pnefcok Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 I could understand why he wanted to move on to a bigger club. It felt like he had taken us as far as he could, and his stock had risen significantly after putting us comfortably into the top half with a bottom 3 budget. However it seemed like a strange move at the time given the problems at Sunderland and now with hindsight it's clear that he jumped ship for the wrong opportunity. Had he waited until the first round of sacking he may have got an offer from a big club with slightly better prospects than Sunderland off the pitch. I wonder if the characters at Sunderland were too much for him. It's relativity easy to manage a squad like ours at Preston. All honest, down to earth, hard-working, low-paid, , motivated, British players on the up in their careers. Sunderland clearly have highly paid, big-time wasters and you wonder if Grayson has walked in there and some of the players have thought who the hell is this guy. A shame for him but I'm pretty sure he'll get another Championship job sooner rather than later. He has his faults but he's a decent guy and decent manager at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 @Esmond Million's Bung Don't kid yourself though... Big drop off though it is, over 25k when bottom 2 of Championship, no home win since December. Plus a downward spiral for about 6 years and one win this season? Still bloody decent, still a decent sized club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Roy Keane maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Was mentioned on ssn that he was only given 1.5m to spend this summer... Board has to take some responsibility if that is the case. Bloated squad of high earning over the hill wasters and he wasn't even given the opportunity to replace them. I felt really sorry for the Sunderland fans on Saturday. Not because of the result but because they have lost the will to support. They have absolutely no enjoyment from going to a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 What a mess they seem to be in at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Every club's supporters like to think that their club is special, but when the owners act that way, then problems follow. No club is too big not to go down at this level, unlike the Premier League where money can sometimes buy you out of trouble. The Championship is way more competitive and unforgiving. Sunderland are deep up s*it creek, while Grayson has definitely got pedigree as a manager at this level, including at Preston when he was working with a fairly meagre budget. But to expect him to turn around a club like Sunderland in 15 league matches, when it has been full of overpaid under-performing players for at least a season, and he has been reduced to bringing in players on loan, smacks of a complete lack of understanding from the owners, who have significantly reduced the odds on trips to Rochdale, Scunthorpe & other such salubrious places next season. Any manager they appoint now, will have no confidence that he will make it to the end of the season anyway, so might as well just use it as a payday and cash in on a 3-year contract for 6 months or less actual employment. And Grayson will get another job at this level or League 1 soon enough. And he will probably be successful again, unlike Sunderland who look due a visit to the third tier for only the second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I was talking to some fans at the weekend before our match. They said very strong rumours about him being given just two more matches. Looks like the rumours were right. They thought the owner now would get an ex player in , someone the fans would love but would have little experience, so i told them about Tinnion. They ssid they were in a mess. Owner wants to sell and the Prem is not all its cracked up to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, cityironman said: Will they come knocking on our door for LJ perhaps? That's probably the only chance they have. One of my best friends is a Mackem They are in dire shit. They so must be prepared to go further back to then recover. But do they still have the premier league need. It's great really that on there forum Saturday that some thought they should piss all over us as they have never heard of any of our players!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Leveller said: Roy Keane maybe? It seems they would love him there but it won`t happen if the ROI are going to the World Cup - we`ll know in a week or two about that I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Jacki said: Absolute basket case of a club. Grayson must be wondering why on earth he took that job. Who next for them I wonder? Stage is set for Allardyce. Then Moyes. Then Redknapp. Then a tub of lard. Then some training cones. Then Moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 7 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Except Bolton didn't beat them tonight.... Yeah we've already covered that if you read on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnzFM Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Apparently they pay season tickets off in quarters, loads are cancelling so would be interesting to see what the attendances are 2nd half of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Opportunity for Ryan Giggs to show his management credentials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 hours ago, cheshire_red said: 9 in 6 years I was wondering why he had a wry smile as he left the pitch last night... "thank god for that... We didn't win so I really want to get the boot now and end this misery" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, BarnzFM said: Apparently they pay season tickets off in quarters, loads are cancelling so would be interesting to see what the attendances are 2nd half of the season Don't they count even if they don't turn up? They will probably keep counting the part payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Well considering their finances the highlighted portion is certainly falling back on former glories + 22,000 empty seats tonight. There was never in a million years 27k there Saturday either!