SARJ Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 For those unaware, the Derby fan who posted Twitter abuse about Billy Sharp's son has received a lifetime ban from the club, and rightly so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-41093804 However, this case does raise an interesting scenario: should what you post about your club/potential opponents on the internet deserve to get you banned by the club itself? Obviously the above link is an abhorrent case where the perpetrator was rightly banned IMO, but does this open the floodgates for other cases that are not so severe? I.e. in City's example, a disgruntled City fan savagely mocks Lee Johnson on his own personal Facebook account. This is picked up by the club who decide to ban him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Good! People think they are all too free to be vile, without comeback on social media. Why should anyone be attacked by someone who doesn't know them, on Facebook, Twitter or anywhere else..? It's a form of bullying and I think most people detest bullying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 30, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 People that live their lives on social media will always get hassle Look at Somerset's Pete Trego as an example, he is on twitter all the time, loving the adulation when things are going well and reminding us all how great things are. As soon as it goes bad he is up in arms people are picking holes in his performance BUT, this example went far past any lines of decency, abusing someone about the death of their child has to be one of the lowest things someone can do, as much as many City fans no doubt still detest Billy Sharp I'd like to think none of our supporters were so badly educated that they thought it was acceptable to post anything like that - I can remember at the time seeing many messages of support for Sharp for supporters of all clubs. Getting banned by a club is an interesting one though, I could understand criminal action being taking against the poster, and guess like many football bans one just follows the other - but agree with the OP it does potentially open a can of worms of where does this all stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRERE Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 About time. I saw something the other day (think it was from Korey Smith's partner) that had a picture of racist abuse he had received over social media and it baffles me the way people act. Really think clubs should set an example and show these guys for what they are and deliver the relevant punishment. Majority of people who do this tend to be younger guys who think it means nothing and they can get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Supporters are the same all over the Country and ours are no different . At times they have massively overstepped the mark on Social media and at games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Social media? I suspect it will become a markedly bigger problem across society in the future. This individual was rightly banned but it opens up a can of worms. Criminal action...again, an interesting area. The laws on it generally speaking are not tough enough, not considering the potential for mayhem. Never mind abuse for a second, that's bad enough but mayhem that can be caused via it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 If all the Johnson Out posters were banned, we might have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 30, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, WRERE said: About time. I saw something the other day (think it was from Korey Smith's partner) that had a picture of racist abuse he had received over social media and it baffles me the way people act. Really think clubs should set an example and show these guys for what they are and deliver the relevant punishment. Majority of people who do this tend to be younger guys who think it means nothing and they can get away with it. Why would someone be following a players partner on social media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, phantom said: Why would someone be following a players partner on social media? Because she's fit presumably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, SARJ said: Because she's fit presumably? I can confirm this to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRERE Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, phantom said: Why would someone be following a players partner on social media? It was from that FB group so that should explain it. I tried to find the screenshot I saw but I can't atm. On a side note, she has a much bigger following on social media than Korey does as she runs some sort of fashion blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 31 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: If all the Johnson Out posters were banned, we might have a problem An opinion is very different to abuse/threats etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 If you think abuse and in some cases, threats, is bad, you should look up a whole new phenomenon which is much worse- it may have started in the States. Regardless, it is called "Impersonation Accounts". This is as distinct from an amusing parody account, for example. http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/social-networks/how-report-someone-impersonating-you-on-facebook-or-twitter-3657210/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 And I wonder why I`m not on any of these ridiculous things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 You only have to look at some of the replies to tweets made by the club to know that it really is lowest common denominator stuff. The reactions to results on there make the match threads on here seem like a haven of calm and rational thought by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: An opinion is very different to abuse/threats etc. True, but then the people who made those posters couldn't help but add a bit of abuse after. Why they feel the need I really don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: An opinion is very different to abuse/threats etc. Asking for a man to lose his livelihood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 