Antman Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 all 3 signed until June 2020 good/interesting/surprising news assume the players have agreed as i imagine the club cant just exercise its option really without a players consent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bailey Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Antman said: all 3 signed until June 2020 good/interesting/surprising news assume the players have agreed as i imagine the club cant just exercise its option really without a players consent? Antman, you are the first to be duped. These fellas have signed nothing and agreed nothing. This is merely the club activating their (one-sided) option to extend these players contracts. This is often due to them not being able to agree new contracts/terms and tends to be indicative of negotiation inertia. In COD's case, it enables them to add a few million to his value, thinking this will help get them through the January window. It changes nothing. COD will be gone in the summer. I got all excited at 5pm today. What a bloody anti-climax!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 You are correct this is further evidenced by the lack of interviews and new press shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said: Antman, you are the first to be duped. These fellas have signed nothing and agreed nothing. This is merely the club activating their (one-sided) option to extend these players contracts. This is often due to them not being able to agree new contracts/terms and tends to be indicative of negotiation inertia. In COD's case, it enables them to add a few million to his value, thinking this will help get them through the January window. It changes nothing. COD will be gone in the summer. I got all excited at 5pm today. What a bloody anti-climax!!! That’s a very cynical take JB. All three players signed the original contract knowing full well that there a clause enabling the club to extend their contracts if they wanted - and that’s exactly what happened. Having that clause in the contract works both ways - it encourages the player to perform well to earn the extension and it allows the club to off load them once the contract is up if they’ve become surplus to requirements. Plus it ties the player down thereby increasing their value - pertinent in CoD case. Its normal practice with contracts theses days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Domingo Roldan Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 JB isn't being cynical at all - he's just hit the nail square on the head. Club has simply pressed the safety valve with or without consent as per original contract. Guarantees nothing other than a stronger hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanwellRed Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 ....and if the club DIDN't negotiate contracts with clauses like this, and if they DIDN'T activate these clauses, there would be hell to pay on here wouldn't there ? Smart move all round by the club as far as I can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Juan Domingo Roldan said: Guarantees nothing other than a stronger hand. Strange statement - discounting the salient point of the action. As for me I will no longer drive my car as it guarantees nothing than reaching my desired destination. And, I will no longer go to work as it guarantees nothing but my income source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Players were happy to agree the clause when they were offered the thousands of pounds a week contracts. Wouldn’t feel too bad for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Juan Domingo Roldan said: JB isn't being cynical at all - he's just hit the nail square on the head. Club has simply pressed the safety valve with or without consent as per original contract. Guarantees nothing other than a stronger hand. All three players signed their contracts and must have been quite aware of the clauses. The club triggering those clauses is a compliment to the three players. I can’t see what the criticism is all about. Its a prudent move for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: All three players signed their contracts and must have been quite aware of the clauses. The club triggering those clauses is a compliment to the three players. I can’t see what the criticism is all about. Its a prudent move for all concerned. Plus no need for photos or interviews as no negotiating was/is needed. Probably heard the news rumbling about COD and thought now was best to put it in public domain. I remember seeing a lot of interviews with LJ over the years where he mentions we have taken up options to extend contracts that haven’t been publicised until the interview some months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Neo said: Strange statement - discounting the salient point of the action. As for me I will no longer drive my car as it guarantees nothing than reaching my desired destination. And, I will no longer go to work as it guarantees nothing but my income source. We're doomed Captain Mainwaring. Doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Robbored said: All three players signed their contracts and must have been quite aware of the clauses. The club triggering those clauses is a compliment to the three players. I can’t see what the criticism is all about. Its a prudent move for all concerned. It’s not a prudent move for the player at this point in time. It’s likely to increase the fee a club would need to pay to secure their services. Having said that, not all “options” are totally weighted in the club’s favour. The criticism (if that’s the right word) is that in O’Dowda’s case particularly, City want to tie him down, but haven’t been able to. Only right that people question why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: It’s not a prudent move for the player at this point in time. It’s likely to increase the fee a club would need to pay to secure their services. Having said that, not all “options” are totally weighted in the club’s favour. The criticism (if that’s the right word) is that in O’Dowda’s case particularly, City want to tie him down, but haven’t been able to. Only right that people question why that is. He is playing regularly and I believe LJ they all have a role in the first team for the rest of the season. In the summer all bets are off for every player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Who was it on here who said Bailey Wright had fallen out with the club, would never play again and would leave in January? More BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: It’s not a prudent move for the player at this point in time. It’s likely to increase the fee a club would need to pay to secure their services. Having said that, not all “options” are totally weighted in the club’s favour. The criticism (if that’s the right word) is that in O’Dowda’s case particularly, City want to tie him down, but haven’t been able to. Only right that people question why that is. Sport and money, always what it comes to. At least our way of working with options at least gives us more negotiating time. In the NFL COD would be franchise tagged if we were that desperate to keep him and keep negotiating, but that would cost a predetermined amount (usually a lot higher than what you’d be looking to pay) and there’s still no guarantee you don’t lose the player at the end of that year. At least this won’t be costly to the club, and come the summer if he wants out, our hand is still strong from a selling point of view. All good business as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 It literally blows my mind how some people on here can turn any story into a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bailey Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Robbored said: That’s a very cynical take JB. All three players signed the original contract knowing full well that there a clause enabling the club to extend their contracts if they wanted - and that’s exactly what happened. Having that clause in the contract works both ways - it encourages the player to perform well to earn the