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Bristol Rovers Dustbin Thread

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Just keep convincing all the deluded fans that everything is all ok up there !

 

Sometimes someone just has to hold their hands up and say, enough is enough . . .

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 Milk

Pound of apples

meat feast pizza

bag of revels

 

"dammit"  I was working off my Sainsburys shopping list instead of the contract!

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 Milk

Pound of apples

meat feast pizza

bag of revels

 

"dammit"  I was working off my Sainsburys shopping list instead of the contract!

Haha when you click on the Sainsburys hyperlink it opens up at their website where they have "great offers" on one side of the web page and "Personal Loans" on the other.......... just right for the boys in blue then :).

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Mr Higgs stated

I have been told Rovers have a excellent case to get Wycombe punished after Rovers were relegated out of the league. Wrong

Rovers have a watertight contract with Sainsburys. Wrong

Today, I have been told Rovers have excellent grounds for an appeal.

I presume he will rack up more legal fees on the basis of third time lucky.

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Mr Higgs stated

I have been told Rovers have a excellent case to get Wycombe punished after Rovers were relegated out of the league. Wrong

Rovers have a watertight contract with Sainsburys. Wrong

Today, I have been told Rovers have excellent grounds for an appeal.

I presume he will rack up more legal fees on the basis of third time lucky.

 

Thank God I haven't got his lawyers :)

 

From Para 24 of the judgement:

 

There is little doubt that the Agreement is tortuously, laboriously and in some respects

badly, drafted. It makes any draftsman itch to have a try at it. However I have to

decide what it means.

Edited by Aizoon

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I just saw Nick Higgs on BBC local news feeling sorry for himself and complaining that Rovers only lost on a techicality. He just doesn't grasp that "technicalities" are the clauses and sub clauses of any contract and are the basis of the agreement. If you don't comply with these "technicalities" then you lose. Simple

It's ironic that they have failed to sell thier stadium on such a technicality when they managed to buy it on one, shafting Bristol RFC in the process. What comes around goes around.

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Thank God I haven't got his lawyers :)

 

From Para 24 of the judgement:

 

There is little doubt that the Agreement is tortuously, laboriously and in some respects

badly, drafted. It makes any draftsman itch to have a try at it. However I have to

decide what it means.

And the fact that it was written in crayon didn't exactly help either.

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My crappy neighbours who claim to be Gasheads,but never actually attend any matches, have just come back from doing their big weekly shop. I doubt if they have heard the news as they had a sea of orange carrier bags!

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Just had a quick trawl through twitterland......what is the link with Noel Edmunds, is he G*s?

 

I've never liked him since Multi Coloured Swap Shop, and maybe it's all becoming very clear now as to why......

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Para 27 of the judgement makes interesting reading:

 

 

"Watertight", eh?

That's what they said about the Titanic.

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Just had a quick trawl through twitterland......what is the link with Noel Edmunds, is he G*s?

 

I've never liked him since Multi Coloured Swap Shop, and maybe it's all becoming very clear now as to why......

 

You're not one of those whose parents banned Tiswas from the house?

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Just had a quick trawl through twitterland......what is the link with Noel Edmunds, is he G*s?

 

I've never liked him since Multi Coloured Swap Shop, and maybe it's all becoming very clear now as to why......

 

He's a friend of Geoff Dunford, and has brought his son along to some games. I think that it's his son who is into the football more than him though.

 

Straws and clutching springs to mind - desperate times!

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Just had a quick trawl through twitterland......what is the link with Noel Edmunds, is he G*s?

 

I've never liked him since Multi Coloured Swap Shop, and maybe it's all becoming very clear now as to why......

Me too,every time I see him he makes me cringe.

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How delicious that whilst the political gerrymandering of BCC (Councilors, Planners and their EHO) would not itself have been sufficient to produce today's outcome, that Rovers' explicit and wholehearted support for Sainbury's S73 application when combined saw fit to provide the perfect storm that ensured the Acceptable Store Planning Permission could not be substantiated.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.....