55 minutes ago, shelts said: Asking for a man to lose his livelihood Assume you are talking about LJ and the calls for his head in Jan-April? Technically yes...but it comes with the territory. We all know this, he would surely get a decent payoff, some other club would probably hire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Assume you are talking about LJ and the calls for his head in Jan-April? Technically yes...but it comes with the territory. We all know this, he would surely get a decent payoff, some other club would probably hire him. I wanted him gone . Posters around Bristol personally attacking the guy . It's not part of the game , we like to think it is as it's easier to pass off. Hiding behind a keyboard while posting vitriol. Today's society for you , cowards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: If you think abuse and in some cases, threats, is bad, you should look up a whole new phenomenon which is much worse- it may have started in the States. Regardless, it is called "Impersonation Accounts". This is as distinct from an amusing parody account, for example. http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/social-networks/how-report-someone-impersonating-you-on-facebook-or-twitter-3657210/ Wasnt it Bill Bailey who only signed up to Twitter because there was someone pretending to be him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, shelts said: I wanted him gone . Posters around Bristol personally attacking the guy . It's not part of the game , we like to think it is as it's easier to pass off. Hiding behind a keyboard while posting vitriol. Today's society for you , cowards I don't agree with personal attacks no. However it's just superseded chanting at a ground in some ways. Depends on the nature of the Tweets too- don't really use Twitter so much myself, but..."You're crap, Johnson out" is one example of a theoretical tweet? Well it's not great but... @JamesBCFC It sounds vaguely familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 8 hours ago, SARJ said: should what you post about your club/potential opponents on the internet deserve to get you banned by the club itself? Yes, SARJ, if it's as bad as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I don't agree with personal attacks no. However it's just superseded chanting at a ground in some ways. Depends on the nature of the Tweets too- don't really use Twitter so much myself, but..."You're crap, Johnson out" is one example of a theoretical tweet? Well it's not great but... @JamesBCFC It sounds vaguely familiar. I get what your saying and yes that don't seem too bad . ' you don't know what your doing' again isn't massively over the top. You've made a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 8 hours ago, phantom said: As soon as it goes bad he is up in arms people are picking holes in his performance He did get abuse telling him he was worthless after a close T20 defeat, though, telling (not advising) him to give up the game when he's one of Somerset's finest pros of the past decade... he may have got upset at other times, too, Phants, I dunno, I don't do twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I don't agree with personal attacks no. However it's just superseded chanting at a ground in some ways. Depends on the nature of the Tweets too- don't really use Twitter so much myself, but..."You're crap, Johnson out" is one example of a theoretical tweet? Well it's not great but... @JamesBCFC It sounds vaguely familiar. Well said mate. Take last season r.e. Johnson. I'm all for voicing your criticism over a manager that wasn't up to scratch. Attack his tactics, choice of substitutions etc, but no need to make it personal with the midget/dwarf stuff. Football fans seem incapable of keeping football and personal criticisms separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 38 minutes ago, SARJ said: Well said mate. Take last season r.e. Johnson. I'm all for voicing your criticism over a manager that wasn't up to scratch. Attack his tactics, choice of substitutions etc, but no need to make it personal with the midget/dwarf stuff. Football fans seem incapable of keeping football and personal criticisms separate. Great post . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 21 hours ago, SARJ said: For those unaware, the Derby fan who posted Twitter abuse about Billy Sharp's son has received a lifetime ban from the club, and rightly so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-41093804 However, this case does raise an interesting scenario: should what you post about your club/potential opponents on the internet deserve to get you banned by the club itself? Obviously the above link is an abhorrent case where the perpetrator was rightly banned IMO, but does this open the floodgates for other cases that are not so severe? I.e. in City's example, a disgruntled City fan savagely mocks Lee Johnson on his own personal Facebook account. This is picked up by the club who decide to ban him. Someone - often on twitter, but not in this instance - made a direct, physical threat of violence to our head coach last season, to his face, witnessed by many bystanders, and he was not banned by the club; or, put it this way, not immediately, as he was still seen every week for another 5 or 6 months around the place. However, it is unlikely the agressor in question will be seen at AG more than once a season from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 20 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: If all the Johnson Out posters were banned, we might have a problem Why? Most of 'em don't attend matches anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 31, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Why? Most of 'em don't attend matches anyway. Just for arguements sake - I'd like to see some kind of proof to his theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 3 hours ago, phantom said: Just for arguements sake - I'd like to see some kind of proof to his theory If you're looking for proof of my ironic sarcasm then you've already seen it. If you're looking for an argument- which sort do you want - 5 minutes or the full half hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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