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Jacki said: He’d have to be absolutely insane to even think about it.... not gonna happen. I genuinely have no idea who they’ll go for. Pearson? McClaren? Who knows.... a return for Fireman Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @Esmond Million's Bung Don't kid yourself though... Big drop off though it is, over 25k when bottom 2 of Championship, no home win since December. Plus a downward spiral for about 6 years and one win this season? Still bloody decent, still a decent sized club. A decent sized club with a mountain of debt ala Portsmouth and Bolton, managers turning them down right left and centre + all of the stuff you mention, a little honesty needs to be the order of the day at Sunderland, the stature has all but left the stadium of light, 25k per home game will not even pay the interest on their debts, they are in big big trouble. A long since glorious past is not good enough to persuade any self respecting manager about the clubs stature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I wonder if Ryan Giggs and Phil Neville will be as keen to break into management with Sunderland as they were with the Everton job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I think this is a classic case where relegation to League One would actually do them some good. They need to hit rock bottom and completely rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 12 hours ago, pnefcok said: I could understand why he wanted to move on to a bigger club. It felt like he had taken us as far as he could, and his stock had risen significantly after putting us comfortably into the top half with a bottom 3 budget. However it seemed like a strange move at the time given the problems at Sunderland and now with hindsight it's clear that he jumped ship for the wrong opportunity. Had he waited until the first round of sacking he may have got an offer from a big club with slightly better prospects than Sunderland off the pitch. I wonder if the characters at Sunderland were too much for him. It's relativity easy to manage a squad like ours at Preston. All honest, down to earth, hard-working, low-paid, , motivated, British players on the up in their careers. Sunderland clearly have highly paid, big-time wasters and you wonder if Grayson has walked in there and some of the players have thought who the hell is this guy. A shame for him but I'm pretty sure he'll get another Championship job sooner rather than later. He has his faults but he's a decent guy and decent manager at this level. Grayson himself might of thought he'd taken you as far as he could and wanted a fresh challenge, Sunderland need a complete rebuiild from top to bottom and as kid says going down again may be the answer, look at Southampton, Norwich, Leicester and Leeds, all far better clubs now then they were when they went down to league one, Bolton will drop again but the will bounce right back and become more stable as well, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Daryll has experience of taking clubs to new lows. And if respected poster @Kid in the Riot is right and they need to go down another division and then rebuild, who better to relegate them than Mr Clarke. The compensation paid to Rovers could be used to creosote the disabled stand. Everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I think this is a classic case where relegation to League One would actually do them some good. They need to hit rock bottom and completely rebuild. Couldn't agree more, relegation isn't always a bad thing. It will give them a much needed clear out starting from the top. They will attract no doubt, the best players as a league 1 club. As for Grayson, he has achieved promotion at each of his former clubs unless I'm mistaken, he is a proven decent manager. Not sure who fancies taking on that poisoned chalice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Makes you wonder if parachute payments are really the safety net some clubs think they are. Sunderland are in a mess with them, maybe clubs take their eye off the ball and think they just have to slosh some money around and they'll be alright. By the time they realise this and go plan B (after sacking a succession of managers and having to pay their high paid bench warmers whose heart isn't in the club) it's too late as the payments have stopped. I'm glad in that sense Steve Lansdown at least understands money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Peter Reid/Kevin Phillips Joint Favourites. Fireman Sam at 16/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: A decent sized club with a mountain of debt ala Portsmouth and Bolton, managers turning them down right left and centre + all of the stuff you mention, a little honesty needs to be the order of the day at Sunderland, the stature has all but left the stadium of light, 25k per home game will not even pay the interest on their debts, they are in big big trouble. A long since glorious past is not good enough to persuade any self respecting manager about the clubs stature. Think Sunderland are a bit bigger than those 2, should be capable of surviving at this level. However I tend to agree, past glories, down major debt up they are in big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 amazing stat At The Stadium of Light in 2017, Sunderland have been ahead for a combined total of 3 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Think Sunderland are a bit bigger than those 2, should be capable of surviving at this level. However I tend to agree, past glories, down major debt up they are in big trouble. Of course they are bigger but sometimes the old sayings hold true today "the bigger they are" etc and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 hours ago, RedM said: Makes you wonder if parachute payments are really the safety net some clubs think they are. Sunderland are in a mess with them, maybe clubs take their eye off the ball and think they just have to slosh some money around and they'll be alright. By the time they realise this and go plan B (after sacking a succession of managers and having to pay their high paid bench warmers whose heart isn't in the club) it's too late as the payments have stopped. I'm glad in that sense Steve Lansdown at least understands money. If you do some digging you will find Sunderland made some particularly abysmal transfer dealings. Reminds me of that Harry Enfield sketch where 'loadsamoney' says 'proudly' when asked how he comes to be rich and in his faux posh git voice says 'I buy high and sell low' without a hint of understanding it being a contradiction in terms. Sunderland have been culpable of that on a monumental scale. Now they are paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hardly surprising decision. Failing to beat the bottom team at home, conceding 3 but scoring 3, only one win all season, hopeless 2017 form. I was one of those who thought Grayson was mad to go there. Just heard Mickey Gray on talkSport earlier stating how Sunderland don't deserve to be in the bottom 3, i don't agree, you finish where you deserve. And if Sunderland get relegated then it will be deserved, due to poor form and terrible management. I fail to see how the owner wouldn't want to invest, either directly in the team, the stadium, the infrastructure etc as all have a positive knock on effect. Then wonders why no-one wants to buy or he has to sell at a bargain price. Although i feel sorry for the Sunderland fans, i have no sympathy for their plight with such a crap owner in charge. Methinks they are going to have many a dark day and night before any sizeable improvement. Should make us realise how lucky we are and but for the grace of god go we.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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