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I think newer generation of City Fans don't remember how they acted around 1982 and the subsequent years when we were in the same division.  It's been so long since we played them on any sort of competative level now people are going soft. 

 

This was a team who at one point tried to steal AG when we nearly went to the wall. 

 

This is a team who didn't support the WC bid, who's fans actively signed petitions against AV and took great delight over the VG farce.

 

This is a team who still refer to us as the 82ers at any given moment.

 

Don't for one minute think if the boot was on the other foot they wouldn't be enjoying it.  I think the points above prove that.

 

Today they can go get  ****ked as far as I'm concered.

 

Never forget, Never forgive.

Well said mate :clap:

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Personally don't see any appeal happening ,the end is nigh piggs  :clapping:

 

If it doesn't, what sort of financial state will the Gas be in? The more reasonable Gasheads (yes, I know) must realise that it's not about the UWE stadium any more - it's about survival.

 

An appeal would merely ensure that the club went under, which is not to say that Higgs won't pursue it.

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Ah, I'm with you now. I still believe we can sell the Mem, but for less than Sainsbury's were going to pay. The big question is though, who will make up the shortfall? 

This is where I can see the club being an attractive proposition. To buy the club should not costs much. Sell the Mem, put in an extra 10 or 15 million, and you have a stadium fit for the Premier League. Planning permission is already in place. Rovers are in fact, are a much better proposition than a club like Bournemouth.

I'm trying to stay positive.

a deluded blue earlier today..

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

 

A Rovers spokesman:-

 

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.


Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ 
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So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

 

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word. 

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

 

A Rovers spokesman:-

 

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ 

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

 

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

 

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word. 

Ashton Vale...?

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

 

A Rovers spokesman:-

 

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ 

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

 

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

 

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word. 

 

Indeed. It's a mirror image of the way Bristol Rovers FC behaved in its relations with Bristol RFC.

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Indeed. It's a mirror image of the way Bristol Rovers FC behaved in its relations with Bristol RFC.

 

I don't believe in two wrongs = a right. That sounds a bit too much like Netanyahu.

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I don't believe in two wrongs = a right. That sounds a bit too much like Netanyahu.

 

Who said anything about right? It rather undermines the Rovers' claim that they were treated unethically, though. Some might use the word 'karma'.

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

A Rovers spokesman:-

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word.

Pretty sure the court decided Sainsbury's have done nothing wrong?

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Caption Competition?

 

 

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Oh well, now the U.W.E. has gone tits up, we need to find a new venue that we can call "home".

This map looks interesting; I wonder what it is...........hmmmmmm....................... ah, it's titled "Greece".

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God I hope this doesn't go tits up,or this picture will come back and bite me on the arse.

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Who said anything about right? It rather undermines the Rovers' claim that they were treated unethically, though. Some might use the word 'karma'.

 

Same difference. you are suggesting that the episode with Bristol Rugby was a bad episode in the history of Rovers; I know too little about that to comment. What I am saying is i would not take glee for such a 're-balancing of fortunes' . I know many do and that is their opinion and thats perfectly fine .. i am merely pointing out the social issue here.

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

 

A Rovers spokesman:-

 

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ 

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

 

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

 

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word.

Squashed by a ruthless PLC? Sainsburys won fair and square in a court of law on a point of law.

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".....Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club...."

Where are your Post-Nietzschean sensibilities ?

This isn't Big Business Vs Small Guy; this is Beyond Good And Evil and goodness and light triumphed.

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Pretty sure the court decided Sainsbury's have done nothing wrong?

 

Technically yes. In every other sense, whichever way you look at it no.. but it entirely misses the crux of my post which is about big boy crushing the little guy and how, usually, a football fan will abhor that happening. That is ALL i am getting at. 

 

Let me put it another way.. If Rovers had lost a fair fight i would have been broadly neutral and said.. hard luck, better luck next time.. thats just me. 