extension and it allows the club to off load them once the contract is up if they’ve become surplus to requirements. Plus it ties the player down thereby increasing their value - pertinent in CoD case. Its normal practice with contracts theses days Not cynical at all Robbored, just stating facts. The press release bears the images of the three players with their signatures on each. This implies that they have signed/committed. The less informed are under the impression that they have signed new deals. This couldn't be any further from reality. As you say, the inclusion of option years is fairly standard stuff and the club has every right to activate when they cant nail down a new contract , a player wants out or they are a little undecided. You can be sure that these players would not have consented but that's irrelevant. Juan DR is right, all this does is slightly strengthen the clubs hand and delay the inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: It’s not a prudent move for the player at this point in time. It’s likely to increase the fee a club would need to pay to secure their services. Having said that, not all “options” are totally weighted in the club’s favour. The criticism (if that’s the right word) is that in O’Dowda’s case particularly, City want to tie him down, but haven’t been able to. Only right that people question why that is. Of course City wanted to tie CoD down particularly with the rumours about Leeds being interested so the contract clause was triggered - no need to offer him or the other’s new deals yet. Any club would have done the same thing. Saying the club weren’t able to tie him down is incorrect - they simply triggered the extension clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said: Not cynical at all Robbored, just stating facts. The press release bears the images of the three players with their signatures on each. This implies that they have signed/committed. The less informed are under the impression that they have signed new deals. This couldn't be any further from reality. As you say, the inclusion of option years is fairly standard stuff and the club has every right to activate when they cant nail down a new contract , a player wants out or they are a little undecided. You can be sure that these players would not have consented but that's irrelevant. Juan DR is right, all this does is slightly strengthen the clubs hand and delay the inevitable. The players definitely consented because they signed the original deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said: Not cynical at all Robbored, just stating facts. As you say, the inclusion of option years is fairly standard stuff and the club has every right to activate when they cant nail down a new contract , a player wants out or they are a little undecided. You can be sure that these players would not have consented but that's irrelevant. Juan DR is right, all this does is slightly strengthen the clubs hand and delay the inevitable. The fact you omitted to mention is that all three signed their contracts knowing full well what was in it in doing so consented to the extension clause. With City doing well I daresay all three were delighted when they were informed of the contract extension. No need to offer a new deal just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basher Bones Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Surely this is just a matter of sound business management. I suspect the club have a deadline, by which they have to exercise their option to take up the extra year. Regardless of the state of any further contract negotiations, positive or negative, it protects the club and protects the value of the players at this stage, while keeping them at the club and available for longer. Particularly In the case of COD, who has the highest value of these three, it would have been very poor business to have not taken the option up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bailey Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 'all three would have been delighted' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Forget about them resigning, think of it like they were new players arriving. Would you think they could add to the team? I know this is difficult as you aren’t dealing with money as such, but think what we would have to pay if we purchased them now, say from another Championship team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jack Bailey said: 'all three would have been delighted' ? Who are you their agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: It literally blows my mind how some people on here can turn any story into a negative. That's abysmal. Your mind is ****ed. Shocking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 One thing that always amazes me - what is it about football fans' psychology with regards to some players leaving? Fans who'd support City through thick and thin - defend the club against any other fan of any other club in the country. Yet when it comes to ex-players, players leaving, players wanting to leave - the default is to side with the player in 90% of cases. Always this presumption that a good player leaving is the club's fault and then we go on to idolise players who've left, Flint, Freeman, Ayling recently for example, without knowing for sure if they pushed for the move or not. Doesn't matter, they were 'pushed out' by the club somehow or other. Now with COD - the assumption is it's somehow the clubs fault again the player might want out - and when the club protects it's best interest (extending his deal) there is further suspicion, poor old Callum, will be harder for him to move now. What? Bullshit. The player is an asset, this is ultimately a business. We won't progress and make money playing nicey nicey and letting players leave for half their value because they're at the end of their contracts. If he won't sign a new deal fine. If he is worth a big bid, it will come in, he will go. Fine. But in the meantime, we've protected BCFC's interests. How could any City fan question that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said: It literally blows my mind how some people on here can turn any story into a negative. *Figuratively. (Sorry!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Many are implying that because COD hasn't agreed to and/or signed an extension to his contract this is a bad thing and he wants away. If he wants away then he only has to give the club a signed a transfer request and I am sure they will consider reasonable bids, to avoid him leaving for nothing at the end of his contract! When was the last time a player requested a contract, because it's not all about money is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, downendcity said: Many are implying that because COD hasn't agreed to and/or signed an extension to his contract this is a bad thing and he wants away. If he wants away then he only has to give the club a signed a transfer request and I am sure they will consider reasonable bids, to avoid him leaving for nothing at the end of his contract! When was the last time a player requested a contract, because it's not all about money is it? Signed transfer request? That’s a bit 90’s. Players only do that when a club are refusing to accept bids and want to put pressure on a club publicly. It quickly burns bridges and the fans do not like it. You better know you’ve got a bid coming in! The way I see it, the club want him to stay. They’ve offered him a deal. It’s not been signed. The club trigger the extension so we can get a fair price for him, should a bid come in and the player want to leave. We know the club sells players when they get a reasonable bid, we’ve not held players back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Juan Domingo Roldan said: JB isn't being cynical at all - he's just hit the nail square on the head. Club has simply pressed the safety valve with or without consent as per original contract. Guarantees nothing other than a stronger hand. Surely that's a good thing then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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