Eddie Hitler Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, BS2 Red said: While it’s true that it’s not always a happy family, “LGBT” has been around since at least the 1990s, not 2015. I meant specifically to that organisation's campaigning rather than in general though I accept that I didn't make that sufficiently clear. Extract from their wiki page: Following the passage of equal marriage laws, Stonewall sought a new focus. On 16 February 2015 Stonewall announced their plan to campaign for trans equality in a report generated from consultation with over 700 trans people,[50] despite previously maintaining a "a strict distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said: Wtf is pan-romantic? No wonder the bloke hasn't come out, he probably can't work out what slot he fits in (if you will pardon the inuendo). Sex with woks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 5 hours ago, JBFC II said: Very weird way of looking at things. Personally I think it’s important to have a voice and use our democracy, something that my ancestors have fought and died for Each to their own though I suppose It’s not though, is it..? We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Unlike you , I havnt got any agenda . I couldn’t give a flying **** about Brexit or politics full stop There is one poster on the forum who stands out as having a political agenda and including showing it it on as many threads as possible Football has come on in massive leaps n bounds regarding racism As somebody who’s been in the terraces for 40 odd years football is a relative church now I seriously can’t recall the last time I’ve heard anything mumbled let alone shouted or chanted at football that could be constituted as racist Cold-hard fact: Reported incidents are up by almost half Your opinion: It's just down to more incidents being reported Your opinion: Because @BobBobSuperBob hasn't seen any racism in at Ashton Gate, it must have come on "leaps and bounds". Can you just correct me if any of that's wrong please, and if the last two points are based on anything other than your own anecdotal evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not though, is it..? We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! Ummm. As far as I’m aware Tory members are still the ‘general public’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Fact: Reported incidents are up by almost half Opinion: It's just down to more incidents being reported Opinion: Because @BobBobSuperBob hasn't seen any racism in at Ashton Gate, it must have come on "leaps and bounds". Can you just correct me if any of that's wrong please? That’s it we are al doomed then You think that it’s worse now than the 90s 80s 70s do you ? Do you ? im sure a literate like you will realise that for one they changed what is regarded as a racist incident for recording purposes do you ? Unsurprisingly that effects the figures you rely on so heavily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not though, is it..? We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! Gordon Brown ring any bells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Gordon Brown ring any bells? Well he does look like Quasimodo these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: That’s it we are al doomed then You think that it’s worse now than the 90s 80s 70s do you ? Do you ? im sure a literate like you will realise that for one they changed what is regarded as a racist incident for recording purposes do you ? Unsurprisingly that effects the figures you rely on so heavily So you don’t actually have anything beyond what you’ve seen with your own eyes at Ashton Gate - very convincing. While I write this, ITV London is showing a report with Asian amateur players who say they’ve been targeted more in recent years, and it seems to have coincided with Brexit. Are you saying you’re right and they’re wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not though, is it..? We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! That’s the system we have in place. We could have a Presidential system if you so wished, but that obviously has its flaws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: So you don’t actually have anything beyond what you’ve seen with your own eyes at Ashton Gate - very convincing. While I write this, ITV London is showing a report with Asian amateur players who say they’ve been targeted more in recent years, and it seems to have coincided with Brexit. Are you saying you’re right and they’re wrong? That’s it then , if some Asian amateur players somewhere say they’ve been targeted , it’s all down to Brexit and the country is doomed I do laugh at all you Brexit obsessives Btw - I assume you are well versed to all the figures you seem to rely on so heavily , and their breakdown and the effect for example of social media in the number of ‘incidents’ ? Nahhhhh Thought not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 8 hours ago, RedDave said: It’s not nonsense if it’s relevant. After Brexit racism has been on the rise in this country. That’s an appropriate point to make. It just doesn’t fit your agenda so you don’t like it. Correlation v Causation. Brexit voters were not racist nor did the vote mandate racism. From a full blown Remoaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 @phantom Maybe time for a shunt into off topic; I fear the thread has drifted somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: That’s it then , if some Asian amateur players somewhere say they’ve been targeted , it’s all down to Brexit and the country is doomed I do laugh at all you Brexit obsessives If "my anecdotal evidence is right but anecdotal evidence people who would actually be affected by racism is wrong" is the bar we've dropped to then it's probably time to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, 29AR said: Correlation v Causation. Brexit voters were not racist nor did the vote mandate racism. From a full blown Remoaner. Racism still increased though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, 29AR said: Correlation v Causation. Brexit voters were not racist nor did the vote mandate racism. From a full blown Remoaner. It’s difficult to prove but it does seem logical that since people like Farage and people more extreme than him have become part of the mainstream, it does enable these kind of incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, James54De said: Ummm. As far as I’m aware Tory members are still the ‘general public’ Then you don’t know what you are talking about mate..! So the general public select Bristol City’s match day line up, because LJ is a member of the public...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not though, is it..? We now have a man in charge of our country who not one single member of the general public has voted to be put there. How is that democracy serving the nation well..?! Are the 160k members of the Conservative party not also 'members of the general public'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Gordon Brown ring any bells? Absolutely..! It’s not a new thing that the democratic system in this country is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, JBFC II said: That’s the system we have in place. We could have a Presidential system if you so wished, but that obviously has its flaws I don’t favour any system. It’s all flawed. But for somebody to be in power, who wasn’t voted into power... the system is a joke. I will vote in an election when I’m given a box to tick that selects “none of the above” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Are the 160k members of the Conservative party not also 'members of the general public'? No, they are members of the Conservative party, in this instance. Do you honestly think that Boris, or whoever else was promoted, is a good example of our supposedly democratic system..? The person who is now in charge of our country has not been voted in by IT’S people. Only by HIS people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said: Well he does look like Quasimodo these days. :laugh:! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I don’t favour any system. It’s all flawed. But for somebody to be in power, who wasn’t voted into power... the system is a joke. I will vote in an election when I’m given a box to tick that selects “none of the above” It’s the only way to do it though, the leader of the Conservative party is voted for by the Conversative Party members. The fact that the Conservatives are currently the leading party has absolutely no effect on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, JBFC II said: It’s the only way to do it though, the leader of the Conservative party is voted for by the Conversative Party members. The fact that the Conservatives are currently the leading party has absolutely no effect on that No, I know that... ... but “the people” don’t have the leader that they voted in. That is not democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Seeing as the footballer no longer seems to be coming out, and the current discussions are not really football related, I think it's time to move this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Then you don’t know what you are talking about mate..! So the general public select Bristol City’s match day line up, because LJ is a member of the public...?! The **** you on about you clown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, James54De said: The **** you on about you clown? I was giving an example of how a person/group of people don’t reflect the general public, just because they are a member of the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I was giving an example of how a person/group of people don’t reflect the general public, just because they are a member of the general public. No, you said that they weren’t members of the general public, which they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, James54De said: No, you said that they weren’t members of the general public, which they are. Of course they are members of the general public. But they weren’t given the powers to select the new head of the country, as members of the general public, were they..?! Being a member of the general public, who is allowed to vote on something, is very different to the general public being able to vote on that same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: The whole thing is merely a fabrication by manufacturers of flags and banners so that people have to buy knew ones each year. It isn't one big happy family either; there was considerable opposition when the Chief Exec of Stonewall decided to add the T to LGB in 2015 because T by allowing self-selection of gender was thought to be in conflict with LGB which strongly equates sex with gender and the sometimes violent conflicts continue. Enough of your nonsense There wouldnt be a modern lgbt movement without the T. Google Marsha P Johnson and try again. Lgbt has been a thing for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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