 

I think why a lot of City fans take glee without considering the wider picture is because of what Aizoon and some others mention ref the Rugby debacle and because Higgs seems to be a bit of a hate figure. That in today's world is fair enough.

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

 

A Rovers spokesman:-

 

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ 

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

 

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

 

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word. 

I do see your point in principle, however you are quoting the BRFC version of events, a position that is constantly being undermined by the facts. It's important to note that Sainsburys deny this and more importantly the Judge does not agree with the Rovers on this.

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Technically yes. In every other sense, whichever way you look at it no.. but it entirely misses the crux of my post which is about big boy crushing the little guy and how, usually, a football fan will abhor that happening. That is ALL i am getting at. 

 

Let me put it another way.. If Rovers had lost a fair fight i would have been broadly neutral and said.. hard luck, better luck next time.. thats just me. 

 

I think why a lot of City fans take glee without considering the wider picture is because of what Aizoon and some others mention ref the Rugby debacle and because Higgs seems to be a bit of a hate figure. That in today's world is fair enough.

 

How do you think they'd react if it was the other way around..

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I find it a bit strange those on this forum who are perfectly happy to slate big business against the little man; the socialist struggle so to speak much of that argument, in principle, being admirable even if the tenet of the politics I might not agree with... ie if Socialism worked it would be perfect so to speak.. Only to then take great glee in such a behemoth crushing the little guy: Sainsbury over a Football Club. Just find that a tad sad and hypocritical.. not saying anyone in particular but there are fans on this forum who might just wish to ponder on that.

A Rovers spokesman:-

"We consider that Sainsbury's acted in bad faith and did their utmost to stall the purchase at every possible juncture. For instance, the Judge found that Sainsbury's could and should have engaged with local councillors and objectors during the planning process and kept the club informed of progress, which they did not do. "

The strongly worded statement went on: "The way in which Sainsbury's has conducted itself, repeatedly pledging its public support to the project (not only to the club but also to local MPs and Councillors) having already privately decided to pull out, encouraged the Club, UWE and both Bristol City and South Gloucestershire Councils to expend significant amounts of time and energy in connection with the plans to build the new stadium and ultimately left the club with no option but to sue Sainsbury's to keep this plan alive.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Breaking-news-Bristol-Rovers-lose-crucial/story-26891154-detail/story.html#ixzz3fmqsg6MJ

Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

So its OK, for some, that a major Bristol public sector employer, Council, and a private business expended millions in man hours and cash only for it to be squashed by a ruthless PLC just so one can gloat.?

Its fine to poke a bit of fun, we all know that, but stop and think for a moment.. this is a bad and a sad day for what is fair and just in every sense of the word.

What about someone stealing a ground and war memorial at that.

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Technically yes. In every other sense, whichever way you look at it no.. but it entirely misses the crux of my post which is about big boy crushing the little guy and how, usually, a football fan will abhor that happening. That is ALL i am getting at.

Let me put it another way.. If Rovers had lost a fair fight i would have been broadly neutral and said.. hard luck, better luck next time.. thats just me.

I think why a lot of City fans take glee without considering the wider picture is because of what Aizoon and some others mention ref the Rugby debacle and because Higgs seems to be a bit of a hate figure. That in today's world is fair enough.

No technically about it, sainsburys won fair and square,

The bone of contention rovers had was about the s.76 that the gas themselves had to agree too before it was submitted,

They are also guilty of trying to change the contract in regards to the cil

No matter how much rovers and Higgs dress it up, sainsburys were not the bad guys if anything it was rovers for trying to hange agreed terms, sainsburys have done nothing wrong and all this bad faith is nothing but bullshit from poor losers

If they appeal they will lose as the judgement isn't floored

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Glad to have opened the topic to discussion... far better for me to have thrown it all wide open to you'alllll...

 

Whooooshhhhhhh. 

 

;)

 

 

 

 

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                                       :fish:

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