30...is it too hard to expect people to be there when a game starts..
same at ashton gate...get in the seat you bought before kick off not 5/10 mins after

[phantom]

Made contact with the chap involved, he''s now been put in touch with relevant authorities